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AMD wants to increase performance per cycle by more than 7 percent annually
Performance per clock cycle (Instructions per Cycle, IPC) is a term we use iften here at Guru3D. With the Zen-2 architecture aka Ryzen 3000, Threadripper 3000 and Epyc Rome, AMD recently managed to raise the IPC by around 15 percent compared to Zen+ (Ryzen 2000).
If you have read the previous news, then ZEN3 will again offer more IPC, Ryzen 4000 in late 2020 - according to recent speculations, it could even be 17 percent. And the subsequent processor generations should also bring significant IPC gains.
Our colleagues from Anandtech interviewed AMD's Chief Technology Officer (CTO) Mark Papermaster. AMD wants to continue to bring new processors to the market in a 12 to 18-month cadence and thereby exceed the current industry standard of 7 percent annual IPC increase - converted to one and a half years, this would correspond to 10.7 percent.
"We have previously noticed that the industry is experiencing slow 7% annual growth in single-thread performance, and our goal is to outperform each generation of our products. With our latest products, we do better than that Industry cut off and industry expectations exceeded. "
A higher performance per cycle depends on several factors, but it is primarily influenced by refined manufacturing processes and, above all, the microarchitecture. Zen 3 is manufactured using the 7 nm EUV (Extreme Ultraviolet) process and is said to offer a completely new core design. In addition, according to Papermaster, several teams are currently working on Zen 4, Zen 5 and even more distant generations of architecture.
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#5747051 Posted on: 01/02/2020 09:30 AM
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#5747061 Posted on: 01/02/2020 09:57 AM
Seriously considering Ryzen 4000 for a potential build at the end of this year (yep I had to remember we're in the New Year now!) - will take a look at the reviews, compare it to what Intel is offering and then make my choices...it's looking good for Ryzen 4000!
Seriously considering Ryzen 4000 for a potential build at the end of this year (yep I had to remember we're in the New Year now!) - will take a look at the reviews, compare it to what Intel is offering and then make my choices...it's looking good for Ryzen 4000!
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#5747063 Posted on: 01/02/2020 10:02 AM
AMD is not tired of winning.
AMD is not tired of winning.
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#5747067 Posted on: 01/02/2020 10:12 AM
An i5 2500K should not be viable these days but it is, because Intel gave maybe 25% IPC increase over 9 years.
Meanwhile you look at ARM and they manage 15-25% performance increases every year, getting near Intel mobile performance levels now and using a fraction of the watts.
Intel really held computing back and I'm glad that this dark age of PCs is finally ending.
An i5 2500K should not be viable these days but it is, because Intel gave maybe 25% IPC increase over 9 years.
Meanwhile you look at ARM and they manage 15-25% performance increases every year, getting near Intel mobile performance levels now and using a fraction of the watts.
Intel really held computing back and I'm glad that this dark age of PCs is finally ending.
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#5747071 Posted on: 01/02/2020 10:35 AM
Wow, at this rate I'll have to replace my 6600k by 2026 or so.
Wow, at this rate I'll have to replace my 6600k by 2026 or so.
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#5747080 Posted on: 01/02/2020 10:52 AM
Great news, if they can pull it off.
The 3950X is already close to a 9900K in gaming, but also way more expensive.
For FPS games AMD is already "good enough", but those of us itching for strategy and sim games, we really need that slight edge Intel still has with the 9900K sadly.
If they manage to break that last stronghold, I can finally switch to Team red for my rig. Nothing I would like to do more than that.
Great news, if they can pull it off.
The 3950X is already close to a 9900K in gaming, but also way more expensive.
For FPS games AMD is already "good enough", but those of us itching for strategy and sim games, we really need that slight edge Intel still has with the 9900K sadly.
If they manage to break that last stronghold, I can finally switch to Team red for my rig. Nothing I would like to do more than that.
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#5747084 Posted on: 01/02/2020 11:11 AM
Meanwhile you look at ARM and they manage 15-25% performance increases every year, getting near Intel mobile performance levels now and using a fraction of the watts.
It should be noted that its easier to do that when you are still on lower levels of performance, while eventually it'll slow down once you have exhausted all the low-hanging fruits for improving performance, and the complexity ramps up.
The next decade will be truely interesting for ARM to see where they potentially top out and need to slow down - approaching desktop levels of performance, maybe.
Intel really held computing back and I'm glad that this dark age of PCs is finally ending.
As did AMD by not producing worthwhile processors for a decade or so.
Meanwhile you look at ARM and they manage 15-25% performance increases every year, getting near Intel mobile performance levels now and using a fraction of the watts.
