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AMD Working on Vertical (3D) Stacking of DRAM onto processors
News from the other side of the globe reaches us and is saying that AMD is working hard to embed DRAM and System Memory onto processors into one single package. The RAM would get connected through silicon-through-channels.
In many segments manufacturers are already working on similar technologies, look at HBM2 and NAND 3D Vertical stacking. For a processor, this, however, is new as the aforementioned technologies are based on a package-on package design. .The new tech would not make the actual memory faster but will make it work more efficient in overall performance.
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#5651130 Posted on: 03/18/2019 11:51 AM
I already though about it since first Ryzen came, if we are getting to the point where 8C/16T can be bought for reasonable price- what going to come later to make you upgrade?
Now we are looking for 16C/32T Desktop CPU's- what could be a reason for upgrade in 2021+?
I think in Future desktop CPU's will come with Ram on CPU, Starting at 4GB low end~ upto 64GB high end - same story like on Ram/Storage on smartphones.
This way AMD/Intel gonna keep making good $$$, for example:
8C/16T comes with 16GB Ram, for you 8C/16T is more then enough but you want more then 16GB- then you have to spend more and buy 12C/24T with 24GB or 16C/32T with 32GB and etc'.
On HEDT/Servers - they will keep using Ram modules for long time.
P.S- Memory manufactures will be happy with this method- think about it: for years you could upgrade your MB/CPU and keep using old DDR3 memory or DDR4 memory= no new sales for Memory manufactures , but if you will be force to replace slower CPU with built in Ram with newer CPU with built in Ram- then Memory manufactures just sold you another memory modules!.
I already though about it since first Ryzen came, if we are getting to the point where 8C/16T can be bought for reasonable price- what going to come later to make you upgrade?
Now we are looking for 16C/32T Desktop CPU's- what could be a reason for upgrade in 2021+?
I think in Future desktop CPU's will come with Ram on CPU, Starting at 4GB low end~ upto 64GB high end - same story like on Ram/Storage on smartphones.
This way AMD/Intel gonna keep making good $$$, for example:
8C/16T comes with 16GB Ram, for you 8C/16T is more then enough but you want more then 16GB- then you have to spend more and buy 12C/24T with 24GB or 16C/32T with 32GB and etc'.
On HEDT/Servers - they will keep using Ram modules for long time.
P.S- Memory manufactures will be happy with this method- think about it: for years you could upgrade your MB/CPU and keep using old DDR3 memory or DDR4 memory= no new sales for Memory manufactures , but if you will be force to replace slower CPU with built in Ram with newer CPU with built in Ram- then Memory manufactures just sold you another memory modules!.
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#5651134 Posted on: 03/18/2019 12:09 PM
well AMD have well promising HBM, i think is only promising and at the its not that big deal, expensive, many compromises, DDR5X/DDR6 looks better with lowest price...
embeded ram is ok for oem, bude bad for rest, i agree with HWgeek
i see in future total bad combination...
week cpu with so many ram, strong cpu with half of this ram etc
say simple, no good choices :/
or in best case good choices but with abyssmal price
well AMD have well promising HBM, i think is only promising and at the its not that big deal, expensive, many compromises, DDR5X/DDR6 looks better with lowest price...
embeded ram is ok for oem, bude bad for rest, i agree with HWgeek
i see in future total bad combination...
week cpu with so many ram, strong cpu with half of this ram etc
say simple, no good choices :/
or in best case good choices but with abyssmal price
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#5651140 Posted on: 03/18/2019 12:36 PM
I love how 4 years ago it was like:"We don't need more than 4 cores, cpu's are perfectly fine for now"
after there's some competition, everyone is like: "We have to push to 10 cores & use 3D stacking techniques"
I love how 4 years ago it was like:"We don't need more than 4 cores, cpu's are perfectly fine for now"
after there's some competition, everyone is like: "We have to push to 10 cores & use 3D stacking techniques"
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#5651146 Posted on: 03/18/2019 01:04 PM
I love how 4 years ago it was like:"We don't need more than 4 cores, cpu's are perfectly fine for now"
after there's some competition, everyone is like: "We have to push to 10 cores & use 3D stacking techniques"
I love how 4 years ago it was like:"We don't need more than 4 cores, cpu's are perfectly fine for now"
after there's some competition, everyone is like: "We have to push to 10 cores & use 3D stacking techniques"
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I wonder if at some point we'll actually lose the freedom to pick the amount/speed of DRAM we want, or if this will remain limited to select embedded use-cases.
Honestly, if AMD starts selling 8C/16T APUs w/ solid iGPU + 8/16GB HBM2 or other embedded memory... people will not complain.
45W CPU part + 85W iGPU part + 10~20W memory + VRMs 25W of heat. Size of that system... Tiny, but nasty gaming box. (Just 220~250W PSU.)
Due to actual heat producing components being nicely in one place, cooling solution can be quite optimized.
And what that can do for mobile...
Yeah "right to repair" n all that.. definitely skirting further n further away and closer to none at all.
No way the CPU OEMs are going to match anything anywhere near the current dedicated modular RAM market - it's just not profitable or realistic
Any smart memory manufacturer is lobbying to protect their piece of the market. Not like they are against performance - loss of profit. Likely a halfway solution between them & the cpu makers will arise.
This is no different than HBM for GPU and that's not much different than GDDR5. Memory is integrated one way or another.
Those "Memory Assembling Companies" are doing exactly that. Memory chips themselves are made by very few.
Is memory stick in danger with this? No. Server business requires components which can be easily replaced and upgraded.
Is that problem for notebooks/tablets? No, tablets can't be upgraded in 99% of cases and those which have actual slot of any sort (M.2) are quite new.
In notebook market, most of them are not upgraded through their life cycle in terms of system memory. It is nice option, but if it is integrated, it trades ability to exchange memory for smaller thickness and possibly power efficiency. And as long as that reduces cost of device, one can pay for extra warranty.