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AMD Updates Second Quarter Outlook
AMD today announced that revenue for the second quarter ended June 27, 2015 is expected to be lower than previously guided. The company now expects second quarter revenue to decrease approximately 8 percent sequentially, compared to the previous guidance of down 3 percent, plus or minus 3 percent.
The sequential decrease is primarily due to weaker than expected consumer PC demand impacting the company's Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) APU sales. The company expects second quarter channel sales and channel inventory reduction efforts to be in-line with the company's plans.
The company anticipates non-GAAP gross margin to be approximately 28 percent, compared to the previous non-GAAP guidance of approximately 32 percent primarily due to a higher mix of Enterprise, Embedded and Semi-Custom segment sales and lower than anticipated Computing and Graphics segment APU unit volumes due to weaker than expected OEM PC product demand. Additionally the company anticipates GAAP gross margin to be further impacted by a one-time charge of approximately $33 million associated with a technology node transition from 20 nanometer (nm) to FinFET. The company started several product designs in 20 nm that will instead transition to the leading-edge FinFET node.
Cash and cash equivalents at the end of the second quarter are expected to be approximately $830 million, in line with expectations.
AMD will report second quarter 2015 results after market close on Thursday, July 16, 2015. AMD will hold a conference call for the financial community at 2:30 p.m. PT (5:30 p.m. ET) that day to discuss second quarter financial results and to provide information regarding expected third quarter results. AMD will provide a real-time audio broadcast of the teleconference on the Investor Relations page. The webcast will be available for 10 days after the conference call.
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#5116265 Posted on: 07/07/2015 10:04 AM
AMD should show OEMs middle finger and make their own devices, at least some.
Because FX-7600p was not delivered, FX-8800p gets delivered in few poor configurations.
Those OEMs have no vision / understanding what APUs are for, or they are clearly sabotaging AMD.
Poor sales are because people are waiting and waiting till they give up and buy intel's device since those are available in any imaginable configuration.
I'll be waiting till That proper FX-8800p netbook is made. Intel does not have what I want and will not have it even in next year.
What is it exactly that you expect since Intel does not have what you want? Just genuinely curious, I've always found laptops with Intel hardware that suit me. Quite easily actually.
AMD should show OEMs middle finger and make their own devices, at least some.
Because FX-7600p was not delivered, FX-8800p gets delivered in few poor configurations.
Those OEMs have no vision / understanding what APUs are for, or they are clearly sabotaging AMD.
Poor sales are because people are waiting and waiting till they give up and buy intel's device since those are available in any imaginable configuration.
I'll be waiting till That proper FX-8800p netbook is made. Intel does not have what I want and will not have it even in next year.
What is it exactly that you expect since Intel does not have what you want? Just genuinely curious, I've always found laptops with Intel hardware that suit me. Quite easily actually.
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#5116287 Posted on: 07/07/2015 11:19 AM
Intel can't match AMD in graphical performance when you go to small form factors. While intel may have now quite stronger iGPU (not better from rendering IQ), those come only in high wattage chips and at high prices.
High wattage&price prevents you from getting small form factor 12~14'' with good battery life, weight, price.
If you go for low power intel's CPU, you can pair it with AMD/nVidia GPU, but then it fails at weight or space for battery (battery life). And this increases complexity (price). And is likely worse in total performance vs same 15/35 W configured FX-8800p.
AMD can fit such APU even into 10'' bit thicker netbook (like 2cm) and still have great battery life.
+I want it for HSA development.
Intel can't match AMD in graphical performance when you go to small form factors. While intel may have now quite stronger iGPU (not better from rendering IQ), those come only in high wattage chips and at high prices.
High wattage&price prevents you from getting small form factor 12~14'' with good battery life, weight, price.
If you go for low power intel's CPU, you can pair it with AMD/nVidia GPU, but then it fails at weight or space for battery (battery life). And this increases complexity (price). And is likely worse in total performance vs same 15/35 W configured FX-8800p.
AMD can fit such APU even into 10'' bit thicker netbook (like 2cm) and still have great battery life.
+I want it for HSA development.
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#5116303 Posted on: 07/07/2015 11:44 AM
I'm pretty sure that the upcoming Intel chips with Iris Pro wipe the floor with Carrizo. Not only in CPU performance but in GPU performance too while having much better battery life. They may not be very cheap but they will be faster, especially when it comes to CPU performance. It would still be nice to see some decent Carrizo laptops.
If you for some reason want HSA then you have no options. Though it's completely irrelevant feature at the moment for any user.
I'm pretty sure that the upcoming Intel chips with Iris Pro wipe the floor with Carrizo. Not only in CPU performance but in GPU performance too while having much better battery life. They may not be very cheap but they will be faster, especially when it comes to CPU performance. It would still be nice to see some decent Carrizo laptops.
