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AMD Ryzen Processors can possibly OC to 5 GHz On Air
Well, let's hope the hype is real or else people will get disappointed. Last week a publication from CanardPC already revealed benchmarks from AMD's upcoming 8-core RYZEN processor, this week they claim to reach 5 GHz on air cooling.
If you read through the magazine you'll spot on page 10 that Ryzen chips will be able to achieve overclocks of at least 5 GHz on air. The fun thing is, they embedded it as a riddle as the author of the article embedded a hidden message, look at the top of this page and do you notice two digit 0 and 1 string just above the photo?
They hid some info with with a simple binary string ():
010110100110010101101110010011110100001101000000010000010110100101110010001111010011010101000111
Converted (try yourself here) that reads: ZenOC@Air=5G We should mention that the content they released is based on an engineering sample processor. It is intersting that they hid it that way, but it does raise many questions as well. You simply need to wonderr, was that with 8 cores @ 5 GHz or just say 2?, was it stable enough to run a hefty benchmark or just a bootup of the OS, what voltage was needed, what wattage did it run into? and most importantly how hot did that CPU run?
The article raises more questions then it answers to be brutally honest, and at this point I think it be part of an actual AMD viral. Regardless, all signs are good for AMD Ryzen and IF the clocks indeed can pass 4 GHz that easily, AMD might have struck gold.
- Oh and gosh, what a lovely riddle ! :)
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#5377500 Posted on: 01/03/2017 03:31 AM
I believe AMD will never or should never say, "AM3 heat sinks are compatible with AM4 motherboard". It will be more responsible to say, "AMD wraith cooler is compatible with am3 and am4."
It is reported that through board mounting holes have changed. The holes were 96 x 48 mm pitch and now reported at 90 x 54 mm pitch. New slotted brackets are already showing up.
If you look at leaked images of AM4 boards closely you will there there is a redesign of the bars that the Stock AMD coolers mount to. If you look even closer you may notice a subtle but significant change to those bars.
The bars used with am3 , fm2 etc have the latch point for the retention beam inline with the mounting screws. With the new bars there is an offset between the mounting screws and where it is believed the wraith cooler latches. This means with the same force applied by the retention beam, an additional force or more correctly an addition moment (lever type force) is applied to the bars. AMD can control how stiff their beam is (or how much force their beam applies to the mounts). They have no control over how other cooler manufacturers make their beam.
The back plate that I have seen with motherboards for AMD chips would seem to do a good job reinforcing the board. I don't know it that is on all budget boards. It is also possible that some user has a board without that plate (just using some other screw nut combination).
If the board substrate is not strong enough or a back plate is not used, even if a cooler was mounted to an AM3 boards successfully that same mounting configuration could break the AM4 board due to the additional stresses caused by the moment generated by the offset.
That would lead to headline like, "AM3 cooler breaks AM4 motherboard". Anyone remember seeing visions of broken Skylake chips from cooler mountings.
Coolers that use a retention beam like the wraith or Cooler Master hyper T series, etc will have to validate their own mounting system with AM4. Many will most likely fit. Many will most likely work and not break the motherboard.
However I can also foresee some mod'er having tweeked some retention beam to apply extra force to minimize thermal paste for better cooling. If that damages the motherboard they will point fingers saying it worked on AM3+ it should have worked on my AM4.
This is especially true if you think of how many cooler have be made and used over the many years for this interface. A blanket statement made to cover all of those would be difficult.
I believe AMD will never or should never say, "AM3 heat sinks are compatible with AM4 motherboard". It will be more responsible to say, "AMD wraith cooler is compatible with am3 and am4."
It is reported that through board mounting holes have changed. The holes were 96 x 48 mm pitch and now reported at 90 x 54 mm pitch. New slotted brackets are already showing up.
If you look at leaked images of AM4 boards closely you will there there is a redesign of the bars that the Stock AMD coolers mount to. If you look even closer you may notice a subtle but significant change to those bars.
