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AMD Ryzen Chips 10% Smaller When Compared to Intel Skylake Dies
AMD states its upcoming Ryzen core fits into a 10 percent smaller die area than Intel’s currently shipping second-generation 14nm processor. Analysts and even Intel engineers in the session said the Zen core is clearly competitive though many confidential variables will determine whether the die advantage translates into lower cost for AMD reports eetimes.
EEtimes: The paper detailed techniques AMD used to reduce switching capacitance by 15 percent compared to its existing chips. For example, Zen marked AMD’s first use of a metal-insulator-metal capacitor which helped lower operating voltages and provide greater per-core voltage and frequency control.
Engineers tracked on a weekly basis power benchmarks on high activity regions for more than a year to reduce switching capacitance. The company now has two eight-core designs running with simultaneous multithreading at 3.4 GHz.
Hilbert: one thing they are not taking into account is the lacking integrated GPU. On Intels side it eats up nearly a third of the die space. For AMD, they do not use an IGP - the entire die size is thus used for the actual processors.
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#5389861 Posted on: 02/07/2017 10:39 PM
Apparently AMD. And they want this puny 10% figure to be known.
As if everything else is same on the two chips they are comparing.
Also where is 2C and 2C/4T, where is mobile/ultramobile lineup?
If Zen cores are that capable why avoid attacking these more lucrative segments?
I am thinking these new AMD talking points might be very indicative. Remember they guided -11% next quarter. Something is fishy and they're not telling us what
The information was part of the presentation for their paper on Zen ("Zen: A Next-Generation High-Performance x86 Core") for the ISSCC 2017 conference. The target audience is the research community. This is how things work there. Nothing fishy, no marketing, no "they want this puny 10% figure to be known".
Apparently AMD. And they want this puny 10% figure to be known.
As if everything else is same on the two chips they are comparing.
Also where is 2C and 2C/4T, where is mobile/ultramobile lineup?
If Zen cores are that capable why avoid attacking these more lucrative segments?
I am thinking these new AMD talking points might be very indicative. Remember they guided -11% next quarter. Something is fishy and they're not telling us what
The information was part of the presentation for their paper on Zen ("Zen: A Next-Generation High-Performance x86 Core") for the ISSCC 2017 conference. The target audience is the research community. This is how things work there. Nothing fishy, no marketing, no "they want this puny 10% figure to be known".
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#5389868 Posted on: 02/07/2017 10:49 PM
Their internal clocks are about to strike December 21, 2012
...Something is fishy and they're not telling us what
Their internal clocks are about to strike December 21, 2012
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#5389873 Posted on: 02/07/2017 11:00 PM
It's still a talking point.
At least they could have indicated cores performance.
Pretty sure now that they are talking smaller die size, it means Intel still rules per core performance. I really am..
The information was part of the presentation for their paper on Zen ("Zen: A Next-Generation High-Performance x86 Core") for the ISSCC 2017 conference. The target audience is the research community. This is how things work there. Nothing fishy, no marketing, no "they want this puny 10% figure to be known".
It's still a talking point.
At least they could have indicated cores performance.
Pretty sure now that they are talking smaller die size, it means Intel still rules per core performance. I really am..
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#5389886 Posted on: 02/07/2017 11:44 PM
It's still a talking point.
At least they could have indicated cores performance.
Pretty sure now that they are talking smaller die size, it means Intel still rules per core performance. I really am..
I don't know what other information the presentation contained, only what those media outlets that were there reported about. Could be the same IPC figures we've seen on every previous talk. Usually the content varies depending on the audience, and with that particular conference the focus being on the fabrication would make sense. Concluding anything at all based on this information just seems beyond speculation to me.
It's still a talking point.
At least they could have indicated cores performance.
Pretty sure now that they are talking smaller die size, it means Intel still rules per core performance. I really am..
I don't know what other information the presentation contained, only what those media outlets that were there reported about. Could be the same IPC figures we've seen on every previous talk. Usually the content varies depending on the audience, and with that particular conference the focus being on the fabrication would make sense. Concluding anything at all based on this information just seems beyond speculation to me.
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Today, transistors are cheap, wires are expansive. You do not place transistors to minimize the die any-more, you place them to minimize the wires. Save some space to obtain a couple of dies of a wafer slice is no more a big issue compared to the wire cost.
But again, who cares which is smaller/bigger?
Apparently AMD. And they want this puny 10% figure to be known.
As if everything else is same on the two chips they are comparing.
Also where is 2C and 2C/4T, where is mobile/ultramobile lineup?
If Zen cores are that capable why avoid attacking these more lucrative segments?
I am thinking these new AMD talking points might be very indicative. Remember they guided -11% next quarter. Something is fishy and they're not telling us what