If you for some reason want HSA then you have no options. Though it's completely irrelevant feature at the moment for any user.
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#5116355 Posted on: 07/07/2015 01:19 PM
That's the problem with AMD hardware right now, there is no room in the mobile market for them. Intel has it in every segment of mobile computing(Not counting smart phones.).
Their new mobile APU's look amazing, but they offer nothing needed over what Intel has. That, and Intel has a hold on the OEMs.
What is it exactly that you expect since Intel does not have what you want? Just genuinely curious, I've always found laptops with Intel hardware that suit me. Quite easily actually.
That's the problem with AMD hardware right now, there is no room in the mobile market for them. Intel has it in every segment of mobile computing(Not counting smart phones.).
Their new mobile APU's look amazing, but they offer nothing needed over what Intel has. That, and Intel has a hold on the OEMs.
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#5116361 Posted on: 07/07/2015 01:24 PM
+I want it for HSA development.
I'm pretty sure that the upcoming Intel chips with Iris Pro wipe the floor with Carrizo. Not only in CPU performance but in GPU performance too while having much better battery life. They may not be very cheap but they will be faster, especially when it comes to CPU performance. It would still be nice to see some decent Carrizo laptops.
If you for some reason want HSA then you have no options. Though it's completely irrelevant feature at the moment for any user.
There is quite discord between bold parts.
Other than that I agree that intel can deliver higher performance, I would not be so enthusiastic about standards/IQ. Nor performance per $ or per watt.
And you are right that upcoming AMD's mobile chips will wipe floor with intel's desktops. (upcoming versus available - just to see market relevance)
Some people here shown how much IrisPro breaks graphics. Actually more than I would believe, but screenshots are screenshots.
Btw, while I am not interested in intel's mobile chips, which are supposed to get high performing IrisPro iGPUs?
As I was checking previous generations and intel never gave top of the line iGPU to lower power mobile chips.
Same way as they are not making any mobile i5 chips, all are either i3 or i7, they just name some of them as i5.
(Reason is simple: "Who would buy mobile i7 if there was real mobile i5?")
+I want it for HSA development.
I'm pretty sure that the upcoming Intel chips with Iris Pro wipe the floor with Carrizo. Not only in CPU performance but in GPU performance too while having much better battery life. They may not be very cheap but they will be faster, especially when it comes to CPU performance. It would still be nice to see some decent Carrizo laptops.
If you for some reason want HSA then you have no options. Though it's completely irrelevant feature at the moment for any user.
There is quite discord between bold parts.
Other than that I agree that intel can deliver higher performance, I would not be so enthusiastic about standards/IQ. Nor performance per $ or per watt.
And you are right that upcoming AMD's mobile chips will wipe floor with intel's desktops. (upcoming versus available - just to see market relevance)
Some people here shown how much IrisPro breaks graphics. Actually more than I would believe, but screenshots are screenshots.
Btw, while I am not interested in intel's mobile chips, which are supposed to get high performing IrisPro iGPUs?
As I was checking previous generations and intel never gave top of the line iGPU to lower power mobile chips.
Same way as they are not making any mobile i5 chips, all are either i3 or i7, they just name some of them as i5.
(Reason is simple: "Who would buy mobile i7 if there was real mobile i5?")
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#5116362 Posted on: 07/07/2015 01:26 PM
Only issue I've seen with Intel laptops is their drivers suck for igpu.
Only issue I've seen with Intel laptops is their drivers suck for igpu.
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#5116392 Posted on: 07/07/2015 02:03 PM
Not to mention that optimus thing which switches from igpu to dgpu. That thing simply refuses to work properly.
Hell, at some point I simply uninstalled all optimus related things and the switch actually worked properly. Still working. Without a driver. Whoever coded that crap should be shot.
Only issue I've seen with Intel laptops is their drivers suck for igpu.
Not to mention that optimus thing which switches from igpu to dgpu. That thing simply refuses to work properly.
Hell, at some point I simply uninstalled all optimus related things and the switch actually worked properly. Still working. Without a driver. Whoever coded that crap should be shot.
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#5116395 Posted on: 07/07/2015 02:04 PM
Iris Pro 6200 seems like a fast thing 20% faster then 7850k according to anandtech. That 14nm is going strong. Now if AMD ever gets to 14nm we should see somewhat better performance then 28nm parts now. Oh and I hate my intel drivers on my work laptop ffs.
Iris Pro 6200 seems like a fast thing 20% faster then 7850k according to anandtech. That 14nm is going strong. Now if AMD ever gets to 14nm we should see somewhat better performance then 28nm parts now. Oh and I hate my intel drivers on my work laptop ffs.
