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AMD Ryzen Gets Delidded - And It Is a Tricky Thing to Do
We mentioned in our reviews that you should not delid AMD Ryzen processors for the sheer fact that even the heatspreader has sensors and that it is soldered. Next to that AMD did the cooling part rather well so the benefits of a lower temperatures versus the risk of bricking that processor might not be worth it.
Well, that thesis has been confirmed, pro-overclocker der8auer took a Ryzen 7 1700 (well actually multiple of them) and delidded Ryzen 7 to see what was hiding behind the Integrated Heatspreader (IHS). It took der8auer multiple attemempts to get a succesful delidded processor. To be more precise, it actually it took him three processors hence we can already conclude that the process is very risky.
In the end he succeeded though, in the photos below (clock thumbnails) you can see a Ryzen 7 1700 CPU delidded. You will notice a solder layer that ties directly to the IHS. Looking att he processor you can see multiple capacitors, all nicely covered by some sort of silicone protective layer, so AMD certainly went all the way here.
So what weas the end-reult delidding and cooling ? Well, der8auer shows it in a video, but the he achieved a drop of 2 degrees C lower on overall temperatures with a cooler sitting directly on top of the processor die. In short, and what we have been saying. Please do not delid the processor guys, chances are high you'll damage it and the temperature drop certainly doiesn't justify you bricking the processor or loosing warranty.
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#5405285 Posted on: 03/11/2017 02:49 PM
You used an improper pronoun for capacitor.
Perhaps you wanted to say capacitors.
If you want to go on we can do it privately, it is not even a matter of pronoun but singular / plural, I know the difference, English isn't my language, I was writing very fast during a coffe break at work. It's different from having a site and writing a technical post and not doing a grammar error but writing 2 different chemical element/compound with 2 almost opposite functions. And I didn't want to do the professor, just wanted to help to correct the post. I really appreciate this site, even if I don't post as you can see it's from 14years (at least) that daily I follow the site. It's a common error if you're not aware what are you talking about (That's not absolutely the case of the author of this article), there are many films (007, Alien..) that wrongly translate silicon with silicone in my native language.
Besides this, it's not a matter of being evil. Intel is a company and what want to do is only 1 thing: profit. If there isn't any need to hurry or to lower price they act consequently. Intel did a bad product with Pentium4 and AMD took market, than AMD failed and Intel did his job, now AMD has a great product.
I'd like to see the answer from Intel in next year, you can't do a revolution on your schedule so easily
You used an improper pronoun for capacitor.
Perhaps you wanted to say capacitors.
If you want to go on we can do it privately, it is not even a matter of pronoun but singular / plural, I know the difference, English isn't my language, I was writing very fast during a coffe break at work. It's different from having a site and writing a technical post and not doing a grammar error but writing 2 different chemical element/compound with 2 almost opposite functions. And I didn't want to do the professor, just wanted to help to correct the post. I really appreciate this site, even if I don't post as you can see it's from 14years (at least) that daily I follow the site. It's a common error if you're not aware what are you talking about (That's not absolutely the case of the author of this article), there are many films (007, Alien..) that wrongly translate silicon with silicone in my native language.
Besides this, it's not a matter of being evil. Intel is a company and what want to do is only 1 thing: profit. If there isn't any need to hurry or to lower price they act consequently. Intel did a bad product with Pentium4 and AMD took market, than AMD failed and Intel did his job, now AMD has a great product.
I'd like to see the answer from Intel in next year, you can't do a revolution on your schedule so easily
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#5405306 Posted on: 03/11/2017 04:18 PM
I dont think delidding this cpu is really worth it for a 2c drop in temperature and he already wasted 2 cpus trying this, Not something I would ever risk doing as knowing me I will mess up, If you really want a cool cpu water is probably your best bet and less risky.
I dont think delidding this cpu is really worth it for a 2c drop in temperature and he already wasted 2 cpus trying this, Not something I would ever risk doing as knowing me I will mess up, If you really want a cool cpu water is probably your best bet and less risky.
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#5405384 Posted on: 03/11/2017 09:22 PM
No development is degeneration. Intel developed this tech a decade ago, and ever since hasn't bothered to develop anything but the process technology since AMD utterly failed with its previous generation. Intel didn't become an "evil entity" now when AMD released its product. What on Earth would make you say such a strange thing? Intel become the greedy money loving and development hating entity when they stopped offering better products for the same or cheaper price, which is how the computer industry used to progress (just look at GPUs even today: 1080Ti offers the same power as a much more expensive Titan just a year ago).
If I had got a 6-core i5k when I replaced an Ivy Bridge i5k with a Skylake i5k, I'd have been a happy dude and you wouldn't have seen my 30 Intel badmouthing posts over here. But no, jumping over two whole Intel CPU generations I got a 4c/4t to replace a 4c/4t and maybe 10% IPC gain under optimal circumstances. The price was a bit higher as well, as expected of inflation checks. And yet you are telling me Intel isn't evil.
You must be an Intel stock owner enjoying dividends. Good for you.
It's simply that Intel is a business in this to make profit. Consumers decide whether the pricing is fair or not with their wallets.
No development is degeneration. Intel developed this tech a decade ago, and ever since hasn't bothered to develop anything but the process technology since AMD utterly failed with its previous generation. Intel didn't become an "evil entity" now when AMD released its product. What on Earth would make you say such a strange thing? Intel become the greedy money loving and development hating entity when they stopped offering better products for the same or cheaper price, which is how the computer industry used to progress (just look at GPUs even today: 1080Ti offers the same power as a much more expensive Titan just a year ago).
If I had got a 6-core i5k when I replaced an Ivy Bridge i5k with a Skylake i5k, I'd have been a happy dude and you wouldn't have seen my 30 Intel badmouthing posts over here. But no, jumping over two whole Intel CPU generations I got a 4c/4t to replace a 4c/4t and maybe 10% IPC gain under optimal circumstances. The price was a bit higher as well, as expected of inflation checks. And yet you are telling me Intel isn't evil.
You must be an Intel stock owner enjoying dividends. Good for you.
It's simply that Intel is a business in this to make profit. Consumers decide whether the pricing is fair or not with their wallets.
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If all of the capacitor are covered on a silicon layer they would be all shorted together (and everything to GND I suppose).
Maybe you wanted to say silicone.
You used an improper pronoun for capacitor.
Perhaps you wanted to say capacitors.