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AMD Vega To get 20K Units Released at launch and new Zen+ chatter
The ongoing rumors about Radeon RX Vega are just, on-going. In the latest news it is reported that there will be 20K Units for Vega available state some media. There might be news about Zen+ inbound as well.
This particular Vega rumor comes from Tweaktown who decided that news from HardwareSfera is an "exclusive industry source. Other than that there are no credible leads or facts on this info, but yeah apparently they would launch with a maximum of 20K units. Which actually makes sense, as most releases in the high-end see such numbers typically. The volume availability might be a bit more limited due to the fact that HBM2 still is in short supply.
There’s another rumor floating on the web that claims that AMD will reveal more info on Vega-, Navi- and Zen+-architecture op May 16th. Here the information was derived from a pending Financial Analyst Day where the CEO of AMD will speech a bit. How the media gets to the fact that she’ll talk about Vega-, Navi- and Zen+-architecture, I have no idea. New technology roadmaps are expected to be released as well.
In an AMA on Reddit AMD already stated they will prolong ZEN architecture with Zen2 and Zen3 as Zen+.The first iteration of these would be Pinacle Ridge with a release in 2018. This series should get another 15% IPC improvement.
So likely next week we’ll hear a bit more on Vega and ZEN+, AMD will also be live-streaming the event.
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#5429676 Posted on: 05/09/2017 09:02 AM
looks like ill have to start saving for the refresh hopefully the memory prices will have come down by then and compatibility will be better.
As for vega i expect the launch to be a lot like the fury x was.
looks like ill have to start saving for the refresh hopefully the memory prices will have come down by then and compatibility will be better.
As for vega i expect the launch to be a lot like the fury x was.
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#5429679 Posted on: 05/09/2017 09:08 AM
looks like ill have to start saving for the refresh hopefully the memory prices will have come down by then and compatibility will be better.
As for vega i expect the launch to be a lot like the fury x was.
I just might upgrade my 1800x come ryzen refresh XD just because the platform supports and I can. If they get +15% IPC and higher clocks for sure.
looks like ill have to start saving for the refresh hopefully the memory prices will have come down by then and compatibility will be better.
As for vega i expect the launch to be a lot like the fury x was.
I just might upgrade my 1800x come ryzen refresh XD just because the platform supports and I can. If they get +15% IPC and higher clocks for sure.
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#5429681 Posted on: 05/09/2017 09:19 AM
I don't understand why the HBM2 would be such a bottleneck. It's not new technology anymore, per se, it's just development from the original HBM. Didn't they learn anything from the first one?
If this is indeed true, it's far too easy to say that Nvidia made once again a much more sensible decision by using GDDR5X, which apparently has no supply problems despite being nothing but a further development from GDDR5, just like HBM->HBM2.
I don't understand why the HBM2 would be such a bottleneck. It's not new technology anymore, per se, it's just development from the original HBM. Didn't they learn anything from the first one?
If this is indeed true, it's far too easy to say that Nvidia made once again a much more sensible decision by using GDDR5X, which apparently has no supply problems despite being nothing but a further development from GDDR5, just like HBM->HBM2.
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#5429683 Posted on: 05/09/2017 09:38 AM
In the notes it discusses that Zen+ is expected to have 15 percent IPC increase. IPC properly stands for "Instructions Per Clock", although Intel seem to have changed it to 'Indicative Performance per Core". They can claim a 10 percent IPC increase just by having a 10 percent high clock, but going by the proper definition the IPC is the same. The term IPC is therefore meaningless, they should just say 10 percent performance improvement because that is what it is! From what I understand of AMD's use of the term, they simply don't mean 15 percent clock increase (giving the 15 percent boost), they actually mean 15 percent for the same clock? Or maybe the clocks increase 10 percent and the remaining 5 percent comes from architectural improvements?
What do people think, are AMD using the exact same fake misleading description that Intel uses, or is it based on actual improvement?
