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AMD Ryzen and Threadripper Prices Over The Weekend Dropped Significantly
There is something going on, at the time of writing I can only speak for the EU and specifically Netherlands and Germany right now, but there have been price drops spotted on AMD Ryzen processors up-to 30%, Example, you can purchase an 8-core flagship Ryzen 7 1800X processor (normally €499) for roughly €340 euros.
The news reaches us through our Dutch colleagues at HWI, who had a couple of users notice it. They checked some Dutch and Germany based etailers. I took the search results towards Geizehals as well and noticed even lower prices. If this applies to your region, now might be a great time to purchase something Ryzen. The price drop seems to have an effect on the entire range. The below table courtesy to HWI shows the prices based on the Netherlands, however, if you browse for a 1800X at Geizhals, be surprised. €249 for 16 threads? €199 for 12 threads :-)
Maybe this is gearing up towards Black Friday sales? It'll be interesting to see if other EU etailers will follow soon, but something is brewing alright:
| Ryzen 7 | Ryzen 5 | Threadripper | |||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1800X | 1700X | 1700 | 1600X | 1600 | 1500X | 1950X | 1920X | 1900X | |
| Recommended retail price | $ 499 | $ 399 | $ 329 | $ 249 | $ 219 | $ 189 | $ 999 | $ 799 | $549 |
| Average price | € 479 | € 369 | € 317 | € 249 | € 216 | € 191 | € 1021 | € 809 | € 549 |
| Cheapest price | € 340 | € 290 | € 249 | € 214 | € 199 | € 169 | € 830 | € 670 | € 470 |
| Discount | 29% | 21% | 21% | 14% | 8% | 12% | 19% | 17% | 14% |
Update: we have received reports from the Nordics and the UK that the price drops are in effect there as well. USA Newegg is also showing lower prices. And a report from Australia just came in as well, this is a worldwide price drop. We asked, but AMD has no comments currently on what we are seeing.
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#5494082 Posted on: 11/20/2017 05:16 PM
Black friday prices, I guess? Or week? Komplett is having 10-18% sales on Ryzen CPUs...
RAM is absurd though... 16gb RAM costs more than the Ryzen 5 1600X atm... And you can easily find other kits that are more expensive.
I would look at upgrading now, but RAM is just too expensive for it to make sense.
This is what I have been trying to drive into everybody's thick heads, and I am a voice in the wilderness. It bugs me folks dont get it, because not getting it will lead to many regrettable and unfix-able purchases.
I guess I lack the verbal skills.
The days of affordable large dram memory are over for years to come - at least thru 2018 (manufacturers own estimates). True, same is so for nand used in ssdS, but much cheaper.
Only amd TR/epyc/vega offer a sort of solution, and that is to use fast raid0 nvme arrays to swap out maxed out system/gpu ram contents to.
Our PCs always have and always will swap out to storage at some point.
We have simply dodged the unpleasant consequences by adding more and more ram so its a ~rare occurrence.
That option is beginning to die, as we are seeing from the pained comments here.
If an optimal solution is impossibly dear, then we must consider the best sub-optimal one which is.
Sure storage is slower than ram.
A ~$US140 256GB Evo nvme is 3200MB/s read. But the good news is its 32x - THAT'S 32X - faster than what we traditionally associate with storage speeds on sata hddS, and 6x a sata ssd.
Most sensible TR mobos offer 3 full strength nvme ports onboard, and amd include raid capability and ample lanes on TR.
So it can seamlessly triple that speed and capacity, for a massive 750GB ~9000MB/s read/~6000MBs write scratch file for ~$420.
dont quote me, but a quick new egg search (goodled ~ $ newegg ddr4 3200 g skill kit GB ) indicates 8GB=$106. 16GB $192, 32GB $400, 64GB$900 & 128GB $1860.
so playing with the numbers, for less than the increment from 32GB to 64GB, you could have 750GB of storage about as fast as an 8 lane pcie3 link's bandwidth, or ddr3 1800 ram.
It gets even better for Vega GPU, which includes HBCC hardware and software designed with this cache extension very much in mind, and has the radical effect of offering ~limitless (up to 512TB) gpu cache/address space.
