AMD to release 3rd Gen Threadripper processors this year already

#5647358 Posted on: 03/07/2019 03:15 PM

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When And took off, it TOOK OFF!

#5647378 Posted on: 03/07/2019 03:52 PM

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Its really not that surprising that they would want a Zen2 Threadripper on 7nm out there, as Ryzen 3000 would otherwise already eat into the lower-end parts of the previous Threadripper lineup, if the rumors of its specs are true.

#5647383 Posted on: 03/07/2019 04:00 PM

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For me it was obvious.... AMD will release it as soon as they can. they want to keep the momentum of Ryzen going and strike now when Intel doesn't have an answer.
Intel can quickly catch up with their massive R&D and AMD knows that.

#5647398 Posted on: 03/07/2019 04:32 PM

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Looking forward to upgrade my TR trusty 1950x

#5647422 Posted on: 03/07/2019 05:21 PM

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For me it was obvious.... AMD will release it as soon as they can. they want to keep the momentum of Ryzen going and strike now when Intel doesn't have an answer.
Intel can quickly catch up with their massive R&D and AMD knows that.
The only part I don't agree with is the word "quickly". Intel is struggling to keep up with their own plans that had little to do with AMD, to the point that they're contracting TSMC. Intel has more than enough money to make a major competitive product but they don't seem to be able to get it out fast enough.

#5647442 Posted on: 03/07/2019 06:00 PM

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Intels problem isn't actual processor R&D, that is probably done for two or three future generations at this point. Their main problem has been process technology, ie. 10nm. If that worked, Ice Lake would've been out years ago.
This is a topic AMD isn't dealing with at all, since they just outsource that to TSMC, so its not really anything comparable. Its also not really something you can make go much faster with more money, since this stuff just takes forever (and already costs billions).

Once 10nm is actually out and stable, I fully expect Intel to "strike" far faster. And with any luck their next process won't suffer from the same delays, with the lessons they learned from 10nm.
So perhaps they are finally over the "hump" soon when 10nm launches in mainstream, and quicker progress will resume, now that they actually have competition again.

On top of all that, Intel has gone on record to say that they'll be designing future CPU cores less dependent on the process architecture, so even if a future process is delayed again, hopefully the next core architecture won't be directly married to it, and they can release it on a different node if need be.

All that said, AMD is still "catching up" even with Zen2, the only thing AMD has going for them is throwing cores at people, which at least to me is getting old beyond a certain count in mainstream/enthusiast.

#5647449 Posted on: 03/07/2019 06:04 PM

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Intels problem isn't actual processor R&D, that is probably done for two or three future generations at this point. Their main problem has been process technology, ie. 10nm. If that worked, Ice Lake would've been out years ago.
This is a topic AMD isn't dealing with at all, since they just outsource that to TSMC, so its not really anything comparable. Its also not really something you can make go much faster with more money, since this stuff just takes forever (and already costs billions).

Once 10nm is actually out and stable, I fully expect Intel to "strike" far faster. And with any luck their next process won't suffer from the same delays, with the lessons they learned from 10nm.
So perhaps they are finally over the "hump" soon when 10nm launches in mainstream, and progress will resume, now that they actually have competition again.
I agree; that's pretty much what I meant, I just didn't phrase myself very well.
On top of all that, Intel has gone on record to say that they'll be designing future CPU cores less dependent on the process architecture, so even if a future process is delayed again, hopefully the next core architecture won't be directly married to it, and they can release it on a different node if need be.
I'm curious to see how that will turn out. The benefit you mentioned is a good one but node sizes aren't changing all that often anymore. I think the level of optimization Intel does with their nodes is what gets them such high clock speeds.

#5647455 Posted on: 03/07/2019 06:21 PM

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well "quickly" can mean quite a few different things. I definitely think that Intel will stop slacking and will get the 10nm process running by the end of the year.
I think in 2020 we will see a good Intel product. 2019 is the time for AMD to shine.

because Intel literally has their own fabs they are a lot more flexible in terms of changing processes and speeding things up. for AMD/Nvidia they basically rely on TSMC/GF if they miss their targets/goals or choose to focus on a different node/market(GF dropping 7nm plans, TSMC prioritizing mobile). there isn't much to be done.

#5647471 Posted on: 03/07/2019 06:55 PM

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32c64t TR 3950x? What can Intel do?

#5647512 Posted on: 03/07/2019 08:13 PM

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I think we might even get 48 core this time.

#5647514 Posted on: 03/07/2019 08:17 PM

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Probably have another record year

#5647515 Posted on: 03/07/2019 08:21 PM

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Lol yeah - they made personnel changes that will yield improvements a year or so from now but in the meantime their massive clout & entrenchment in the industry gives them so much time to maneuver. It doesn't help that AMD is having a hell of at time getting these products into OEM channels.

We'll probably find out that Intel is just paying companies to avoid AMD again. The last time it cost them ~1.3B fine for 90% marketshare. Basically a bargain deal even if the fine was 5x as much.

#5647697 Posted on: 03/08/2019 09:31 AM

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Its good we get great CPU´s from AMD and hopefully good priced but current GPU´s are not kind of hardware i want to pair with it.

#5647828 Posted on: 03/08/2019 05:23 PM

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"strike now when Intel doesn't have an answer.
Intel can quickly catch up with their massive R&D and AMD knows that."

keep dreaming... not if have the fundamentally wrong archiecture for the current playing field. That takes many years - irrespective of budget, & same goes for serious GPUs.

Intel should have adopted MCM ages ago - even their engineers said so, but they pretty much said openly that desktop was dying and they had sexier markets to chase - so they just used their long amortised monolithic architecture as a gravy train, and got sucker punched by Zen MCM.

As we see, the 8700k pretty much maxed out the architecture at 6c/12T - its successors have been a yawn which add downsides in equal measure with upsides - anything ot get max ipc on a few cores - to yield a good sound bite for their corner case advantage over MCM.

MCM give plenty of cores, but has inherent lag, & effect on IPC. For anything threaded, intel get shredded.

#5647834 Posted on: 03/08/2019 05:42 PM

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...All that said, AMD is still "catching up" even with Zen2, the only thing AMD has going for them is throwing cores at people, which at least to me is getting old beyond a certain count in mainstream/enthusiast.

I'd suggest that with the IPC and additional architectural changes for Zen2 that have been well described, and for some time, the 'old' 'throwing more cores' is almost certainly not the only positive change we'll see.
Intel, of course, did have an IPC advantage for some time - and an advantage that was eagerly waved time and time again. Providing sources are correct (we all hope), it seems that this advantage will, at the very least and finally, be nullified.