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AMD Zen Enterprise Roadmap Shows 48-core CPUs in 2018
I'm not even sure where and how to begin with this information. But a slide-deck roadmap has leaked onto the web through the usual channels. The information in the slide-show reveals is rather gigantic.
The information based on the data-center thus enterprise segment, and is mentioning 14nm Naples With 32 Cores in 2017, a 7nm 48 Cores proc in 2018 – Zen 1 and Zen 2 Based Horned Own, Grey Hawk, Banded Kestrel and River Hawk CPUs. The AMD internal roadmap leaked reveals pretty much any AMD CPU that is available and will be available in the upcoming year or two.
The slides apparently dates back to February and includes proc overviews starting at 2016 running up-to 2018. For this timeframe obviously Naples With 32 Cores is up and coming for the enterprise market, but also 3 CPUs code-named A1100 ARM using ARM Cortex-A57 cores. Then there's Merlin Falcon using Excavator cores and a second Excavator based product called the Brown Falcon CPU.
| Enterprise Proc | AMD Snowy Owl | AMD Naples | AMD Starship |
|---|---|---|---|
| CPU Architecture | Zen 1 | Zen 1 | Zen 2 |
| Process Node | 14nm FinFET | 14nm FinFET | 7nm FinFET |
| Maximum Cores | 16 Cores | 32 Cores | 48 Cores |
| Maximum Threads | 32 Threads | 64 Threads | 96 Threads |
| Availability | Q2 2017 | Q2 2017 | 2018 |
Where your eyes will pop out though is slide 1, check the year 2018, where AMD has planned a 48 core server processor (that would be 96 threads) based on Zen 2 Cores. That product has code-name Starship, and would be based on 7nm Finfet. I do doubt that 7nm will be ready in 2018 though, especially with a product die this ginormous. TDPs would run anywhere from 30W up to 185W. Below the leaked slides, courtesy of Videocardz.
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#5430974 Posted on: 05/12/2017 01:04 PM
7nm for next year? I'll hold on my upgrade then!
Oh boy, can't wait!
None of us know, how well will 7nm Chips clock. They may end up to be as strong in performance per thread even at lower clock. And have lower power consumption. But in total, they may not be upgrade in performance.
I am still waiting for properly working 3200MHz memories. And so, if current Ryzen takes too long, I may wait for next iteration. But 7nm is of no importance to me.
7nm for next year? I'll hold on my upgrade then!
Oh boy, can't wait!
None of us know, how well will 7nm Chips clock. They may end up to be as strong in performance per thread even at lower clock. And have lower power consumption. But in total, they may not be upgrade in performance.
I am still waiting for properly working 3200MHz memories. And so, if current Ryzen takes too long, I may wait for next iteration. But 7nm is of no importance to me.
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#5430978 Posted on: 05/12/2017 01:13 PM
None of us know, how well will 7nm Chips clock. They may end up to be as strong in performance per thread even at lower clock. And have lower power consumption. But in total, they may not be upgrade in performance.
I am still waiting for properly working 3200MHz memories. And so, if current Ryzen takes too long, I may wait for next iteration. But 7nm is of no importance to me.
If you have agood look thru the slides, it seems like the 7nm change is mostly for TDP purposes.
Current Zen won't drop below 15W TDP.
7nm is to drop to 4W.
I think i saw APU's drop to 35W max (4c/8t), instead of 65W for current 14nm.
looks good for future mobile chips.
None of us know, how well will 7nm Chips clock. They may end up to be as strong in performance per thread even at lower clock. And have lower power consumption. But in total, they may not be upgrade in performance.
I am still waiting for properly working 3200MHz memories. And so, if current Ryzen takes too long, I may wait for next iteration. But 7nm is of no importance to me.
If you have agood look thru the slides, it seems like the 7nm change is mostly for TDP purposes.
Current Zen won't drop below 15W TDP.
7nm is to drop to 4W.
I think i saw APU's drop to 35W max (4c/8t), instead of 65W for current 14nm.
looks good for future mobile chips.
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#5430994 Posted on: 05/12/2017 01:55 PM
Starship cpu at 48 cores amazing, I got 4 cores and does me fine this has to be for servers business centres, Hate to think how much these are gonna cost, I always space my systems out to 5 years then I upgrade at a reasonable price.
No game needs 48 cpu's or 96 at two way maybe bitcoin mining or very complicated algorhytms and stuff.
Starship cpu at 48 cores amazing, I got 4 cores and does me fine this has to be for servers business centres, Hate to think how much these are gonna cost, I always space my systems out to 5 years then I upgrade at a reasonable price.
No game needs 48 cpu's or 96 at two way maybe bitcoin mining or very complicated algorhytms and stuff.
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#5431003 Posted on: 05/12/2017 02:17 PM
Isn´t this chip for servers where the software is already multi threaded and can use all the cores throw at them???
Because for normal users a 48 core cpu is a gigantic waste.
Currently, yes it is a gigantic waste. But only, ONLY because software does not use multi-threads the way it should.
As to a 48 core being for server chips, as i read it, yes, but the fact of the matter is AMD HEDT system is almost guaranteed to be cheaper then Intels 8-core CPUs (at least the 12-core will be) and whose to say what will happen in 2018-2019. If Intel kicks theirselves into gear and decides to lower the cost and increase the core count of their CPUs due to AMD, we all win, and software makers won't feel multi-core optimizations are lost of the majority.
Isn´t this chip for servers where the software is already multi threaded and can use all the cores throw at them???
Because for normal users a 48 core cpu is a gigantic waste.
Currently, yes it is a gigantic waste. But only, ONLY because software does not use multi-threads the way it should.
As to a 48 core being for server chips, as i read it, yes, but the fact of the matter is AMD HEDT system is almost guaranteed to be cheaper then Intels 8-core CPUs (at least the 12-core will be) and whose to say what will happen in 2018-2019. If Intel kicks theirselves into gear and decides to lower the cost and increase the core count of their CPUs due to AMD, we all win, and software makers won't feel multi-core optimizations are lost of the majority.
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7nm for next year? I'll hold on my upgrade then!
Oh boy, can't wait!