Yes swapping to storage is slow vs ram, but slow sure aint what it used to be. In the above raid example, its 96x faster than the former norm. Swapping is harshly judged due to a faulty anachronistic mindset.
Ignore these economic and tech developments (ie. buy an intel rig or the only slightly better am4) at your peril, because it will get much worse.
App's demand for ram is exponential, and production increases incrementally.
Please dont side track the argument with alleged raid0 reliability issues. Even if I conceded them which I dont, they are spurious and beside the point. Compared to NV ram as we are doing, raid0 arrays are fort knox.
For the millions excluded from the generous TR/epyc lane counts, there is one "uncool", but probably ok for many, option - run your gpu at 8 lanes, allowing free lanes for an adapter to run a raid pair of full strength nvmeS.
Black friday prices, I guess? Or week? Komplett is having 10-18% sales on Ryzen CPUs...
RAM is absurd though... 16gb RAM costs more than the Ryzen 5 1600X atm... And you can easily find other kits that are more expensive.
I would look at upgrading now, but RAM is just too expensive for it to make sense.
This is what I have been trying to drive into everybody's thick heads, and I am a voice in the wilderness. It bugs me folks dont get it, because not getting it will lead to many regrettable and unfix-able purchases.
I guess I lack the verbal skills.
The days of affordable large dram memory are over for years to come - at least thru 2018 (manufacturers own estimates). True, same is so for nand used in ssdS, but much cheaper.
Only amd TR/epyc/vega offer a sort of solution, and that is to use fast raid0 nvme arrays to swap out maxed out system/gpu ram contents to.
Our PCs always have and always will swap out to storage at some point.
We have simply dodged the unpleasant consequences by adding more and more ram so its a ~rare occurrence.
That option is beginning to die, as we are seeing from the pained comments here.
If an optimal solution is impossibly dear, then we must consider the best sub-optimal one which is.
Sure storage is slower than ram.
A ~$US140 256GB Evo nvme is 3200MB/s read. But the good news is its 32x - THAT'S 32X - faster than what we traditionally associate with storage speeds on sata hddS, and 6x a sata ssd.
Most sensible TR mobos offer 3 full strength nvme ports onboard, and amd include raid capability and ample lanes on TR.
So it can seamlessly triple that speed and capacity, for a massive 750GB ~9000MB/s read/~6000MBs write scratch file for ~$420.
dont quote me, but a quick new egg search (goodled ~ $ newegg ddr4 3200 g skill kit GB ) indicates 8GB=$106. 16GB $192, 32GB $400, 64GB$900 & 128GB $1860.
so playing with the numbers, for less than the increment from 32GB to 64GB, you could have 750GB of storage about as fast as an 8 lane pcie3 link's bandwidth, or ddr3 1800 ram.
It gets even better for Vega GPU, which includes HBCC hardware and software designed with this cache extension very much in mind, and has the radical effect of offering ~limitless (up to 512TB) gpu cache/address space.
Yes swapping to storage is slow vs ram, but slow sure aint what it used to be. In the above raid example, its 96x faster than the former norm. Swapping is harshly judged due to a faulty anachronistic mindset.
Ignore these economic and tech developments (ie. buy an intel rig or the only slightly better am4) at your peril, because it will get much worse.
App's demand for ram is exponential, and production increases incrementally.
Please dont side track the argument with alleged raid0 reliability issues. Even if I conceded them which I dont, they are spurious and beside the point. Compared to NV ram as we are doing, raid0 arrays are fort knox.
For the millions excluded from the generous TR/epyc lane counts, there is one "uncool", but probably ok for many, option - run your gpu at 8 lanes, allowing free lanes for an adapter to run a raid pair of full strength nvmeS.
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#5494085 Posted on: 11/20/2017 05:21 PM
This is 1) good timing
2) great marketing
3) a scheduled price drop (i.e. prod. costs
earned back)
4) a response to coffee lake
5) proof of TSMC's 7nm node process progress
This is 1) good timing
2) great marketing
3) a scheduled price drop (i.e. prod. costs
earned back)
4) a response to coffee lake
5) proof of TSMC's 7nm node process progress
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#5494087 Posted on: 11/20/2017 05:23 PM
This is what I have been trying to drive into everybody's thick heads, and I am a voice in the wilderness. It bugs me folks dont get it, because not getting it will lead to many regrettable and unfix-able purchases.
