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Guru3D.com » News » AMD Shows prototype Ryzen with 3D V-CACHE - Game Perf up 15%

AMD Shows prototype Ryzen with 3D V-CACHE - Game Perf up 15%

by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 06/01/2021 12:31 PM | source: | 32 comment(s)
AMD Shows prototype Ryzen with 3D V-CACHE - Game Perf up 15%

AMD during its keynot showed a prototype CPU that adopted the latest cache mounting technology "3D V-CACHE, and that means stacked. The company announced that it will start production at the end of 2021.

At AMD's keynote they announced "3D V-CACHE," which is the latest technology for CPUs, which stacks SRAM caches on dies . A prototype model based on the Ryzen 9 5900X was unveiled. AMD's CEO Lisa Su showed the prototype of a Ryzen 9 5900X in which the cache was already stacked on a CCD. The 64 MB additional cache takes up a space of 6 mm × 6 mm and would find its place in series on both CCDs. In the end, this is 96 MB L3 cache per CCD, a total of 192 MB for a 12- or 16-core processor.

"3D V-CACHE" adopts the silicon penetration via method, which enables higher density of transistors compared to the conventional method. In addition, problems with thermal characteristics and transistor density can be dramatically improved.

The prototype CPU used in this demo has 64MB of SRAM added to each CCD, and is equipped with a large capacity cache of 96MB per CCD (conventional 32MB + 64MB SRAM) and 192MB per CPU. This improves game performance by an average of 15%, despite the exact same number of cores/threads and operating clock (fixed at 4GHz). Production of the new CPU that uses "3D V-CACHE" is scheduled to begin at the end of 2021.



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Undying
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#5916851 Posted on: 06/01/2021 01:48 PM
AMD glued together 2 dies. Now glued on top a ram module, literally if you see the video :D


As long it improves performance they can glue whatever they want. :P

I dont see it hits the market until zen4.

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#5916853 Posted on: 06/01/2021 01:52 PM
be red hot though, hot enough as it is latest cpus

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#5916860 Posted on: 06/01/2021 02:44 PM
I'm wary of this trend of increasingly huge caches. A bigger cache has more bandwidth but worse latency. We're reaching a point where we basically just have on-die RAM. The APUs need the bandwidth, but even then, a few dozen MB here and there isn't enough when you consider how big textures are getting.


They did kinda with Broadwell-DT chips, that featured 128MB of EDRAM, that when not used for graphics acted as an L4 cache for the cpu. It showed a significant performance increase in games when used as a cache. I'm not sure why they didn't pursue it further.

This^^ The concept was good and eveybody praised it but Intel considered the added EDRAM too expensive and removed it from newer models...

It's crazy because back then, Intel was raking in around $11 billion in net revenue, when AMD was taking losses. In either case, if Intel were that concerned about the price, couldn't they just simply make it more expensive?
The other crazy thing about it is Intel had very competitive performance with their iGPUs, simply because of that cache. Intel could have made a decent dent in the dGPU market years ago. It's almost as though they're trying to shoot themselves in the foot...

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#5916879 Posted on: 06/01/2021 03:40 PM
The other crazy thing about it is Intel had very competitive performance with their iGPUs, simply because of that cache. Intel could have made a decent dent in the dGPU market years ago. It's almost as though they're trying to shoot themselves in the foot...


A textbook case of Intel´s greed, where they simply choose to can a good product with tons of potencial, only to milk customers a few more cents...

This works when they are the only player in town but when someone else appears...

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#5916881 Posted on: 06/01/2021 03:46 PM
A textbook case of Intel´s greed, where they simply choose to can a good product with tons of potencial, only to milk customers a few more cents...

This works when they are the only player in town but when someone else appears...
Well that's the part I find so confusing: they could have charged whatever they wanted for those Broadwells, and now is a better time than ever for them to explode their cache size (now that they're no longer #1), yet they don't.

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