It should be noted that its easier to do that when you are still on lower levels of performance, while eventually it'll slow down once you have exhausted all the low-hanging fruits for improving performance, and the complexity ramps up.
The next decade will be truely interesting for ARM to see where they potentially top out and need to slow down - approaching desktop levels of performance, maybe.
Intel really held computing back and I'm glad that this dark age of PCs is finally ending.
As did AMD by not producing worthwhile processors for a decade or so.
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#5747116 Posted on: 01/02/2020 12:41 PM
Yeah, Bulldozer.
Never forget.
I wonder which company will pull the next Pentium 4 or Bulldozer cr4p, with new generation having lower IPC and bigger power consumption than previous gen ?
But I do hope they both learned from those experiences and never do it again.
Yeah, Bulldozer.
Never forget.
I wonder which company will pull the next Pentium 4 or Bulldozer cr4p, with new generation having lower IPC and bigger power consumption than previous gen ?
But I do hope they both learned from those experiences and never do it again.
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#5747129 Posted on: 01/02/2020 01:22 PM
Good, I postponed my main PC upgrade to later in the year and it sounds like this year might bring lots of cool toys for me to assemble an entirely new system with. Sadly, it seems this year will also see my venerable i7-980X put out to pasture as well. Not worth the power consumption to keep it around as a backup system any more. Still, I got a decade of use out of the X58 platform. Just goes to show how little things have been improving until recently.
Good, I postponed my main PC upgrade to later in the year and it sounds like this year might bring lots of cool toys for me to assemble an entirely new system with. Sadly, it seems this year will also see my venerable i7-980X put out to pasture as well. Not worth the power consumption to keep it around as a backup system any more. Still, I got a decade of use out of the X58 platform. Just goes to show how little things have been improving until recently.
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#5747138 Posted on: 01/02/2020 01:53 PM
Sounds reasonable but we need to switch from silicon in the next 5 years or we are doomed.
We know clocks won't get over 5Ghz on current silicon tech, 10-15 years to double single thread performance is pathetic.
Sounds reasonable but we need to switch from silicon in the next 5 years or we are doomed.
We know clocks won't get over 5Ghz on current silicon tech, 10-15 years to double single thread performance is pathetic.
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#5747181 Posted on: 01/02/2020 04:06 PM
Yeah 5GHz is pretty much the limit and a hard one at that, need to focus on extracting performance with higher instructions per clock.
Yeah 5GHz is pretty much the limit and a hard one at that, need to focus on extracting performance with higher instructions per clock.
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#5747185 Posted on: 01/02/2020 04:12 PM
It says Defused in USA Defused in Taiwan made in China on the Cpu, I thought Amd was an American company? Oh wait that's the guys who built it for them what's there name again I forgot?
It says Defused in USA Defused in Taiwan made in China on the Cpu, I thought Amd was an American company? Oh wait that's the guys who built it for them what's there name again I forgot?
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#5747190 Posted on: 01/02/2020 04:18 PM
The attitude is admirable and the effort is commendable, but I have low hopes this is actually going to pan out this way. Zen still has room for maturing, but unless they deliberately hold back optimizations per generation, I don't really see how it's possible for them to cram in that much performance each year, especially without causing regressions. I think it's fair to expect a 7%+ improvement for Zen3 and another 7%+ for whichever generation goes to DDR5, but I don't see how they could do much beyond that.
Much like many American companies, the products are designed in the US but manufactured elsewhere.
I'm guessing TSMC is the company you're forgetting the name of?
The attitude is admirable and the effort is commendable, but I have low hopes this is actually going to pan out this way. Zen still has room for maturing, but unless they deliberately hold back optimizations per generation, I don't really see how it's possible for them to cram in that much performance each year, especially without causing regressions. I think it's fair to expect a 7%+ improvement for Zen3 and another 7%+ for whichever generation goes to DDR5, but I don't see how they could do much beyond that.
It says Defused in USA Defused in Taiwan made in China on the Cpu, I thought Amd was an American company? Oh wait that's the guys who built it for them what's there name again I forgot?
Much like many American companies, the products are designed in the US but manufactured elsewhere.
I'm guessing TSMC is the company you're forgetting the name of?
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#5747193 Posted on: 01/02/2020 04:20 PM
I hope they support more and better instructions codes for Physiks and 3D.
I hope they support more and better instructions codes for Physiks and 3D.
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Good luck to them !
We really need it, after so many years of sub-5% Y2Y increases (or even decreases in some cases... AMD guilty of that too)