I guess I lack the verbal skills.
The days of affordable large dram memory are over for years to come - at least thru 2018 (manufacturers own estimates). True, same is so for nand used in ssdS, but much cheaper.
Only amd TR/epyc/vega offer a sort of solution, and that is to use fast raid0 nvme arrays to swap out maxed out system/gpu ram contents to.
Our PCs always have and always will swap out to storage at some point.
We have simply dodged the unpleasant consequences by adding more and more ram so its a ~rare occurrence.
That option is beginning to die, as we are seeing from the pained comments here.
If an optimal solution is impossibly dear, then we must consider the best sub-optimal one which is.
Sure storage is slower than ram.
A ~$US140 256GB Evo nvme is 3200MB/s read. But the good news is its 32x - THAT'S 32X - faster than what we traditionally associate with storage speeds on sata hddS, and 6x a sata ssd.
Most sensible TR mobos offer 3 full strength nvme ports onboard, and amd include raid capability and ample lanes on TR.
So it can seamlessly triple that speed and capacity, for a massive 750GB ~9000MB/s read/~6000MBs write scratch file for ~$420.
dont quote me, but a quick new egg search (goodled ~ $ newegg ddr4 3200 g skill kit GB ) indicates 8GB=$106. 16GB $192, 32GB $400, 64GB$900 & 128GB $1860.
so playing with the numbers, for less than the increment from 32GB to 64GB, you could have 750GB of storage about as fast as an 8 lane pcie3 link's bandwidth, or ddr3 1800 ram.
It gets even better for Vega GPU, which includes HBCC hardware and software designed with this cache extension very much in mind, and has the radical effect of offering ~limitless (up to 512TB) gpu cache/address space.
Yes swapping to storage is slow vs ram, but slow sure aint what it used to be. In the above raid example, its 96x faster than the former norm. Swapping is harshly judged due to a faulty anachronistic mindset.
Ignore these economic and tech developments (ie. buy an intel rig or the only slightly better am4) at your peril, because it will get much worse.
App's demand for ram is exponential, and production increases incrementally.
Please dont side track the argument with alleged raid0 reliability issues. Even if I conceded them which I dont, they are spurious and beside the point. Compared to NV ram as we are doing, raid0 arrays are fort knox.
For the millions excluded from the generous TR/epyc lane counts, there is one "uncool", but probably ok for many, option - run your gpu at 8 lanes, allowing free lanes for an adapter to run a raid pair of full strength nvmeS.
Enter Intel Optane. right now it's way too expensive as a solution, BUT this is the exact problem it was designed to eliminate.
This is what I have been trying to drive into everybody's thick heads, and I am a voice in the wilderness. It bugs me folks dont get it, because not getting it will lead to many regrettable and unfix-able purchases.
I guess I lack the verbal skills.
The days of affordable large dram memory are over for years to come - at least thru 2018 (manufacturers own estimates). True, same is so for nand used in ssdS, but much cheaper.
Only amd TR/epyc/vega offer a sort of solution, and that is to use fast raid0 nvme arrays to swap out maxed out system/gpu ram contents to.
Our PCs always have and always will swap out to storage at some point.
We have simply dodged the unpleasant consequences by adding more and more ram so its a ~rare occurrence.
That option is beginning to die, as we are seeing from the pained comments here.
If an optimal solution is impossibly dear, then we must consider the best sub-optimal one which is.
Sure storage is slower than ram.
A ~$US140 256GB Evo nvme is 3200MB/s read. But the good news is its 32x - THAT'S 32X - faster than what we traditionally associate with storage speeds on sata hddS, and 6x a sata ssd.
Most sensible TR mobos offer 3 full strength nvme ports onboard, and amd include raid capability and ample lanes on TR.
So it can seamlessly triple that speed and capacity, for a massive 750GB ~9000MB/s read/~6000MBs write scratch file for ~$420.
dont quote me, but a quick new egg search (goodled ~ $ newegg ddr4 3200 g skill kit GB ) indicates 8GB=$106. 16GB $192, 32GB $400, 64GB$900 & 128GB $1860.
so playing with the numbers, for less than the increment from 32GB to 64GB, you could have 750GB of storage about as fast as an 8 lane pcie3 link's bandwidth, or ddr3 1800 ram.
