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When you dig through driver code for AMD Radeon graphics that ships with Apple's MacOS "Big Sur" developer beta 1,you'll notice an entry called AMD NAVI31 GPU.
Rogame, who started his website Hardware Leaks noticed exactly that. It is the first mention of a chip called like that. Of course there is Navi 21, the RDNA 2 chip which we think could be 'Big Navi', so Navi 31 seems to be a future Navi chip with perhaps RDNA 3 architecture. Radeon Instinct MI100 and MI200 also are listed. AMD's chief technology officer officially mentioned earlier on that MI100 should be released sometime in the second half of this year, MI200 is a mystery though.
Furthermore, it can be seen that support should be provided for Cézanne and Van Gogh chips from AMD. These are APUs , processors with an IGP. Never have we seen Apple make products with AMD CPUs. It's in the code alright.
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#5804326 Posted on: 06/29/2020 05:37 PM
I'm utterly lost with Apple...
Wasn't it a week ago they were talking about dropping Intel and the x86 architecture for in-house ARM processors?
I mean, forgive my ignorance, but wouldn't that effectively kill what little gaming they already had? And even that aside, why are we still hearing about APU's?
Not at all. The ARM-based Macs will still be able to play x86 games (they'll be a lot slower though) and there's all the iOS games.
Also... there's more to a GPU than playing games. Macs are still used for creative and engineering production purposes. They warrant such a GPU/APU.
Edit: I guess I never really considered their Mac pro's--I can't really imagine them throwing an ARM processor in those and still having the gall to charge the price of a car for one--does this point to them using AMD processors for their workstations? Is there finally hope for native AMD Hackintosh's?
Apple isn't using your everyday ARM Cortex chip. They have their own additional instructions. I wouldn't be surprised if the first ARM-based Macs end up being cheaper.
No chance Apple is going with AMD CPUs. So, not only will you not be seeing native AMD hackintoshes, but you're not going to be seeing any more future x86 hackintoshes either.
I'm utterly lost with Apple...
Wasn't it a week ago they were talking about dropping Intel and the x86 architecture for in-house ARM processors?
I mean, forgive my ignorance, but wouldn't that effectively kill what little gaming they already had? And even that aside, why are we still hearing about APU's?
Not at all. The ARM-based Macs will still be able to play x86 games (they'll be a lot slower though) and there's all the iOS games.
Also... there's more to a GPU than playing games. Macs are still used for creative and engineering production purposes. They warrant such a GPU/APU.
Edit: I guess I never really considered their Mac pro's--I can't really imagine them throwing an ARM processor in those and still having the gall to charge the price of a car for one--does this point to them using AMD processors for their workstations? Is there finally hope for native AMD Hackintosh's?
Apple isn't using your everyday ARM Cortex chip. They have their own additional instructions. I wouldn't be surprised if the first ARM-based Macs end up being cheaper.
No chance Apple is going with AMD CPUs. So, not only will you not be seeing native AMD hackintoshes, but you're not going to be seeing any more future x86 hackintoshes either.
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#5804334 Posted on: 06/29/2020 06:00 PM
It's a shame they crippled the thermals on the Intel 10th gen CPU's for their 2020 MacBook Air lineup. I mean who puts a heatsink in a device that barely touches the CPU and a fan that doesn't even blow air over it?
It's a shame they crippled the thermals on the Intel 10th gen CPU's for their 2020 MacBook Air lineup. I mean who puts a heatsink in a device that barely touches the CPU and a fan that doesn't even blow air over it?
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#5804340 Posted on: 06/29/2020 06:11 PM
Apple does.
It's a shame they crippled the thermals on the Intel 10th gen CPU's for their 2020 MacBook Air lineup. I mean who puts a heatsink in a device that barely touches the CPU and a fan that doesn't even blow air over it?
Apple does.
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#5804413 Posted on: 06/30/2020 04:06 AM
I guess I read the article wrong, from the standpoint that this was pointing to APU's in Macs, when it's simply pointing to the same core CPU found in APU's.
I guess I read the article wrong, from the standpoint that this was pointing to APU's in Macs, when it's simply pointing to the same core CPU found in APU's.
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I'm utterly lost with Apple...
Wasn't it a week ago they were talking about dropping Intel and the x86 architecture for in-house ARM processors?
I mean, forgive my ignorance, but wouldn't that effectively kill what little gaming they already had? And even that aside, why are we still hearing about APU's?
Edit: I guess I never really considered their Mac pro's--I can't really imagine them throwing an ARM processor in those and still having the gall to charge the price of a car for one--does this point to them using AMD processors for their workstations? Is there finally hope for native AMD Hackintosh's?