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AMD Ryzen Gets Delidded - And It Is a Tricky Thing to Do
We mentioned in our reviews that you should not delid AMD Ryzen processors for the sheer fact that even the heatspreader has sensors and that it is soldered. Next to that AMD did the cooling part rather well so the benefits of a lower temperatures versus the risk of bricking that processor might not be worth it.
Well, that thesis has been confirmed, pro-overclocker der8auer took a Ryzen 7 1700 (well actually multiple of them) and delidded Ryzen 7 to see what was hiding behind the Integrated Heatspreader (IHS). It took der8auer multiple attemempts to get a succesful delidded processor. To be more precise, it actually it took him three processors hence we can already conclude that the process is very risky.
In the end he succeeded though, in the photos below (clock thumbnails) you can see a Ryzen 7 1700 CPU delidded. You will notice a solder layer that ties directly to the IHS. Looking att he processor you can see multiple capacitors, all nicely covered by some sort of silicone protective layer, so AMD certainly went all the way here.
So what weas the end-reult delidding and cooling ? Well, der8auer shows it in a video, but the he achieved a drop of 2 degrees C lower on overall temperatures with a cooler sitting directly on top of the processor die. In short, and what we have been saying. Please do not delid the processor guys, chances are high you'll damage it and the temperature drop certainly doiesn't justify you bricking the processor or loosing warranty.
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#5405195 Posted on: 03/11/2017 05:54 AM
I'd like 2 add a few questions too.
So, a company overprices its products, buys out the competition in numerous sectors, halts development for profit/proliferation, blatantly publishes reports of billions in profit after expenses, and still has majority market share.
Points to prove the above -
market evaluation reports
Forum sig
Fabrication process of chips / chip density / pricing
Acquisition of tech companies
Anything i got wrong here?
I'd like 2 add a few questions too.
So, a company overprices its products, buys out the competition in numerous sectors, halts development for profit/proliferation, blatantly publishes reports of billions in profit after expenses, and still has majority market share.
Points to prove the above -
market evaluation reports
Forum sig
Fabrication process of chips / chip density / pricing
Acquisition of tech companies
Anything i got wrong here?
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#5405198 Posted on: 03/11/2017 06:17 AM
So Intel has been gouging you? I disagree.
6 years ago, Intel was already selling you processors that could do this for about $200-350. (even a $130 Sandy i3 is fair) They've been pretty stagnant in development since but clearly the best. You could have been enjoying this performance for years. Look at all the Sandy Bridges still in use at Guru3D.
Meanwhile, AMD has been selling reasonably priced, powerful space heaters. Now they finally have a new processor that can meet and sometimes beat Intel so Intel is clearly an evil entity that should have been giving away their processors for years.
Whatever.
So Intel has been gouging you? I disagree.
6 years ago, Intel was already selling you processors that could do this for about $200-350. (even a $130 Sandy i3 is fair) They've been pretty stagnant in development since but clearly the best. You could have been enjoying this performance for years. Look at all the Sandy Bridges still in use at Guru3D.
Meanwhile, AMD has been selling reasonably priced, powerful space heaters. Now they finally have a new processor that can meet and sometimes beat Intel so Intel is clearly an evil entity that should have been giving away their processors for years.
Whatever.
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#5405212 Posted on: 03/11/2017 08:35 AM
Ok, i understand your opinion. It is fair to say, resonable prices and relative competitive products are interrelated. One can't exist without the other. Isn't that what is accepted by everyone, i assume.
Also, Denial's perspective of what would be happening of the competition if this company was selling its products at the minimum margin of profit is mind bending too.
Then, in regards to being the best, at the time availability, what actually do we see "best" as, comes into play. Each consumer expects a said lvl of performance for his money, comparing with past trends in tech-progress.
Doesn't it ring a bell when the pioneers of this tech-sector are milking the entire market for nearly a decade, using the same rebranded product, and still have the financial prowess (funded by that milked sheep) to further claim themselves as "the pioneer sponsors of tomorrow", while inventing another product that again says " go f u c k yourself " every tick tock?
