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ASRock website reveals new AMD Athlon Procs and APUs
ASRock once again made a mistake on its website and posted processor names of new unannounced AMD Athlon and APUs. AMD had already announced the Ryzen 3 3200G and the Ryzen 5 3400G. More in inbound.
There will be two new business Pro versions of the first models. In addition, of those four chips you'll spot a new 35 watt TDP version. These models can be recognized by the suffix -GE. In addition to the new apus, there are also three new Athlon processors on the list - the 300GE, 320GE and the Pro 300GE. Presumably, for the 300GE it has four cores and four threads, while the 320GE would then have eight threads. These chips are probably apu's again with the GPU switched off, making them an affordable processor. It is not known when AMD will launch these chips.
| Model | Clock speed | TDP | GPU |
|---|---|---|---|
| Ryzen 3 3200G | 3.6 GHz | 65 watts | Yes |
| Ryzen 5 3400G | 3.7 GHz | 65 watts | Yes |
| Ryzen 3 Pro 3200G | 3.6 GHz | 45-65 watts | Yes |
| Ryzen 5 Pro 3400G | 3.7 GHz | 45-65 watts | Yes |
| Ryzen 3 3200GE | 3.3 GHz | 35 watts | Yes |
| Ryzen 3 Pro 3200GE | 3.3 GHz | 35 watts | Yes |
| Ryzen 5 3400GE | 3.3 GHz | 35 watts | Yes |
| Ryzen 5 Pro 3400GE | 3.3 GHz | 35 watts | Yes |
| Athlon 300GE | 3.4 GHz | 35 watts | No |
| Athlon 320GE | 3.5 GHz | 35 watts | No |
| Athlon Pro 300GE | 3.4 GHz | 35 watts | No |
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#5684120 Posted on: 06/25/2019 07:47 AM
Its a shame it has the same vega igpu. Some navi variant would be amazing in this apu.
Its a shame it has the same vega igpu. Some navi variant would be amazing in this apu.
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#5684125 Posted on: 06/25/2019 08:08 AM
Those Ryzen 3X00G are 12nm. (Ryzen 2X00G were 14nm.)
AMD does not list those GE chips, yet. But from clock to power limit, they look like 12nm too.
Its a shame it has the same vega igpu. Some navi variant would be amazing in this apu.
Those Ryzen 3X00G are 12nm. (Ryzen 2X00G were 14nm.)
AMD does not list those GE chips, yet. But from clock to power limit, they look like 12nm too.
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#5684132 Posted on: 06/25/2019 08:36 AM
It feels kinda misleading that APU parts are a generation behind, but share model number prefix of current gen. They're basically Ryzen 2k series with an iGPU, so slightly higher frequencies, same crappy memory latency. Was really hoping for chiplet design, just shove a vega iGPU on the 2nd chiplet location, and enjoy better memory latency / frequency. massive iGPU performance then since vega is starved for memory bandwidth
It feels kinda misleading that APU parts are a generation behind, but share model number prefix of current gen. They're basically Ryzen 2k series with an iGPU, so slightly higher frequencies, same crappy memory latency. Was really hoping for chiplet design, just shove a vega iGPU on the 2nd chiplet location, and enjoy better memory latency / frequency. massive iGPU performance then since vega is starved for memory bandwidth
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#5684233 Posted on: 06/25/2019 02:28 PM
Wait so these are G and GE models, but they don't have an iGPU? That's confusing.
Wait so these are G and GE models, but they don't have an iGPU? That's confusing.
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#5684238 Posted on: 06/25/2019 02:32 PM
GE = graphics exterminated
GE = graphics exterminated
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#5684249 Posted on: 06/25/2019 03:02 PM
How come you think the Vega graphics are disabled?
How come you think the Vega graphics are disabled?
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#5684250 Posted on: 06/25/2019 03:06 PM
Yeah but they are going APU's after desktop and server chips so we have to wait for them to get off of 12nm CPU/GPU and move to 7nm. AMD's 7nm Zen2 + Navi should make a hell of an APU.
Its a shame it has the same vega igpu. Some navi variant would be amazing in this apu.
Yeah but they are going APU's after desktop and server chips so we have to wait for them to get off of 12nm CPU/GPU and move to 7nm. AMD's 7nm Zen2 + Navi should make a hell of an APU.
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#5684273 Posted on: 06/25/2019 04:21 PM
Under the GPU column in the chart, it says "No" for each of the Athlon products.
It is worth pointing out the 200 series Athlons do have iGPUs.
How come you think the Vega graphics are disabled?
Under the GPU column in the chart, it says "No" for each of the Athlon products.
It is worth pointing out the 200 series Athlons do have iGPUs.
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#5684369 Posted on: 06/25/2019 09:25 PM
Considering Intel is catching up, AMD does need a jump in iGPU performance, the sooner the better. It was the one thing in which AMD used to reign supreme due to their (and ATI's) history in the GPU business that Intel lacked.
Yeah but they are going APU's after desktop and server chips so we have to wait for them to get off of 12nm CPU/GPU and move to 7nm. AMD's 7nm Zen2 + Navi should make a hell of an APU.
Considering Intel is catching up, AMD does need a jump in iGPU performance, the sooner the better. It was the one thing in which AMD used to reign supreme due to their (and ATI's) history in the GPU business that Intel lacked.
