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AMD Ryzen 3000 Matisse Spotted - 12 Cores 24 Threads
It has been a busy week for Tum Apisak hunting down the hidden gems in databases. This round he found an interesting AMD engineering sample processor, while he is not speculating, that database entry surely looks like a 12C/24T Third-Gen AMD Ryzen 'Matisse' processor.
Matisse is one of the codenames for 7nm Ryzen 3000 aka Zen2. Albeit AMD is hinting at 8-CPU cores, we've already demonstrated that an extra die proc can be placed onto the package. Tum Apisak, and from now on let's call him the local online database miner, posted a tweet that he had found a benchmark of an AMD engineering sample with 12 cores and 24 threads.
What's so interesting is that the UserBenchmark database entry is listing product code 2D3212BGMCWH2_37 / 34_N. That H2 in the code is indicative for a Matisse processor. The benchmark is listing a base clock speed of 3.4 GHz and an average boost clock speed of 3.6 GHz (remember it is an engineering sample). The platform used is new also, as the motherboard is using an AMD Myrtle-MTS based chipset. The processor is listed having a 105 watts TDP and 32 MB of L3 cache. Interesting, but let's see the 8-core parts first shall we.
Coincidentally (well not) the latest version of AIDA now 'physically' supports AMD Matisse. Exciting times are ahead though.
Photoshopped example of a two die placement which can handle up to 16 cores and 32 threads.
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#5631162 Posted on: 01/24/2019 06:51 PM
Thanks for the news
But I waiting for ZEN3 and DDR5
You'll be waiting a long time...
Thanks for the news
But I waiting for ZEN3 and DDR5
You'll be waiting a long time...
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#5631173 Posted on: 01/24/2019 07:15 PM
Thanks for the news
But I waiting for ZEN3 and DDR5
What kind of improvement you expect from DDR5 to wait around 1.5~2 years for it?
Thanks for the news
But I waiting for ZEN3 and DDR5
What kind of improvement you expect from DDR5 to wait around 1.5~2 years for it?
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#5631174 Posted on: 01/24/2019 07:17 PM
Yeah, moving up one memory generation does rarely in itself much at all.
I just moved to DDR4.
I hope for an 8 core Ryzen at 4.8Ghz as rumored.
It will be a lot faster than anything put in the new consoles.
Yeah, moving up one memory generation does rarely in itself much at all.
I just moved to DDR4.
I hope for an 8 core Ryzen at 4.8Ghz as rumored.
It will be a lot faster than anything put in the new consoles.
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#5631203 Posted on: 01/24/2019 08:23 PM
Folks because I love my i7 3770 and serves me well.
For now I don´t need more then 4 cores.
I waiting for more 1 year or 2.
Probably next 2 years DDR5 is out.
Folks because I love my i7 3770 and serves me well.
For now I don´t need more then 4 cores.
I waiting for more 1 year or 2.
Probably next 2 years DDR5 is out.
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#5631213 Posted on: 01/24/2019 08:33 PM
Looks good , this means the 8C/16T will be the medicore now.
About DDR5 i believe it won't have any detectable impact.
Since RAM crossed the 25GB/sec mark there is barely detectable difference.This huge transffer rates are more important for really memory intensive not only applications but also hardware.
Lower latency memory now is much more important since accessing the information you need now takes much more time than transffering it.
__________Transfer__Rate_____Cycle___CAS_FirstWord___Fourth_____Eight
PC133_____7.500ns__133 MHz__7.500 ns__3___22.50ns___45.00ns___75.00ns
DDR - 400__2.500ns__200 MHz__5.000 ns__2___10.00ns___17.50ns___27.50ns
DDR3-1600 0.625ns__800 MHz__1.250 ns__8___10.00ns___11.88ns___14.38ns
DDR4-3600 0.278ns_1800MHz__0.556 ns__18__10.00ns___10.83ns___11.94ns
DDR3-2133 0.469ns _1066MHz__0.938 ns__7___6.56ns_____7.97ns____9.84ns
Looks good , this means the 8C/16T will be the medicore now.
About DDR5 i believe it won't have any detectable impact.
Since RAM crossed the 25GB/sec mark there is barely detectable difference.This huge transffer rates are more important for really memory intensive not only applications but also hardware.
Lower latency memory now is much more important since accessing the information you need now takes much more time than transffering it.
__________Transfer__Rate_____Cycle___CAS_FirstWord___Fourth_____Eight
PC133_____7.500ns__133 MHz__7.500 ns__3___22.50ns___45.00ns___75.00ns
DDR - 400__2.500ns__200 MHz__5.000 ns__2___10.00ns___17.50ns___27.50ns
DDR3-1600 0.625ns__800 MHz__1.250 ns__8___10.00ns___11.88ns___14.38ns
DDR4-3600 0.278ns_1800MHz__0.556 ns__18__10.00ns___10.83ns___11.94ns
DDR3-2133 0.469ns _1066MHz__0.938 ns__7___6.56ns_____7.97ns____9.84ns
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#5631234 Posted on: 01/24/2019 09:17 PM
Thanks for the news
But I waiting for ZEN3 and DDR5
pff, thats so old. Wait for ZEN4, with DDR6, now that will be an improvement.
Thanks for the news
But I waiting for ZEN3 and DDR5
pff, thats so old. Wait for ZEN4, with DDR6, now that will be an improvement.