In the notes it discusses that Zen+ is expected to have 15 percent IPC increase. IPC properly stands for "Instructions Per Clock", although Intel seem to have changed it to 'Indicative Performance per Core". They can claim a 10 percent IPC increase just by having a 10 percent high clock, but going by the proper definition the IPC is the same. The term IPC is therefore meaningless, they should just say 10 percent performance improvement because that is what it is! From what I understand of AMD's use of the term, they simply don't mean 15 percent clock increase (giving the 15 percent boost), they actually mean 15 percent for the same clock? Or maybe the clocks increase 10 percent and the remaining 5 percent comes from architectural improvements?
What do people think, are AMD using the exact same fake misleading description that Intel uses, or is it based on actual improvement?
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#5429720 Posted on: 05/09/2017 11:41 AM
Can anyone explain why AMD insists on HBM? Is say GDDR5X 512bit not enough? Fury did not seem to benefiy from HBM much?
Can anyone explain why AMD insists on HBM? Is say GDDR5X 512bit not enough? Fury did not seem to benefiy from HBM much?
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#5429734 Posted on: 05/09/2017 12:52 PM
I have a feeling that it slots into their long term Heterogeneous computing concept somewhere down the line, and for now it's the introduction phase on the high end who can bear the costs in the first place.
Question is if AMD will last that long...
Can anyone explain why AMD insists on HBM? Is say GDDR5X 512bit not enough? Fury did not seem to benefiy from HBM much?
I have a feeling that it slots into their long term Heterogeneous computing concept somewhere down the line, and for now it's the introduction phase on the high end who can bear the costs in the first place.
Question is if AMD will last that long...
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#5429736 Posted on: 05/09/2017 01:06 PM
Fury X had a problem with so little ROPs,only 64,not 4GB HBM.HBM release/refresh data faster than GDDR5/x.
Vega needs again many ROPs,over 96-128,and needs the high bandwidth memory(obviously needs high power for ze chip).
Can anyone explain why AMD insists on HBM? Is say GDDR5X 512bit not enough? Fury did not seem to benefiy from HBM much?
Fury X had a problem with so little ROPs,only 64,not 4GB HBM.HBM release/refresh data faster than GDDR5/x.
Vega needs again many ROPs,over 96-128,and needs the high bandwidth memory(obviously needs high power for ze chip).
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#5429746 Posted on: 05/09/2017 01:19 PM
I hope this is not true, because if it is, then 20K is basically nothing...
I hope this is not true, because if it is, then 20K is basically nothing...
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#5429775 Posted on: 05/09/2017 02:36 PM
You gotta start somewhere when you innovate. Without AMD taking risks, NVIDIA and INTEL would still be bending everyone over.
If they can deliver 1080ti performance without water cooler for less than $650 I'll pre-order one of the first 20k. I don't even need it, there's no games that take advantage of it now, but I'm tired of the NVIDIA\INTEL monopoly, the inflated prices and built-in obsolescence. Their greed has stifled innovation for years.
I hope this is not true, because if it is, then 20K is basically nothing...
You gotta start somewhere when you innovate. Without AMD taking risks, NVIDIA and INTEL would still be bending everyone over.
If they can deliver 1080ti performance without water cooler for less than $650 I'll pre-order one of the first 20k. I don't even need it, there's no games that take advantage of it now, but I'm tired of the NVIDIA\INTEL monopoly, the inflated prices and built-in obsolescence. Their greed has stifled innovation for years.
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#5429778 Posted on: 05/09/2017 02:43 PM
You guys remember this? And thats after the first branch that sold out quckly. 20k seems very low.
"AMD shipping 100K more Polaris 10 GPUs to board partners"
http://techreport.com/news/30482/report-amd-shipping-100k-more-polaris-10-gpus-to-board-partners
You guys remember this? And thats after the first branch that sold out quckly. 20k seems very low.
"AMD shipping 100K more Polaris 10 GPUs to board partners"
http://techreport.com/news/30482/report-amd-shipping-100k-more-polaris-10-gpus-to-board-partners
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#5429784 Posted on: 05/09/2017 03:02 PM
You gotta start somewhere when you innovate. Without AMD taking risks, NVIDIA and INTEL would still be bending everyone over.