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#5116398 Posted on: 07/07/2015 02:09 PM
Not to mention that optimus thing which switches from igpu to dgpu. That thing simply refuses to work properly.
Hell, at some point I simply uninstalled all optimus related things and the switch actually worked properly. Still working. Without a driver. Whoever coded that crap should be shot.
Weird. I definitely have problems with it on Linux but I never had an issue with it on Windows and I always just let the Nvidia driver handle the GPU install.
Not to mention that optimus thing which switches from igpu to dgpu. That thing simply refuses to work properly.
Hell, at some point I simply uninstalled all optimus related things and the switch actually worked properly. Still working. Without a driver. Whoever coded that crap should be shot.
Weird. I definitely have problems with it on Linux but I never had an issue with it on Windows and I always just let the Nvidia driver handle the GPU install.
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#5116414 Posted on: 07/07/2015 02:35 PM
It is one with eDRAM. Used only in 4 CPUs, all of them 47W TDP not exactly stuff for 12'' netbook, unimaginable in 10''. and battery life with those is far from stellar.
3x are i7s ranging from $420 to $630 per chip. One is i3 which goes for $290 per chip.
That is not cost friendly for netbooks too.
Iris Pro 6200 seems like a fast thing 20% faster then 7850k according to anandtech. That 14nm is going strong. Now if AMD ever gets to 14nm we should see somewhat better performance then 28nm parts now. Oh and I hate my intel drivers on my work laptop ffs.
It is one with eDRAM. Used only in 4 CPUs, all of them 47W TDP not exactly stuff for 12'' netbook, unimaginable in 10''. and battery life with those is far from stellar.
3x are i7s ranging from $420 to $630 per chip. One is i3 which goes for $290 per chip.
That is not cost friendly for netbooks too.
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#5116447 Posted on: 07/07/2015 03:20 PM
It is one with eDRAM. Used only in 4 CPUs, all of them 47W TDP not exactly stuff for 12'' netbook, unimaginable in 10''. and battery life with those is far from stellar.
3x are i7s ranging from $420 to $630 per chip. One is i3 which goes for $290 per chip.
That is not cost friendly for netbooks too.
I feel like the GPU performance is irrelevant for the vast majority of users on a netbook/tablet.
Like my Surface 3 has an i5 and honestly I'd rather have a Broadwell/Skylake Core-M with worse GPU performance (but shave 10-12w). The only gaming I do on it is via steam streaming anyway, which the Core-M is more than capable of. And aside from gaming what else am I doing with a netbook/tablet that requires massive graphics power? I'd rather have the battery.
It is one with eDRAM. Used only in 4 CPUs, all of them 47W TDP not exactly stuff for 12'' netbook, unimaginable in 10''. and battery life with those is far from stellar.
3x are i7s ranging from $420 to $630 per chip. One is i3 which goes for $290 per chip.
That is not cost friendly for netbooks too.
I feel like the GPU performance is irrelevant for the vast majority of users on a netbook/tablet.
Like my Surface 3 has an i5 and honestly I'd rather have a Broadwell/Skylake Core-M with worse GPU performance (but shave 10-12w). The only gaming I do on it is via steam streaming anyway, which the Core-M is more than capable of. And aside from gaming what else am I doing with a netbook/tablet that requires massive graphics power? I'd rather have the battery.
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#5116650 Posted on: 07/07/2015 07:34 PM
Sure
This is still quite batlle betwen amd and intel....hey you intel people,who prefer intel ,i dont like intel ever - i dont know why, but yust this hear,,,,what will be if was no amd ??? You will be buying your i5 and i i7 and titan for at last x3 price ,ha ??? So,dont be so hard to amd . Lets yust see what will be and a competition is a good thing for common people....
Sure
This is still quite batlle betwen amd and intel....hey you intel people,who prefer intel ,i dont like intel ever - i dont know why, but yust this hear,,,,what will be if was no amd ??? You will be buying your i5 and i i7 and titan for at last x3 price ,ha ??? So,dont be so hard to amd . Lets yust see what will be and a competition is a good thing for common people....
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#5116675 Posted on: 07/07/2015 08:07 PM
So what, I'm supposed to support a company that perpetually fails at releasing competitive products?
I don't really care what anyone says, the moment AMD failed was the moment they decided to spend $5.4B on ATi. Literally every single analyst at the time said they overpaid for it. To make it worse, they sold off Imageon right after buying ATi. Qualcomm picked them up and now Qualcomm has the best Mobile-GPU's by a landslide. Anyway, since that moment they've been releasing subpar processors that are only competitive due to pricing. Which is fine if it's temporary, but it's not -- it's been what, 9 years since Core 2?
