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AMD is working hard on their RENOIR series APU. The Ryzen 7 4700G already has been caught on camera. The source from Videocardz mentions the product is a final one, and is pending release in stores soon.
The Ryzen 7 4700G is an AMD Renoir processor based on Zen2 cores, however, has embedded graphics. It is rumored that GPU shader core cluster count is 8 Compute Units, multiply that by 64 shader processors per cluster and you'll see 512 Shader processors. This "Renoir" based product shares design elements of Vega, but would hold the display- and multimedia core logic of Navi. The CPU would feature 512 KB of L2 cache per core, and 8 MB of shared L3 cache (4 MB per CCX). The chip will likely have a 65 Watt TDP.
An interesting spot for sure. However, I am inclined to say that the 4-core parts need an IGP to save on build cost, with more expensive 8-core products people would buy a dedicated graphics card anyway.
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#5789048 Posted on: 05/15/2020 05:22 PM
APUs are always based on last-gen parts with current-gen names. So, the 4700G being based on Zen2 makes sense. It's still stupid and needlessly confusing, but it was predictable.
What wasn't so predictable was getting an 8c/16t APU.
Nowadays, 4-core parts are primarily used for more compact builds or basic home/office PCs, where having a dGPU is unnecessary.
Ryzen 7 4000 with Zen 2 cores, that's pushing. With Ryzens 3 and 5 well, not ok, but can pass selling Zen with Zen+ name and Zen+ with Zen2 names, but doing that with Ryzen 7? Come on!
APUs are always based on last-gen parts with current-gen names. So, the 4700G being based on Zen2 makes sense. It's still stupid and needlessly confusing, but it was predictable.
What wasn't so predictable was getting an 8c/16t APU.
An interesting spot for sure. However, I am inclined to say that the 4-core parts need an IGP to save on build cost, with more expensive 8-core products people would buy a dedicated graphics card anyway.
Nowadays, 4-core parts are primarily used for more compact builds or basic home/office PCs, where having a dGPU is unnecessary.
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#5789058 Posted on: 05/15/2020 05:52 PM
I know, that's why I said what I said.
To me it's kind of a scam...no, it is a scam, because they advertise the current generation as being "this good" or having "this performance", having "these features", then they sell these processors with the current gen name with previous gen cores, thus not having the advertised performance and features.
Sure they can say "but in the slides we specifically said "Zen/Zen+/Zen2/Zen3..."...yeah, tell that to the customer who isn't informed like us (and doesn't have to be) to whom those slides weren't directed (did I write that correctly?), but only the general public advirtisement.
APUs are always based on last-gen parts with current-gen names.
I know, that's why I said what I said.
To me it's kind of a scam...no, it is a scam, because they advertise the current generation as being "this good" or having "this performance", having "these features", then they sell these processors with the current gen name with previous gen cores, thus not having the advertised performance and features.
Sure they can say "but in the slides we specifically said "Zen/Zen+/Zen2/Zen3..."...yeah, tell that to the customer who isn't informed like us (and doesn't have to be) to whom those slides weren't directed (did I write that correctly?), but only the general public advirtisement.
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#5789104 Posted on: 05/15/2020 07:28 PM
I know, that's why I said what I said.
To me it's kind of a scam...no, it is a scam, because they advertise the current generation as being "this good" or having "this performance", having "these features", then they sell these processors with the current gen name with previous gen cores, thus not having the advertised performance and features.
Sure they can say "but in the slides we specifically said "Zen/Zen+/Zen2/Zen3..."...yeah, tell that to the customer who isn't informed like us (and doesn't have to be) to whom those slides weren't directed (did I write that correctly?), but only the general public advirtisement.
No. They obviously don't advertise a product with the information from a totally different product. Yes, I also think the numbering system is stupid and AMD should fix it immediately, but at the end of the day, they aren't selling technology specs, they are selling CPUs. All those numbers and details are only meaningful to those, like us, who know what they mean, but most people couldn't care less, they just want a new PC that works more or less as advertised.
I know, that's why I said what I said.
To me it's kind of a scam...no, it is a scam, because they advertise the current generation as being "this good" or having "this performance", having "these features", then they sell these processors with the current gen name with previous gen cores, thus not having the advertised performance and features.
Sure they can say "but in the slides we specifically said "Zen/Zen+/Zen2/Zen3..."...yeah, tell that to the customer who isn't informed like us (and doesn't have to be) to whom those slides weren't directed (did I write that correctly?), but only the general public advirtisement.
No. They obviously don't advertise a product with the information from a totally different product. Yes, I also think the numbering system is stupid and AMD should fix it immediately, but at the end of the day, they aren't selling technology specs, they are selling CPUs. All those numbers and details are only meaningful to those, like us, who know what they mean, but most people couldn't care less, they just want a new PC that works more or less as advertised.
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#5789126 Posted on: 05/15/2020 09:00 PM
So it is ok to lie as long as the other doesn't realize it?!
And actually they are selling technology specs (if I get what you mean), we are talking about tech here. What if for example someone has a R3 2400G and sometimes codes in H265, doesn't have the money for more cores but can sell his old R3 and buy for little money a R3400G from the generation that encodes H265 way faster just to have some bump in speed without spending money he doesn't have...well, surprise...
Now, what exactly is advertised for each product I don't know, but that's not the problem. The problem is that someone will hear "Ryzen 3000 series improved in this and that" in a general review, when he finds the time to have a general idea, not the more detailed info we like to get. Why should he know or presuppose that the n gen Ryzen with the G at the end are not actually from the n generation but the previous one, especially if that's a stupid thing to do?
No. They obviously don't advertise a product with the information from a totally different product. Yes, I also think the numbering system is stupid and AMD should fix it immediately, but at the end of the day, they aren't selling technology specs, they are selling CPUs. All those numbers and details are only meaningful to those, like us, who know what they mean, but most people couldn't care less, they just want a new PC that works more or less as advertised.
So it is ok to lie as long as the other doesn't realize it?!
And actually they are selling technology specs (if I get what you mean), we are talking about tech here. What if for example someone has a R3 2400G and sometimes codes in H265, doesn't have the money for more cores but can sell his old R3 and buy for little money a R3400G from the generation that encodes H265 way faster just to have some bump in speed without spending money he doesn't have...well, surprise...
Now, what exactly is advertised for each product I don't know, but that's not the problem. The problem is that someone will hear "Ryzen 3000 series improved in this and that" in a general review, when he finds the time to have a general idea, not the more detailed info we like to get. Why should he know or presuppose that the n gen Ryzen with the G at the end are not actually from the n generation but the previous one, especially if that's a stupid thing to do?
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Ryzen 7 4000 with Zen 2 cores, that's pushing. With Ryzens 3 and 5 well, not ok, but can pass selling Zen with Zen+ name and Zen+ with Zen2 names, but doing that with Ryzen 7? Come on!