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AMD ZEN 8-core Summit Ridge To launch January 17th 2017
You should mark that date in your agenda, 17-1-2017 as there now is a very strong indication that the 8-core ZEN processors from AMD is to be launched or available on that date. An AMD China partner called Maxsun shared some detail on the launch., which found its way onto the web.
Before we begin, as always rumors are just that ... rumors and we certainly can't verify this information. However, the indication and partner seems valid. That would mean availability of AMD Zen on January the 17th, which matches up with a CES 2017 announcement (5th of January through the 8th)
Yesterday we already mentioned an indication for Summit Ridge processors (the 8-core ZEN part) pricing, MAXSUN here as well confirms that pricing scheme. The companies SR7 processors (high-end SKUs) in the Zen line-up would sit in the 1500-2000 Yuan segment, and that is $200-$300.
MAXSUN also kind of confirmed the clock frequency range for AMD's next processors as they are quoting 3.15-3.30 GHz base clocks with 3.5 GHz boost clocks (similar to Intel's most high-end 8 and 10-core SKUs). On top of that they claim the processors can be clocked to 4.2 GHz fairly easily with conventional cooling and up to 5 GHz with LN2. In the posted screenshots they mention that the top-end SKU can compete with the Intel 6850K
Let me end where I began, as always rumors are just that ... rumors. But this one does seem valid. Let's hope that the hype is real.
The initial “Zen” CPU core will come to market first in an 8-core, 16-thread system-on-chip for desktops (=Summit Ridge). The "Summit Ridge" Zen family will feature a unified AM4 socket with its GPU-equipped "Bristol Ridge" APU counterparts, and feature DDR4 support and a an expected 95W TDP. We expect each Zen core will have four integer units, two address generation units and four floating point units, and the decoder can decode four instructions per clock cycle. L1 data cache size is 32 KiB and L2 cache size 512 KiB per core. 2 CCUs = 2x8MB (L3) + 8x512KB (L2) = 20MB
In a recent presenation AMD shows Summit Ridge to be faster compared to an octacore-Broadwell-E at the same clock frequency.
AMD Zen to get three perf tiers and sits at the €200 marker - 11/17/2016 02:05 PM
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In the Ashes of the Singularity-benchmark database a couple of product codes appeared with corresponding benchmark results. They appear to be ZEN engineering samples that can be recognized by their O...
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#5360451 Posted on: 11/18/2016 10:15 PM
Your second post in the space of ten years, and this is what you decided to come out with?
why bother you know its going to to be crap cpu
Your second post in the space of ten years, and this is what you decided to come out with?
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#5360458 Posted on: 11/18/2016 10:40 PM
I'm very excited about the ZEN CPU launch and I hope to God that AMD gets it out of the park!
I'm currently on a i7-4790K that I bought second hand for a fair price and it's one hell of a CPU but deep down I'm hoping AMD makes a fair comeback because we desperately need a new player to even things out... Sick of Intel and their pocket filling prices
Go AMD!
I'm very excited about the ZEN CPU launch and I hope to God that AMD gets it out of the park!
I'm currently on a i7-4790K that I bought second hand for a fair price and it's one hell of a CPU but deep down I'm hoping AMD makes a fair comeback because we desperately need a new player to even things out... Sick of Intel and their pocket filling prices
Go AMD!
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#5360459 Posted on: 11/18/2016 10:42 PM
Luanch means nothing to me its speed vs intel offering is only thing that matters it need to match intels offering speed/performance wise while costing less to have any meaning full impact.
Luanch means nothing to me its speed vs intel offering is only thing that matters it need to match intels offering speed/performance wise while costing less to have any meaning full impact.
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#5360460 Posted on: 11/18/2016 10:49 PM
Not necessarily. When turbo speeds and overclocks are involved, that becomes a real gray area. What matters most is instructions-per-clock, instructions-per-core, performance-per-watt, and performance-per-dollar. We already have a rough idea how high they can clock and the amount of threads they offer so what I mentioned is all that's left that we really need to know.
I will not be surprised if the overall performance is worse to an Intel equivalent, however, that doesn't mean it is a worse product.
Luanch means nothing to me its speed vs intel offering is only thing that matters it need to match intels offering speed wise while being costing less to have any meaning full impact
Not necessarily. When turbo speeds and overclocks are involved, that becomes a real gray area. What matters most is instructions-per-clock, instructions-per-core, performance-per-watt, and performance-per-dollar. We already have a rough idea how high they can clock and the amount of threads they offer so what I mentioned is all that's left that we really need to know.
I will not be surprised if the overall performance is worse to an Intel equivalent, however, that doesn't mean it is a worse product.
