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AMD to Release NVMe RAID Support for X399 September 25th
More news coming AMD is that the X399 motherboards will be supporting Bootable NVME RAID. A nice free upgrade I'd say. AMD got some heat recently, not having this feature available.
So to hook into that last topic, the feature was not available just yet. AMD will be releasing a free NVMe driver for the X399 platform. The new driver will enabled RAID 0, 1 and 10 with up-to 10 devices. If you wanted to RAID three M2 SSDs, now you can. You could in theory also add M2 SSDs on a PCI-Express add-in card and have these join the RAID group. It is not yet known if the feature is a chipset function or a software based solution.
The good news is that the new RAID driver is bootable. This however will require a BIOS update. The driver and BIOS updates should become available starting September 25th.
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#5468358 Posted on: 09/01/2017 08:50 AM
I hardly can think of a consumer / user end scenario where you'd need to much write/read performance (if coming from one fast m2 unit), redundancy maybe. It became a bit of a thing with a click-bait article on the web, Intel had it AMD did not and then the flood-gates opened up.
Then again, for pro usage, video editing / content creation / virtualization with databases, that could be a help.In the end it's another good feature, but one that consumers would hardly use imho.
I am going to 100% use a RAID1 NVME setup for my game development work drive. When I work on my game engine and my game I can not afford to have a SSD or in this case a M.2 drive die on me while I work. I could be working on a bug for weeks and if I am about to fix it and then a drive dies it would be catastrophic. Of course I back up the drives but it is the real time work that is crucial to protect. Pretty much I have to work in RAID1 all the time, and with the speed of a M.2 NVME combined with Visual Studio and a half a million lines of code it is a amazing setup. Not to mention having all those 32 logical cores when you debug your game engine and game.
In short for a person like me that does game dev all day and also is a hard core gamer when I don't work having the option for a RAID1 M.2 setup and a third slot for you game drive is a amazing/perfect setup. AMD just made my day!
I hardly can think of a consumer / user end scenario where you'd need to much write/read performance (if coming from one fast m2 unit), redundancy maybe. It became a bit of a thing with a click-bait article on the web, Intel had it AMD did not and then the flood-gates opened up.
Then again, for pro usage, video editing / content creation / virtualization with databases, that could be a help.In the end it's another good feature, but one that consumers would hardly use imho.
I am going to 100% use a RAID1 NVME setup for my game development work drive. When I work on my game engine and my game I can not afford to have a SSD or in this case a M.2 drive die on me while I work. I could be working on a bug for weeks and if I am about to fix it and then a drive dies it would be catastrophic. Of course I back up the drives but it is the real time work that is crucial to protect. Pretty much I have to work in RAID1 all the time, and with the speed of a M.2 NVME combined with Visual Studio and a half a million lines of code it is a amazing setup. Not to mention having all those 32 logical cores when you debug your game engine and game.
In short for a person like me that does game dev all day and also is a hard core gamer when I don't work having the option for a RAID1 M.2 setup and a third slot for you game drive is a amazing/perfect setup. AMD just made my day!
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#5468900 Posted on: 09/03/2017 09:43 AM
Hmmm they can manage to put out raid drivers for nvme on x399 but still can't provide a trim enabled raid driver for the 990FX chipset
Hmmm they can manage to put out raid drivers for nvme on x399 but still can't provide a trim enabled raid driver for the 990FX chipset
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#5468958 Posted on: 09/03/2017 03:44 PM
I have yet to see any firmware or hardware RAID controller officially support TRIM. Do you know of any that does? Because otherwise your complaint is somewhat irrelevant.
If you're using Windows 7, you should know the OS is the real problem here. Windows 7 doesn't support TRIM on non-SATA IDE/AHCI controllers, period. Hardware RAID I'm not sure about - I guess that depends on the controller.
Windows 10 can do TRIM on RAID, but I don't know what the limitations are.
If you're running Linux, in most cases there is some way to force-enable TRIM, even on drives that aren't SSDs. Software RAID in general allows you to use TRIM.
If you insist on RAID'ing SSDs, take the easy way out and go with software RAID. Have a separate SSD for your boot drive (which will boot faster than a RAID0 array anyway). Remember - X399 comes with an integrated controller, so it's likely just firmware RAID. The only reason to use firmware RAID over software is if you intend to boot from the drive. Software RAID is otherwise better in every way. It allows your array to be portable, it should allow you to use TRIM, you don't have to worry about drivers, and it works on systems that don't support RAID.
Hmmm they can manage to put out raid drivers for nvme on x399 but still can't provide a trim enabled raid driver for the 990FX chipset
I have yet to see any firmware or hardware RAID controller officially support TRIM. Do you know of any that does? Because otherwise your complaint is somewhat irrelevant.
If you're using Windows 7, you should know the OS is the real problem here. Windows 7 doesn't support TRIM on non-SATA IDE/AHCI controllers, period. Hardware RAID I'm not sure about - I guess that depends on the controller.
Windows 10 can do TRIM on RAID, but I don't know what the limitations are.
If you're running Linux, in most cases there is some way to force-enable TRIM, even on drives that aren't SSDs. Software RAID in general allows you to use TRIM.
If you insist on RAID'ing SSDs, take the easy way out and go with software RAID. Have a separate SSD for your boot drive (which will boot faster than a RAID0 array anyway). Remember - X399 comes with an integrated controller, so it's likely just firmware RAID. The only reason to use firmware RAID over software is if you intend to boot from the drive. Software RAID is otherwise better in every way. It allows your array to be portable, it should allow you to use TRIM, you don't have to worry about drivers, and it works on systems that don't support RAID.
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#5469018 Posted on: 09/03/2017 07:55 PM
Mine is of the firmware variety because I boot from it and I run Windows 10 pro x64 on it and I've tried the separate SSD as boot and it's slower not by much mind you but still slower than my RAID0 array
Mine is of the firmware variety because I boot from it and I run Windows 10 pro x64 on it and I've tried the separate SSD as boot and it's slower not by much mind you but still slower than my RAID0 array
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Amazing! Man I love AMD these days, so the X399 platform and mobos are perfect now.
Cool, I am going to run RAID1 on 2 NVME drives for my work drive/setup. I can't wait.