Ok, i understand your opinion. It is fair to say, resonable prices and relative competitive products are interrelated. One can't exist without the other. Isn't that what is accepted by everyone, i assume.
Also, Denial's perspective of what would be happening of the competition if this company was selling its products at the minimum margin of profit is mind bending too.
Then, in regards to being the best, at the time availability, what actually do we see "best" as, comes into play. Each consumer expects a said lvl of performance for his money, comparing with past trends in tech-progress.
Doesn't it ring a bell when the pioneers of this tech-sector are milking the entire market for nearly a decade, using the same rebranded product, and still have the financial prowess (funded by that milked sheep) to further claim themselves as "the pioneer sponsors of tomorrow", while inventing another product that again says " go f u c k yourself " every tick tock?
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#5405226 Posted on: 03/11/2017 10:00 AM
So Intel has been gouging you? I disagree.
6 years ago, Intel was already selling you processors that could do this for about $200-350. (even a $130 Sandy i3 is fair) They've been pretty stagnant in development since but clearly the best. You could have been enjoying this performance for years. Look at all the Sandy Bridges still in use at Guru3D.
Meanwhile, AMD has been selling reasonably priced, powerful space heaters. Now they finally have a new processor that can meet and sometimes beat Intel so Intel is clearly an evil entity that should have been giving away their processors for years.
Whatever.
No development is degeneration. Intel developed this tech a decade ago, and ever since hasn't bothered to develop anything but the process technology since AMD utterly failed with its previous generation. Intel didn't become an "evil entity" now when AMD released its product. What on Earth would make you say such a strange thing? Intel become the greedy money loving and development hating entity when they stopped offering better products for the same or cheaper price, which is how the computer industry used to progress (just look at GPUs even today: 1080Ti offers the same power as a much more expensive Titan just a year ago).
If I had got a 6-core i5k when I replaced an Ivy Bridge i5k with a Skylake i5k, I'd have been a happy dude and you wouldn't have seen my 30 Intel badmouthing posts over here. But no, jumping over two whole Intel CPU generations I got a 4c/4t to replace a 4c/4t and maybe 10% IPC gain under optimal circumstances. The price was a bit higher as well, as expected of inflation checks. And yet you are telling me Intel isn't evil.
You must be an Intel stock owner enjoying dividends. Good for you.
So Intel has been gouging you? I disagree.
6 years ago, Intel was already selling you processors that could do this for about $200-350. (even a $130 Sandy i3 is fair) They've been pretty stagnant in development since but clearly the best. You could have been enjoying this performance for years. Look at all the Sandy Bridges still in use at Guru3D.
Meanwhile, AMD has been selling reasonably priced, powerful space heaters. Now they finally have a new processor that can meet and sometimes beat Intel so Intel is clearly an evil entity that should have been giving away their processors for years.
Whatever.
No development is degeneration. Intel developed this tech a decade ago, and ever since hasn't bothered to develop anything but the process technology since AMD utterly failed with its previous generation. Intel didn't become an "evil entity" now when AMD released its product. What on Earth would make you say such a strange thing? Intel become the greedy money loving and development hating entity when they stopped offering better products for the same or cheaper price, which is how the computer industry used to progress (just look at GPUs even today: 1080Ti offers the same power as a much more expensive Titan just a year ago).
If I had got a 6-core i5k when I replaced an Ivy Bridge i5k with a Skylake i5k, I'd have been a happy dude and you wouldn't have seen my 30 Intel badmouthing posts over here. But no, jumping over two whole Intel CPU generations I got a 4c/4t to replace a 4c/4t and maybe 10% IPC gain under optimal circumstances. The price was a bit higher as well, as expected of inflation checks. And yet you are telling me Intel isn't evil.
You must be an Intel stock owner enjoying dividends. Good for you.
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