It gets even better for Vega GPU, which includes HBCC hardware and software designed with this cache extension very much in mind, and has the radical effect of offering ~limitless (up to 512TB) gpu cache/address space.
Yes swapping to storage is slow vs ram, but slow sure aint what it used to be. In the above raid example, its 96x faster than the former norm. Swapping is harshly judged due to a faulty anachronistic mindset.
Ignore these economic and tech developments (ie. buy an intel rig or the only slightly better am4) at your peril, because it will get much worse.
App's demand for ram is exponential, and production increases incrementally.
Please dont side track the argument with alleged raid0 reliability issues. Even if I conceded them which I dont, they are spurious and beside the point. Compared to NV ram as we are doing, raid0 arrays are fort knox.
For the millions excluded from the generous TR/epyc lane counts, there is one "uncool", but probably ok for many, option - run your gpu at 8 lanes, allowing free lanes for an adapter to run a raid pair of full strength nvmeS.
Enter Intel Optane. right now it's way too expensive as a solution, BUT this is the exact problem it was designed to eliminate.
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#5494092 Posted on: 11/20/2017 05:52 PM
I find it kind of weird that countries outside of the US do Black Friday usually on the same Friday as Americans, considering the day of it revolves around Thanksgiving (a holiday nobody cares about except Americans). But, I guess businesses worldwide notice the huge influx of sales and act accordingly.
Smart move of AMD doing this now. If Intel decides to lower their prices for BF, this early sale might give them an edge. Right now all AMD care about is gaining marketshare. I'm sure for some things like the 1800X and 1900X, they're gaining very little profit, but it will be worth it for them in the end.
It gets even weirder for dispossessed native american bargain hunters
just saying:
i suspect even formerly monopolistic intel would probably follow a similar pattern with a new product release - a premium in the early days, and to be fair, costs are higher for early runs too.
Maybe AMD are just being nice guys - passing on realised savings as production has ramped up.
we can only guess at secret input costs, but we certainly cant be sure intels larger volumes translate to lower costs. Their production lines are very messy compared to amdS lego block approach.
From very competitive lap tops to super servers, its all just multiples of the same mass produced zen core with almost no wastage. Its a very frugal approach which clearly works very well.
Some times in war, weakening the enemy disproportionately is worth some losses. Intels structure is fragile, as it relies hugely on very high margins. Even if they maintain volumes, they can be hurt badly as a dividend stock via reduced margins.
I find it kind of weird that countries outside of the US do Black Friday usually on the same Friday as Americans, considering the day of it revolves around Thanksgiving (a holiday nobody cares about except Americans). But, I guess businesses worldwide notice the huge influx of sales and act accordingly.
Smart move of AMD doing this now. If Intel decides to lower their prices for BF, this early sale might give them an edge. Right now all AMD care about is gaining marketshare. I'm sure for some things like the 1800X and 1900X, they're gaining very little profit, but it will be worth it for them in the end.
It gets even weirder for dispossessed native american bargain hunters
just saying:
i suspect even formerly monopolistic intel would probably follow a similar pattern with a new product release - a premium in the early days, and to be fair, costs are higher for early runs too.
Maybe AMD are just being nice guys - passing on realised savings as production has ramped up.
we can only guess at secret input costs, but we certainly cant be sure intels larger volumes translate to lower costs. Their production lines are very messy compared to amdS lego block approach.
From very competitive lap tops to super servers, its all just multiples of the same mass produced zen core with almost no wastage. Its a very frugal approach which clearly works very well.
Some times in war, weakening the enemy disproportionately is worth some losses. Intels structure is fragile, as it relies hugely on very high margins. Even if they maintain volumes, they can be hurt badly as a dividend stock via reduced margins.
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I find it kind of weird that countries outside of the US do Black Friday usually on the same Friday as Americans, considering the day of it revolves around Thanksgiving (a holiday nobody cares about except Americans). But, I guess businesses worldwide notice the huge influx of sales and act accordingly.
Smart move of AMD doing this now. If Intel decides to lower their prices for BF, this early sale might give them an edge. Right now all AMD care about is gaining marketshare. I'm sure for some things like the 1800X and 1900X, they're gaining very little profit, but it will be worth it for them in the end.