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AMD ZEN3 to get see Series B450 and X470 motherboard support after all

by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 05/19/2020 04:27 PM | source: | 89 comment(s)
AMD ZEN3 to get see Series B450 and X470 motherboard support after all

AMD just issued a press statement where they are explaining that AMD B450 and X470 chipsets could become compatible with the new “Zen 3” era of processors.

As AMD heads into the upcoming “Zen 3” architecture, there are considerable technical challenges that face a CPU socket as long-lived as AMD Socket AM4.  For example, AMD recently announced that they would not support “Zen 3” on AMD 400 Series motherboards due to serious constraints in SPI ROM capacities in most of the AMD 400 Series motherboards. This is not the first time a technical hurdle has come up with Socket AM4 given the longevity of this socket, but it is the first time our enthusiasts have faced such a hurdle. Over the past week, AMD has closely reviewed your feedback on that news: they've watched every video, read every comment, and saw every Tweet.

-- AMD -- We hear that many of you hoped for a longer upgrade path. We hear your hope that AMD B450 and X470 chipsets would carry you into the “Zen 3” era. Our experience has been that large-scale BIOS upgrades can be difficult and confusing especially as processors come on and off the support lists.  As the community of Socket AM4 customers has grown over the past three years, our intention was to take a path forward that provides the safest upgrade experience for the largest number of users.  However, we hear you loud and clear when you tell us you would like to see B450 or X470 boards extended to the next generation “Zen 3” products. As the team weighed your feedback against the technical challenges we face, we decided to change course. As a result, we will enable an upgrade path for B450 and X470 customers that adds support for next-gen AMD Ryzen Processors with the “Zen 3” architecture.  This decision is very fresh, but here is a first look at how the upgrade path is expected to work for customers of these motherboards.

  1. We will develop and enable our motherboard partners with the code to support “Zen 3”-based processors in select beta BIOSes for AMD B450 and X470 motherboards.
  2. These optional BIOS updates will disable support for many existing AMD Ryzen™ Desktop Processor models to make the necessary ROM space available.
  3. The select beta BIOSes will enable a one-way upgrade path for AMD Ryzen Processors with “Zen 3,” coming later this year. Flashing back to an older BIOS version will not be supported.
  4. To reduce the potential for confusion, our intent is to offer BIOS download only to verified customers of 400 Series motherboards who have purchased a new desktop processor with “Zen 3” inside. This will help us ensure that customers have a bootable processor on-hand after the BIOS flash, minimizing the risk a user could get caught in a no-boot situation.
  5. Timing and availability of the BIOS updates will vary and may not immediately coincide with the availability of the first “Zen 3”-based processors.
  6. This is the final pathway AMD can enable for 400 Series motherboards to add new CPU support. CPU releases beyond “Zen 3” will require a newer motherboard.
  7. AMD continues to recommend that customers choose an AMD 500 Series motherboard for the best performance and features with our new CPUs.

There are still many details to iron out, but we’ve already started the necessary planning. As we get closer to the launch of this upgrade path, you should expect another post like this to provide the remaining details and a walkthrough of the specific process. 

 

 







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fekter
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#5790485 Posted on: 05/20/2020 07:06 PM
I know it is.

+1 Uniflash would flash anything to anything as long as the bios chip is supported, atleast, back in the days i done that, hot flash included.

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#5790510 Posted on: 05/20/2020 08:02 PM
I think 'wanted to' is a bit of a mischaracterisation. Delaying B550 was a huge miscalculation which backfired. This all blew up because people had been buying B450 board for past year in lieu of B550. It wasn't some evil scheme to make people buy B450 then B550 again, they just grossly misread how it would be received by the enthusiast community. I totally agree with this. Users got to the point where they couldn't wait any longer and there was no sign at the time on how much more they had to wait so they purchased a B450 Board instead.




If there is no fail-safe method of reverting the board to it's factory BIOS (the one it shipped with), then you break out your BIOS chip programmer tool and clip it onto the chip and update it yourself. There's also reasons these are typically hidden from consumers.
There's always a way. Always. That's typically how they fix boards with a bad flash/bricked.
Never accept that there isn't a way. Not once. Unless there's a flaming lake of hot lava between you and your destination and there's no way around, there's always a way.
EDIT:
Also, AMD right now is trying not to say anything due to not being able to un-say it right now. They have enough issues with that at the moment as everyone knows. They don't want to say something and have all these users say 'but i thought you said I could undo flashing the bios', etc. Another thing that AMD and the motherboard partners are trying to do is limit how many RMA's they get because back when B450 got Zen2 support alot of users had a PC that would no longer boot and they want to avoid that. AMD lost so much money because of RMAs due to the fact they had a BIOS flashing kit where they would send you a compatible CPU for you to flash your BIOS with but some users never returned the CPUs.

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#5790831 Posted on: 05/21/2020 01:44 PM

I did have some concerns switching to AMD though, the 4970K I have does quite well in Audio Applications, DAW's and such, AMD has been plagued by latency issues with their first 2 generation of Ryzen CPU's, that seems no longer to be an issue with the 3000 series and probably neither with the upcoming Zen3 processors.
I have zero latency issues here, since release day on Zen 2 3700x / Asrock Phantom Gaming 4 x570 board / Windows 10 Pro x64 for what it's worth, for folks considering getting a 3xxx series and a cheapo Asrock motherboard, using stock settings + XMP RAM settings (3000mhz). Nvidia studio / game ready drivers installed (tried both).
Yes, this was a concern (is on any of my systems), have been working with audio since the mid to late 90's on PC's over here (nothing too fancy, but latency kills).

Mpampis
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#5790961 Posted on: 05/21/2020 06:45 PM
its really not.


Care to elaborate?

Celcius
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#5790988 Posted on: 05/21/2020 08:03 PM
Something nearly lost in this discussion is what I personally consider to be the silver-lining to this melodrama. And that would be the apparently necessary demise of the UEFI graphical interface, also known as the "interface for millennials." If not demise, then maybe dialing back from it's current "11" down to about "2" or so. Ditching the graphics completely would probably allow for the entirety of Tolstoy's "War and Peace" to be included within the remaining addressable space. In nine languages.

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