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AMD Ryzen Chips 10% Smaller When Compared to Intel Skylake Dies

by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 02/07/2017 04:14 PM | source: | 28 comment(s)
AMD Ryzen Chips 10% Smaller When Compared to Intel Skylake Dies

AMD states its upcoming Ryzen core fits into a 10 percent smaller die area than Intel’s currently shipping second-generation 14nm processor. Analysts and even Intel engineers in the session said the Zen core is clearly competitive though many confidential variables will determine whether the die advantage translates into lower cost for AMD reports eetimes.

EEtimes: The paper detailed techniques AMD used to reduce switching capacitance by 15 percent compared to its existing chips. For example, Zen marked AMD’s first use of a metal-insulator-metal capacitor which helped lower operating voltages and provide greater per-core voltage and frequency control.

Engineers tracked on a weekly basis power benchmarks on high activity regions for more than a year to reduce switching capacitance. The company now has two eight-core designs running with simultaneous multithreading at 3.4 GHz.

Hilbert: one thing they are not taking into account is the lacking integrated GPU. On Intels side it eats up nearly a third of the die space. For AMD, they do not use an IGP - the entire die size is thus used for the actual processors.



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Prince Valiant
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#5389901 Posted on: 02/08/2017 12:55 AM
No it's not - Intel's process is more dense, it shows the specifications of it in the graph in the article. AMD's architecture is clearly more "compact" requiring less transistors for (hopefully) the same performance. This probably also factors into the power being lower.



I think the bigger effect on heat dissipation is lack of iGPU - but big Zen is also 8/16 so those chips will probably be similar in size to Intel's 4/8 + iGPU (since Zen doesn't have an iGPU). This is only a 4mm2 difference and less transistors should mean lower power anyway. Either way I don't think it's going to be an issue - as long as AMD doesn't glue their headspreader on with a 30 meter gap like Intel does.

As far as the second paragraph - Intel uses more size for a core, it's unknown whether that core is faster or not though. Also both companies seem to have no problem fitting up to 16+ cores and whatnot, so I don't think the difference is going to factor much into the total core count.
Did Intel ever bother with an attempt rationalize their decision on that?

Turchil
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#5389913 Posted on: 02/08/2017 01:38 AM
Also where is 2C and 2C/4T, where is mobile/ultramobile lineup?
If Zen cores are that capable why avoid attacking these more lucrative segments?t

AMD will be targeting mobile with Raven Ridge (4C/8T Zen-based APU with 1024 Stream Processors) shortly after Summit Ridge is released. We probably only hear about Summit Ridge lately because AMD and Hardware sites know that is what we have the most interest in.

ruthan
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#5389925 Posted on: 02/08/2017 03:13 AM
APu with 1024 stream processors would be simply Xbox one or PS4 - APU for CPU, i wonder why they didnt it 2 years ago, maybe some dont not attack deal with MS and Sony.

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