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#5684377 Posted on: 06/25/2019 09:59 PM
There's only that much graphical performance one can extract from GPU at given memory bandwidth. Navi may have 10~15% higher potential than Vega due to better compression and other things. Having up to 50% higher performance per watt is nice as lower TDP devices (ultrabooks) may now catch up to desktops.
Bad side of the coin is that Navi has more transistors per building block than Vega.
8CU Navi iGPU is going to be bit smaller and bit faster than 11CU Vega iGPU and may consume less power at same performance.
12CU Navi iGPU is going to be maybe 20% bigger than 11CU Vega iGPU. But it will saturate memory bandwidth and high iGPU clock will not yield desired performance increase.
(If useless higher clock is dropped, it will be very power efficient.)
From my experience with 2400G, it was almost good entry level gaming chip. 12CU Navi will be good entry level gaming chip (with sufficient memory bandwidth).
And that includes notebooks/ultrabooks.
= = = =
Maybe AMD is working on this issue with bandwidth, maybe they are waiting for DDR5 to solve it for them. Maybe they are waiting till they finish chiplet design for GPUs too.
(Would be funny if they made quad channel i/o die for mobile devices with high performance iGPU having 20CUs. But considering that they do not sell that many notebooks...)
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I am afraid AMD has to focus to where they know that money will flow towards them most.
Considering Intel is catching up, AMD does need a jump in iGPU performance, the sooner the better. It was the one thing in which AMD used to reign supreme due to their (and ATI's) history in the GPU business that Intel lacked.
There's only that much graphical performance one can extract from GPU at given memory bandwidth. Navi may have 10~15% higher potential than Vega due to better compression and other things. Having up to 50% higher performance per watt is nice as lower TDP devices (ultrabooks) may now catch up to desktops.
Bad side of the coin is that Navi has more transistors per building block than Vega.
8CU Navi iGPU is going to be bit smaller and bit faster than 11CU Vega iGPU and may consume less power at same performance.
12CU Navi iGPU is going to be maybe 20% bigger than 11CU Vega iGPU. But it will saturate memory bandwidth and high iGPU clock will not yield desired performance increase.
(If useless higher clock is dropped, it will be very power efficient.)
From my experience with 2400G, it was almost good entry level gaming chip. 12CU Navi will be good entry level gaming chip (with sufficient memory bandwidth).
And that includes notebooks/ultrabooks.
= = = =
Maybe AMD is working on this issue with bandwidth, maybe they are waiting for DDR5 to solve it for them. Maybe they are waiting till they finish chiplet design for GPUs too.
(Would be funny if they made quad channel i/o die for mobile devices with high performance iGPU having 20CUs. But considering that they do not sell that many notebooks...)
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I am afraid AMD has to focus to where they know that money will flow towards them most.
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#5684397 Posted on: 06/25/2019 10:56 PM
yeah, i don't see why the Athlon 300 series wouldn't have a GPU. the first gen did. and the second APU gens didn't change in core/shader count (only clock speed), so i don't see why such a radical change would happen to the Athlon series. they need a CPU for as many market segments as they can get into, and cheaper ones won't want to spend extra money on a dGPU for mass-market boxes (Dell/HP/Lenovo/etc)
haha, TIL it nearly does!
2200G/3200G i assume probably does first/second gen without looking
yeah, i don't see why the Athlon 300 series wouldn't have a GPU. the first gen did. and the second APU gens didn't change in core/shader count (only clock speed), so i don't see why such a radical change would happen to the Athlon series. they need a CPU for as many market segments as they can get into, and cheaper ones won't want to spend extra money on a dGPU for mass-market boxes (Dell/HP/Lenovo/etc)
Pretty much will throw all the 2nd hand i7 quad cores over 80 usd under the bus. Give or take.
haha, TIL it nearly does!
2200G/3200G i assume probably does first/second gen without looking
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#5684430 Posted on: 06/26/2019 02:05 AM
Man o Man I never thought I would see Amd come back in such a way and actually give Intel a run for there Money! I will be upgrading soon ( Hopefully) still using an Old Fx-8 core for web-browsing and light gaming ect.... Go Amd!
Man o Man I never thought I would see Amd come back in such a way and actually give Intel a run for there Money! I will be upgrading soon ( Hopefully) still using an Old Fx-8 core for web-browsing and light gaming ect.... Go Amd!
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#5684538 Posted on: 06/26/2019 11:04 AM
Under the GPU column in the chart, it says "No" for each of the Athlon products.
It is worth pointing out the 200 series Athlons do have iGPUs.
Thought G was for graphics and E for energy or efficient
Then again 2700U and 3750H dont follow suit
Under the GPU column in the chart, it says "No" for each of the Athlon products.
It is worth pointing out the 200 series Athlons do have iGPUs.
Thought G was for graphics and E for energy or efficient
Then again 2700U and 3750H dont follow suit
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#5684554 Posted on: 06/26/2019 12:07 PM
Thought G was for graphics and E for energy or efficient
Then again 2700U and 3750H dont follow suit
Thought G was for graphics and E for energy or efficient
Then again 2700U and 3750H dont follow suit
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If the 320 ge etc bring 4 x ryzen 2 cores and 8 threads ... They will be THE killer budget deal !
Pretty much will throw all the 2nd hand i7 quad cores over 80 usd under the bus. Give or take.