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Guru3D.com » News » AMD Zen Can Have 32 Cores per Socket

AMD Zen Can Have 32 Cores per Socket

by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 02/03/2016 09:45 AM | source: | 50 comment(s)
AMD Zen Can Have 32 Cores per Socket

Can have .. I wrote 'can have' .. Anyway a leaked Linux patch on LKML.org, first spotted by The New Citavia Blog, suggests that AMD Zen based processors will feature up to 32 physical cores. The patch also hints at the similarity of parts of the “Zen” and “Zeppelin” codenames.

Techfrag reports that a leaked Linux patch on LKML.org, first spotted by The New Citavia Blog, suggests that AMD Zen based processors will feature up to 32 physical cores. The patch also hints at the similarity of parts of the “Zen” and “Zeppelin” codenames.

The Zeppelin codename was first mentioned back in August last year, and parts of the patch identify it as a “family 17h model 00h” CPU:

AMD Zeppelin (Family 17h, Model 00h) introduces an instructionsretired performance counter which indicated byCPUID.8000_0008H:EBX[1]. And dedicated Instructions Retired register(MSR 0xC000_000E9) increments on once for every instruction retired.

There’s also an older patch from November last year, on the same mailing list, which reveals a little more info about the upcoming Zen architecture. However, the most important part is the code which describes how the last level cache (LLC) ID is being calculated for Zen based MPUs:

+ core_complex_id = (apicid & ((1 << c->x86_coreid_bits) - 1)) >> 3;
+ per_cpu(cpu_llc_id, cpu) = (socket_id << 3) | core_complex_id;

The above code mentions "core complex," which accoding to Dresdenboy refers to "compute unit" and has already been used in some AMD patents. Dresdenboy explains the above code as follows:

The expression marked in red means a shift right by 3, which equals a division by 8. So with two logical cores per physical core due to SMT, a core complex should contain four Zen cores and a shared LLC.

The next line shows the socket ID being shifted left by 3, leaving 3 bits for the core complex ID, which suggests a maximum number of eight core complexes per socket, or 32 physical cores. This number should first be seen as a placeholder, but we've already seen rumours mentioning that many cores.

Built on a 14 nanometer architecture, Zen architecture features a unified AM4 socket with its GPU-equipped APU counterparts, as well as includes support for DDR4 memory. If a previous report is to be believed, it will bring greater than 40% IPC increase over their current generation.

The first Zen based chips are scheduled to arrive at the end of this year, with APUs arriving sometime in 2017







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Barry J
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#5227286 Posted on: 02/03/2016 09:52 AM
Will be nice AMD really need a big win against Intel ........... Let's hope 32 zen cores have really good performance and not just lots of cores

sverek
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#5227287 Posted on: 02/03/2016 09:55 AM
I know more cores are fun and all, but even in 2016 PC consumers still prefer higher performance per core, rather than core count. (Thank you lazy developers)
The core count worries me a bit, but I hope it's only for future extensions.

If performance per core won't come up close to Skylake, we facing yet another Bulldozer.

Fox2232
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#5227302 Posted on: 02/03/2016 10:39 AM
We'll get 4 and 8 cores for desktops. Servers are ones getting more cores while running lower voltage & clock to have greater power efficiency.

With 1st DX12 test I did realize that 8-core CPU will optimal as one needs some threads for game itself. With Vukan it will matter little if CPU has 4 or 8 cores as that drastically reduces need for CPU power.
I know more cores are fun and all, but even in 2016 PC consumers still prefer higher performance per core, rather than core count. (Thank you lazy developers)
The core count worries me a bit, but I hope it's only for future extensions.

If performance per core won't come up close to Skylake, we facing yet another Bulldozer.
And you mistake apple for potato. Total performance of 8 core Bulldozer was around total performance of 4 Core i5.
That was 1/2 IPC on AMD side and no performance bonus in total.

Now, you will see performance equivalent to 80~90% of intel's chips per core while having 8 cores / 16 threads.
So even if AMD may lag behind in single threaded performance, they'll get total CPU performance win.

That's why I expect 6-core i5 soon.

Toss3
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#5227304 Posted on: 02/03/2016 10:46 AM
We'll get 4 and 8 cores for desktops. Servers are ones getting more cores while running lower voltage & clock to have greater power efficiency.

With 1st DX12 test I did realize that 8-core CPU will optimal as one needs some threads for game itself. With Vukan it will matter little if CPU has 4 or 8 cores as that drastically reduces need for CPU power.

Was just going to post this! :nerd: Just because some version are going to have 32 cores doesn't mean every chip will have that many! Pretty sure AMD are just planning for the future.

TheDeeGee
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#5227311 Posted on: 02/03/2016 11:13 AM
Shame PC i plagued with Console Ports that only support 1 or 2 cores.

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