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#5360461 Posted on: 11/18/2016 10:54 PM
Not necessarily. When turbo speeds and overclocks are involved, that becomes a real gray area. What matters most is instructions-per-clock, instructions-per-core, performance-per-watt, and performance-per-dollar. We already have a rough idea how high they can clock and the amount of threads they offer so what I mentioned is all that's left that we really need to know.
I will not be surprised if the overall performance is worse to an Intel equivalent, however, that doesn't mean it is a worse product.
i mean it need to match intel offering clock for clock stp for stp performance for performance, what good is if it two,three, four gen behind intel performance wise and 200$ that is what AMD has been for like decade.
Only when AMD can match intel current offer performance wise in all aspect for less will they be back and we will have battle of who has the better performing CPU with the lower prices like we did almost a decade ago? which what drove intel to actual try make improvements. which why there current cpu run all over amd.
AMD hyped the crap out zen I really hope they can deliver what they promised and hyped for once and turn the tables on intel. I might hate AMD and never own there product but that dont mean I dont want to see them make fools of intel. cause doing so will force them to lower there cpu prices and and actual try again like they did decade ago.
Which will be beneficial to customer in many ways less AMD decided to price gauge like intel.
Not necessarily. When turbo speeds and overclocks are involved, that becomes a real gray area. What matters most is instructions-per-clock, instructions-per-core, performance-per-watt, and performance-per-dollar. We already have a rough idea how high they can clock and the amount of threads they offer so what I mentioned is all that's left that we really need to know.
I will not be surprised if the overall performance is worse to an Intel equivalent, however, that doesn't mean it is a worse product.
i mean it need to match intel offering clock for clock stp for stp performance for performance, what good is if it two,three, four gen behind intel performance wise and 200$ that is what AMD has been for like decade.
Only when AMD can match intel current offer performance wise in all aspect for less will they be back and we will have battle of who has the better performing CPU with the lower prices like we did almost a decade ago? which what drove intel to actual try make improvements. which why there current cpu run all over amd.
AMD hyped the crap out zen I really hope they can deliver what they promised and hyped for once and turn the tables on intel. I might hate AMD and never own there product but that dont mean I dont want to see them make fools of intel. cause doing so will force them to lower there cpu prices and and actual try again like they did decade ago.
Which will be beneficial to customer in many ways less AMD decided to price gauge like intel.
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#5360464 Posted on: 11/18/2016 11:01 PM
i mean it need to match intel offering clock for clock stp for stp performance for performance, what good is if it two,three, four gen behind intel performance wise and 200$ that is what AMD has been for like decade
Only when AMD can match intel offer performance wise in all aspect will they be back and we will have battle of who has the better performing CPU with the lower prices like we did almost a decade ago?
AMD hyped the crap out zen I really hope they can deliver what they promised and hyped for once.
AMD wouldn't make the same mistake of releasing a product worse than what they have now. Excavator currently is roughly as good as Sandy Bridge, which isn't a whole lot worse than Skylake.
This is going to be the first generation of a complete refresh. It's bound to be a little crippled. With further additions to microcode patches and maybe 2nd gen products, I figure they'll have something as good as Intel's offerings. For Zen though, I suspect it'll still be slightly behind.
But, not everyone cares about the best possible performance. Price matters too, and as you can see from this thread, people are pretty happy about the price point. AMD is still making sales of FX-83xx CPUs after all, so clearly there's more to it than what scores highest in a benchmark.
i mean it need to match intel offering clock for clock stp for stp performance for performance, what good is if it two,three, four gen behind intel performance wise and 200$ that is what AMD has been for like decade
Only when AMD can match intel offer performance wise in all aspect will they be back and we will have battle of who has the better performing CPU with the lower prices like we did almost a decade ago?
AMD hyped the crap out zen I really hope they can deliver what they promised and hyped for once.
AMD wouldn't make the same mistake of releasing a product worse than what they have now. Excavator currently is roughly as good as Sandy Bridge, which isn't a whole lot worse than Skylake.
This is going to be the first generation of a complete refresh. It's bound to be a little crippled. With further additions to microcode patches and maybe 2nd gen products, I figure they'll have something as good as Intel's offerings. For Zen though, I suspect it'll still be slightly behind.
But, not everyone cares about the best possible performance. Price matters too, and as you can see from this thread, people are pretty happy about the price point. AMD is still making sales of FX-83xx CPUs after all, so clearly there's more to it than what scores highest in a benchmark.
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#5360465 Posted on: 11/18/2016 11:04 PM
back in the day AMD cpu out performance INTEL and cost less, which is the whole point, it has to happen again for AMD to be back and for everyone to win imo.