If they can deliver 1080ti performance without water cooler for less than $650 I'll pre-order one of the first 20k. I don't even need it, there's no games that take advantage of it now, but I'm tired of the NVIDIA\INTEL monopoly, the inflated prices and built-in obsolescence. Their greed has stifled innovation for years.
What exactly is AMD doing that's so innovative with Vega? And how has Nvidia stifled innovation for years?
You gotta start somewhere when you innovate. Without AMD taking risks, NVIDIA and INTEL would still be bending everyone over.
If they can deliver 1080ti performance without water cooler for less than $650 I'll pre-order one of the first 20k. I don't even need it, there's no games that take advantage of it now, but I'm tired of the NVIDIA\INTEL monopoly, the inflated prices and built-in obsolescence. Their greed has stifled innovation for years.
What exactly is AMD doing that's so innovative with Vega? And how has Nvidia stifled innovation for years?
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#5429787 Posted on: 05/09/2017 03:13 PM
This is cool and all, but I just want an am4 apu.
This is cool and all, but I just want an am4 apu.
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#5429788 Posted on: 05/09/2017 03:19 PM
Right? They've had the top performing products for years now, but somehow that's stifling innovation? Meanwhile AMD has only managed to tread water in a couple of specific product lines. But somehow AMD are innovators?
Zen is pretty great though. It seems like they are pushing Intel to step up their game. I just wish they could do the same on the GPU side.
What exactly is AMD doing that's so innovative with Vega? And how has Nvidia stifled innovation for years?
Right? They've had the top performing products for years now, but somehow that's stifling innovation? Meanwhile AMD has only managed to tread water in a couple of specific product lines. But somehow AMD are innovators?
Zen is pretty great though. It seems like they are pushing Intel to step up their game. I just wish they could do the same on the GPU side.
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#5429792 Posted on: 05/09/2017 03:37 PM
Well AMD does innovate, I just don't consider HBM2 "innovative" at this point. For starters Nvidia has been shipping cards with it for 6 months. Putting it on consumer cards isn't innovative, it's arguably just a bad decision but one AMD doesn't seem to have a choice in.
None of the other innovative things on Vega would limit supply. So I'm not sure what the point of his first sentence is.
The idea that Nvidia is stifling innovation is just insane. Their innovation might be self-serving but it pushes the entire industry forward. Freesync is awesome, but AMD had no plan for it until GSync came. AMD's open software library is a response to Gameworks. Their shadowplay equivalent (I forget the name) is a response to shadowplay. The Vega cache controller is nice and might be faster but Pascal already supports unified memory through CUDA. Nvidia already has packed math. They already have tiled rasterization.
Then you have all the stuff they push with virtualization, AI, Deep Learning, Ray Tracing, etc. Granted AMD has efforts in all this too - but Nvidia is still developing stuff there and pushing the ball forward.
Idk which company has more "impact" in terms of innovation, but saying that Nvidia stifles it is ridiculous.
Well AMD does innovate, I just don't consider HBM2 "innovative" at this point. For starters Nvidia has been shipping cards with it for 6 months. Putting it on consumer cards isn't innovative, it's arguably just a bad decision but one AMD doesn't seem to have a choice in.
None of the other innovative things on Vega would limit supply. So I'm not sure what the point of his first sentence is.
The idea that Nvidia is stifling innovation is just insane. Their innovation might be self-serving but it pushes the entire industry forward. Freesync is awesome, but AMD had no plan for it until GSync came. AMD's open software library is a response to Gameworks. Their shadowplay equivalent (I forget the name) is a response to shadowplay. The Vega cache controller is nice and might be faster but Pascal already supports unified memory through CUDA. Nvidia already has packed math. They already have tiled rasterization.
Then you have all the stuff they push with virtualization, AI, Deep Learning, Ray Tracing, etc. Granted AMD has efforts in all this too - but Nvidia is still developing stuff there and pushing the ball forward.
Idk which company has more "impact" in terms of innovation, but saying that Nvidia stifles it is ridiculous.
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The same happened during the launch of Fury X, IIRC. It's not surprising. Given the anticipation and the hype surrounding this launch, I expect all Vega units to be sold out/booked within 6 hours from launch/pre-order. Guess reviewers may need to share review samples like they did during Fury X launch.