Imagine if that $5.4 went towards a Bulldozer in 2008 or 2009. Imagine if it went into their fabrication division and they actually competed with Intel instead of spinning off Global Foundaries. Imagine if they actually hired a competent CEO instead of the garbage they've been hiring (Lisa Su is like the first person I like in that position for them).
I definitely hope AMD comes back, or gets bought out and injected full of money. But in the mean time there is no way I'm buying inferior stuff because I feel bad that some corporation sucks at running a business. I buy based on my budget and my budget is pretty high, thus I'll continue to buy Intel while they have the better performing desktop chips and lower power mobile chips.
This is still quite batlle betwen amd and intel....hey you intel people,who prefer intel ,i dont like intel ever - i dont know why, but yust this hear,,,,what will be if was no amd ??? You will be buying your i5 and i i7 and titan for at last x3 price ,ha ??? So,dont be so hard to amd . Lets yust see what will be and a competition is a good thing for common people....
So what, I'm supposed to support a company that perpetually fails at releasing competitive products?
I don't really care what anyone says, the moment AMD failed was the moment they decided to spend $5.4B on ATi. Literally every single analyst at the time said they overpaid for it. To make it worse, they sold off Imageon right after buying ATi. Qualcomm picked them up and now Qualcomm has the best Mobile-GPU's by a landslide. Anyway, since that moment they've been releasing subpar processors that are only competitive due to pricing. Which is fine if it's temporary, but it's not -- it's been what, 9 years since Core 2?
Imagine if that $5.4 went towards a Bulldozer in 2008 or 2009. Imagine if it went into their fabrication division and they actually competed with Intel instead of spinning off Global Foundaries. Imagine if they actually hired a competent CEO instead of the garbage they've been hiring (Lisa Su is like the first person I like in that position for them).
I definitely hope AMD comes back, or gets bought out and injected full of money. But in the mean time there is no way I'm buying inferior stuff because I feel bad that some corporation sucks at running a business. I buy based on my budget and my budget is pretty high, thus I'll continue to buy Intel while they have the better performing desktop chips and lower power mobile chips.
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#5116684 Posted on: 07/07/2015 08:21 PM
@ Fox -
APU's are bottom bin junk at the moment. They have higher TDP's and power usage than their Intel competition, and only offer ether competing performance at best, or far lower at worst. And I'm sorry, but no one gives two sh!ts about the iGPU's in most laptops as long as they are able to display the web, play videos, and the occasional Facebook/side scroller. You want to do heavy productivity you go to the cloud or other off-loading measures, you only need to be able to run the basic productivity suites, and run them well enough, for a mobile platform. This doesn't leave much room for HSA especially considering the additional power overhead. All that, and CPU performance leaves much to be desired for current APU's (and their power consumption for it).
Now that is out of the way, what's left? Bottom bin netbooks, and gaming laptops, both niche markets at this point with netbooks overtaken by Chromebooks and tablets. So that pretty much leaves gaming laptops. Now guess what, if someone is paying the large amount extra $$$ necessary for a gaming laptop, they are going to be looking for the large performance increase a dGPU brings for not much extra (note, the Kaveri in the following benchmark was paired with a fast SSD and DDR3-1866):
So where exactly is the market for a mobile APU? Exactly, that is what the OEM's haven't figured out either.
@ Fox -
APU's are bottom bin junk at the moment. They have higher TDP's and power usage than their Intel competition, and only offer ether competing performance at best, or far lower at worst. And I'm sorry, but no one gives two sh!ts about the iGPU's in most laptops as long as they are able to display the web, play videos, and the occasional Facebook/side scroller. You want to do heavy productivity you go to the cloud or other off-loading measures, you only need to be able to run the basic productivity suites, and run them well enough, for a mobile platform. This doesn't leave much room for HSA especially considering the additional power overhead. All that, and CPU performance leaves much to be desired for current APU's (and their power consumption for it).
Now that is out of the way, what's left? Bottom bin netbooks, and gaming laptops, both niche markets at this point with netbooks overtaken by Chromebooks and tablets. So that pretty much leaves gaming laptops. Now guess what, if someone is paying the large amount extra $$$ necessary for a gaming laptop, they are going to be looking for the large performance increase a dGPU brings for not much extra (note, the Kaveri in the following benchmark was paired with a fast SSD and DDR3-1866):
So where exactly is the market for a mobile APU? Exactly, that is what the OEM's haven't figured out either.
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AMD should show OEMs middle finger and make their own devices, at least some.
Because FX-7600p was not delivered, FX-8800p gets delivered in few poor configurations.
Those OEMs have no vision / understanding what APUs are for, or they are clearly sabotaging AMD.
Poor sales are because people are waiting and waiting till they give up and buy intel's device since those are available in any imaginable configuration.
I'll be waiting till That proper FX-8800p netbook is made. Intel does not have what I want and will not have it even in next year.