IF AMD charges same prices for same performance or even worse for less peformance, only thing that is gonna happen is people that prefer INTEL will continue to use INTEL and people the prefer AMD will continue to use AMD. and we will have the same issue we have now overprice cpu that see minimal performance increases each gen, which I am sure everyone can agree they dont want to see that trend continue.
back in the day AMD cpu out performance INTEL and cost less, which is the whole point, it has to happen again for AMD to be back and for everyone to win imo.
IF AMD charges same prices for same performance or even worse for less peformance, only thing that is gonna happen is people that prefer INTEL will continue to use INTEL and people the prefer AMD will continue to use AMD. and we will have the same issue we have now overprice cpu that see minimal performance increases each gen, which I am sure everyone can agree they dont want to see that trend continue.
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#5360493 Posted on: 11/19/2016 12:37 AM
If they have single core performance at roughly around Ivy or Haswell (at same clocks) I don't see how anyone could take issue with Zen. Intel's 8c/16t CPUs all cost well over $500 do they not?
If they have single core performance at roughly around Ivy or Haswell (at same clocks) I don't see how anyone could take issue with Zen. Intel's 8c/16t CPUs all cost well over $500 do they not?
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#5360501 Posted on: 11/19/2016 12:55 AM
Way over.
I'm also wondering at motherboard costs, everyone is so super focused on the CPUs themselves. I'm more interested in the chipsets supporting them at this point. Unless you need specific extras, you can buy any OC'able Intel motherboard and expect solid results. That isn't always the case with AMD, and while the general user probably doesn't care about the ability to OC... I'm sure you get my meaning. It's going to be an interesting month or two until we see these things launch.
If they have single core performance at roughly around Ivy or Haswell (at same clocks) I don't see how anyone could take issue with Zen. Intel's 8c/16t CPUs all cost well over $500 do they not?
Way over.
I'm also wondering at motherboard costs, everyone is so super focused on the CPUs themselves. I'm more interested in the chipsets supporting them at this point. Unless you need specific extras, you can buy any OC'able Intel motherboard and expect solid results. That isn't always the case with AMD, and while the general user probably doesn't care about the ability to OC... I'm sure you get my meaning. It's going to be an interesting month or two until we see these things launch.
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#5360503 Posted on: 11/19/2016 01:02 AM
I really hope pricing and performance will be good, and the same when it comes to the upcoming graphics cards. With the extremely expensive dollar even before the interest rates have started to go up computer parts have become way too expensive, especially with Intel and nVidia's dominance. Effectively it's now getting close to twice the price to get twice the performance, which isn't really a good deal IMO. Competition is needed right now.
I really hope pricing and performance will be good, and the same when it comes to the upcoming graphics cards. With the extremely expensive dollar even before the interest rates have started to go up computer parts have become way too expensive, especially with Intel and nVidia's dominance. Effectively it's now getting close to twice the price to get twice the performance, which isn't really a good deal IMO. Competition is needed right now.
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#5360519 Posted on: 11/19/2016 01:42 AM
I'm sure AMD realises that. I mean, it might be a greenhorn company that has only been in business for measly 47 years, while Intel is already a venerable company of a rich history of 48 years, but I'm sure AMD has learned a thing or two, especially from their recent problems.
IF AMD charges same prices for same performance or even worse for less peformance, only thing that is gonna happen is people that prefer INTEL will continue to use INTEL and people the prefer AMD will continue to use AMD.
I'm sure AMD realises that. I mean, it might be a greenhorn company that has only been in business for measly 47 years, while Intel is already a venerable company of a rich history of 48 years, but I'm sure AMD has learned a thing or two, especially from their recent problems.
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#5360521 Posted on: 11/19/2016 01:45 AM
From another thread
Seems legit guys?
Looks like there will be 6core too and two 8core variants, one highly binned BE for ~ 500$ other normal edition for ~ 350$.
From another thread
Seems legit guys?
Looks like there will be 6core too and two 8core variants, one highly binned BE for ~ 500$ other normal edition for ~ 350$.
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#5360530 Posted on: 11/19/2016 02:27 AM
^^^ The non BE CPU @ $350 would still have an unlocked multiplier and be OC worthy, just not binned specifically for it? OR is that chart indicating that only the BE version is OC capable?
^^^ The non BE CPU @ $350 would still have an unlocked multiplier and be OC worthy, just not binned specifically for it? OR is that chart indicating that only the BE version is OC capable?
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#5360531 Posted on: 11/19/2016 02:29 AM
Tbh what AMD needs is install base not insane profits ^^
Tbh what AMD needs is install base not insane profits ^^
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why bother you know its going to to be crap cpu