The bars used with am3 , fm2 etc have the latch point for the retention beam inline with the mounting screws. With the new bars there is an offset between the mounting screws and where it is believed the wraith cooler latches. This means with the same force applied by the retention beam, an additional force or more correctly an addition moment (lever type force) is applied to the bars. AMD can control how stiff their beam is (or how much force their beam applies to the mounts). They have no control over how other cooler manufacturers make their beam.
The back plate that I have seen with motherboards for AMD chips would seem to do a good job reinforcing the board. I don't know it that is on all budget boards. It is also possible that some user has a board without that plate (just using some other screw nut combination).
If the board substrate is not strong enough or a back plate is not used, even if a cooler was mounted to an AM3 boards successfully that same mounting configuration could break the AM4 board due to the additional stresses caused by the moment generated by the offset.
That would lead to headline like, "AM3 cooler breaks AM4 motherboard". Anyone remember seeing visions of broken Skylake chips from cooler mountings.
Coolers that use a retention beam like the wraith or Cooler Master hyper T series, etc will have to validate their own mounting system with AM4. Many will most likely fit. Many will most likely work and not break the motherboard.
However I can also foresee some mod'er having tweeked some retention beam to apply extra force to minimize thermal paste for better cooling. If that damages the motherboard they will point fingers saying it worked on AM3+ it should have worked on my AM4.
This is especially true if you think of how many cooler have be made and used over the many years for this interface. A blanket statement made to cover all of those would be difficult.
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#5377508 Posted on: 01/03/2017 03:51 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5lnxxu/ryzen-can-do-42-44-ghz-on-all-cores-buildzoid/
Buildzoid/Flank3r confirms 4.2 - 4.4Ghz @ 8/16 - pretty good. Similar to what the 6900K gets - so if the IPC is similar it's all going to come down to price.
Quite funny that Buildzoid gives more credit to the Czech Republic source than Canard PC, which is top3 major tech magazine of France.
The guys at CanardPC have several RYZEN proc. samples.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5lnxxu/ryzen-can-do-42-44-ghz-on-all-cores-buildzoid/
Buildzoid/Flank3r confirms 4.2 - 4.4Ghz @ 8/16 - pretty good. Similar to what the 6900K gets - so if the IPC is similar it's all going to come down to price.
Quite funny that Buildzoid gives more credit to the Czech Republic source than Canard PC, which is top3 major tech magazine of France.
The guys at CanardPC have several RYZEN proc. samples.
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#5377509 Posted on: 01/03/2017 04:00 AM
Quite funny that Buildzoid gives more credit to the Czech Republic source than Canard PC, which is top3 major tech magazine of France.
The guys at CanardPC have several RYZEN proc. samples.
I thought it was already confirmed that the CanardPC results (5ghz) were on 1 core?
Quite funny that Buildzoid gives more credit to the Czech Republic source than Canard PC, which is top3 major tech magazine of France.
The guys at CanardPC have several RYZEN proc. samples.
I thought it was already confirmed that the CanardPC results (5ghz) were on 1 core?
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#5377510 Posted on: 01/03/2017 04:05 AM
I'm curious if you can make manual overclock to like 4.2Ghz , and still keep turbo for higher clocks for few cores.
I'm curious if you can make manual overclock to like 4.2Ghz , and still keep turbo for higher clocks for few cores.
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Not all AM3 cooler brackets will work with am4. Die is still 40x40mm. Through board holes spacing has changed. Cooler retention bars have been redesigned to allow stock wraith cooler to work with am4 and am3. Most coolers that engage the bars will work. Beware of cheap motherboards without back plate as different force will be created in board do to bar redesign.
Alphacool Eisblock XPX CPU - Intel/AMD now supports AM4
The manual now shows the AMD bracket slotted for the new AM4 mounting hole positions.
MSI Core Frozr L is reported as supporting AM4 listed in specs and/or features. Looking at mounting instructions you can see similar slot allowing for both 96 x 48 and 90 x 54 (approx.) in the back plate.
Thanks for the clarifications. I have done more research and noticed a lot of this myself. Pretty annoying considering I already bought a heatsink, BUT, thankfully the CPU cooler I bought just happens to support the stock mounting AM3 bracket. I really lucked out there.
I figure worst case scenario, it shouldn't be too hard to modify existing brackets and/or go on ebay and find a converter.