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AMD Socket AM4 Coming Up Inevitably usable for Zen
Some new documents have surfaced on the web, the slides contain information about the AMD Socket AM4 and explain the transition towards Zen based processors (which are expected 2nd half next year). AM4 will be the new desktop socket for AMD. Information indicates that in March (say CeBIT timeframe) we'll see motherboards based on the new socket. AM4 will transition from Excavator architecture towards Zen architecture.
A lot is riding on Zen alright. AM4 will be the slot to use for both APUs and many multi-core processors. Bristol Ridge will likely be the first processor to be used, the followup of the Carrizo APU. The Socket AM4 Desktop platform will support DDR4 RAM memory and FP4 would be the soldered socket for mobile platforms (supporting both DDR3 and DDR4). Bristol Ridge will have up to four CPU cores with TDP ranges from 45W to 65W and thus with support for DDR4 memory (2400 MHz). Later in 2016 AMD will launch their Zen architecture multi-core CPUs, which feature the company's next-gen, performance-focused CPU cores.
AMD, Zen's main focus will be on increasing per-core performance rather than core count or multi-threading performance. Zen architecture will be built on a more efficient 14 nanometer process, rather than the 32 nm and 28 nm processes of previous AMD FX CPUs and AMD APUs. The "Summit Ridge" Zen family will also feature a unified AM4 socket with its GPU-equipped "Raven Ridge" APU counterparts, and feature DDR4 support and a 95W TDP. Zen does not support DDR3, only 7th generation AMD APUs (also fitting the AMD AM4 unified socket) support DDR3 and DDR4.
Anyway, have a peek at the slides below.
Sources: Benchlife.info, Planet 3DNow
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#5204063 Posted on: 12/10/2015 11:48 PM
I hope Zen is good i would love to go back to the red team even though i love my intel last couple of builds
I hope Zen is good i would love to go back to the red team even though i love my intel last couple of builds
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#5204064 Posted on: 12/10/2015 11:49 PM
So, the desktop Zen CPU's will require a whole new motherboard and memory setup. For me, that means no upgrade until my current system just can't handle newer games any more, which might not be for another 4 or 5 years. That has always been my procedure anyway. I don't care about 60fps at max settings. If I can play the game fluidly (which means at a steady 25-30 fps) at low settings, that's good enough.
I'm happy to see that AMD is upping their game and hope that it results in a healthy rebound for them. I see no reason why it won't. I just won't be jumping on board for a while.
So, the desktop Zen CPU's will require a whole new motherboard and memory setup. For me, that means no upgrade until my current system just can't handle newer games any more, which might not be for another 4 or 5 years. That has always been my procedure anyway. I don't care about 60fps at max settings. If I can play the game fluidly (which means at a steady 25-30 fps) at low settings, that's good enough.
I'm happy to see that AMD is upping their game and hope that it results in a healthy rebound for them. I see no reason why it won't. I just won't be jumping on board for a while.
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#5204124 Posted on: 12/11/2015 03:18 AM
Unfortunatelly for you nobody cares about what fps you want in today games and what you expect from the old systems.
If you dont care about performance stay with your old system.Some of us wants a real performance and a real competition.
Its a new architecture CPU ofc need a new platform,no hard to understand.
Unfortunatelly for you nobody cares about what fps you want in today games and what you expect from the old systems.
If you dont care about performance stay with your old system.Some of us wants a real performance and a real competition.
Its a new architecture CPU ofc need a new platform,no hard to understand.
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#5204162 Posted on: 12/11/2015 06:26 AM
people say intel is too far ahead, I actually think its the best moment for amd, intel is just idling now, they are focused on mobile and efficiency whatever, sandy bridge is still going strong 4 generations later there's plenty of people who see no need to upgrade and with good reasons, just see how laptops are now challenging desktops in performance, to me that's not laptops getting faster, its just desktops being stuck, while intel refines the tech so it can use less and less power, essentially fitting what was a desktop cpu in 2012 in terms of performance on a laptop today, now AMD can come and use the 14nm process to build up some muscle which is what we want here, and I really hope they succeed, we need intel to come up with another core 2 series in desperation
people say intel is too far ahead, I actually think its the best moment for amd, intel is just idling now, they are focused on mobile and efficiency whatever, sandy bridge is still going strong 4 generations later there's plenty of people who see no need to upgrade and with good reasons, just see how laptops are now challenging desktops in performance, to me that's not laptops getting faster, its just desktops being stuck, while intel refines the tech so it can use less and less power, essentially fitting what was a desktop cpu in 2012 in terms of performance on a laptop today, now AMD can come and use the 14nm process to build up some muscle which is what we want here, and I really hope they succeed, we need intel to come up with another core 2 series in desperation
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One of the hidden costs going Intel is not just that the cpu's are more expensive, but also the motherboards. Intel changes sockets like I change socks...
What I find most interesting about Zen is that AMD projects a 40% IPC improvement over its current FX cpus--an improvement that is 100% architecture related and doesn't depend on a process shrink. I might find that a bit too much to swallow except for the explanation--Zen will be the first AMD cpus to use SMT...! It will easily do for AMD's cpus what it did for Intel's--that's what makes the 40% claim believable. We shall see in only a few more months...
Not true whatsoever.
Intel has a wide range of motherboards, from budget to higher end. Once you set your system up, there's not much need to replace the motherboard. You're not forced to upgrade your processor every generation. AMD might have kept the same socket for a long time, but that's irrelevant when the performance hasn't been there. My 3570K is still going strong after 3 + years of use, and while I'd have to upgrade the motherboard to go for a faster CPU -- it's still considerably faster for my needs than literally anything available from AMD. When Ivy was first released you could buy a Z77 for around £80-100 and expect a stable, 4.4 - 4.6ghz OC from it without a problem. The same has held true for pretty much every generation of board released since. That's not even getting into the 'budget' categories like the H61 upward.