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#5631247 Posted on: 01/24/2019 09:54 PM
I'm surprised this appears to be real. AMD is sorta cannibalizing their own previous-gen product lineup, even regarding Threadrippers. But, I guess they're trying to kick Intel while they're down. Being on AM4 will make this much more affordable too.
Even if Zen 2 still doesn't beat Intel in single-threaded IPC, they sure are setting the bar really high for overall performance.
I'm surprised this appears to be real. AMD is sorta cannibalizing their own previous-gen product lineup, even regarding Threadrippers. But, I guess they're trying to kick Intel while they're down. Being on AM4 will make this much more affordable too.
Even if Zen 2 still doesn't beat Intel in single-threaded IPC, they sure are setting the bar really high for overall performance.
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#5631252 Posted on: 01/24/2019 10:07 PM
I'm surprised this appears to be real. AMD is sorta cannibalizing their own previous-gen product lineup, even regarding Threadrippers. But, I guess they're trying to kick Intel while they're down. Being on AM4 will make this much more affordable too.
Even if Zen 2 still doesn't beat Intel in single-threaded IPC, they sure are setting the bar really high for overall performance.
I think it makes sense. Threadripper goes up to 32 cores now and they'll probably release a Zen 2 model with chiplets (as a first-gen TR customer, I'd certainly be interested in a 32-core Zen 2 TR). It'll now be Ryzen up to 16 cores, Threadripper up to 32 cores and EPYC up to 64 cores (or more).
I'm surprised this appears to be real. AMD is sorta cannibalizing their own previous-gen product lineup, even regarding Threadrippers. But, I guess they're trying to kick Intel while they're down. Being on AM4 will make this much more affordable too.
Even if Zen 2 still doesn't beat Intel in single-threaded IPC, they sure are setting the bar really high for overall performance.
I think it makes sense. Threadripper goes up to 32 cores now and they'll probably release a Zen 2 model with chiplets (as a first-gen TR customer, I'd certainly be interested in a 32-core Zen 2 TR). It'll now be Ryzen up to 16 cores, Threadripper up to 32 cores and EPYC up to 64 cores (or more).
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#5631270 Posted on: 01/24/2019 10:54 PM
I telling you unless Intel pulls there head out there asses and stops with crazy prices when Amd offering similar MTP for much less Intel my next PC will be Ryzen STP is no longer important to me the cores are besides Ryzen STP is now 2k + which really all i cared about, and why I got the 6700k over the 5820k
I dont fancy the TDP these multi core cpu are using (intel and amd) but It was bound to happen at some point
I telling you unless Intel pulls there head out there asses and stops with crazy prices when Amd offering similar MTP for much less Intel my next PC will be Ryzen STP is no longer important to me the cores are besides Ryzen STP is now 2k + which really all i cared about, and why I got the 6700k over the 5820k
I dont fancy the TDP these multi core cpu are using (intel and amd) but It was bound to happen at some point
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#5631282 Posted on: 01/24/2019 11:33 PM
Mattise sounds good. Very good.
Saving money as we speak, the waiting game is set.
Mattise sounds good. Very good.
Saving money as we speak, the waiting game is set.
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#5631285 Posted on: 01/24/2019 11:44 PM
Yeah, but the 32-core TRs are a very niche product due to the memory and scheduler issues. The 16 core TRs are still the more sensible product for a wider audience.
But like I said, it's more of an issue compared to previous generation stuff. If I owned either a 1st or 2nd gen TR with 12-16 cores, I think I'd be a little bothered that there will be AM4 CPUs that will most likely be much cheaper while potentially having better performance (when you account for the smaller transistors and probably higher clock speeds). Of course, TR builds will still be better in terms of stuff like PCIe lanes and memory bandwidth, but I wouldn't be surprised if most of these systems only use 1 GPU and 1 M.2 drive.
Of course, the natural evolution of things suggest that these parts will inevitably be obsoleted, I guess what I'm saying is AMD is forcing obsolescence a little bit too fast IMO.
I think it makes sense. Threadripper goes up to 32 cores now and they'll probably release a Zen 2 model with chiplets (as a first-gen TR customer, I'd certainly be interested in a 32-core Zen 2 TR). It'll now be Ryzen up to 16 cores, Threadripper up to 32 cores and EPYC up to 64 cores (or more).
Yeah, but the 32-core TRs are a very niche product due to the memory and scheduler issues. The 16 core TRs are still the more sensible product for a wider audience.
But like I said, it's more of an issue compared to previous generation stuff. If I owned either a 1st or 2nd gen TR with 12-16 cores, I think I'd be a little bothered that there will be AM4 CPUs that will most likely be much cheaper while potentially having better performance (when you account for the smaller transistors and probably higher clock speeds). Of course, TR builds will still be better in terms of stuff like PCIe lanes and memory bandwidth, but I wouldn't be surprised if most of these systems only use 1 GPU and 1 M.2 drive.
Of course, the natural evolution of things suggest that these parts will inevitably be obsoleted, I guess what I'm saying is AMD is forcing obsolescence a little bit too fast IMO.
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#5631296 Posted on: 01/25/2019 12:55 AM
Nice find Hilbert. Every day that goes by we get closer to the new Zen2 , definitely i'm in for a 16 core 32 thread Ryzen 2.
Bring it on AMD !
Nice find Hilbert. Every day that goes by we get closer to the new Zen2 , definitely i'm in for a 16 core 32 thread Ryzen 2.
Bring it on AMD !
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#5631297 Posted on: 01/25/2019 01:07 AM
When the AMD Ryzen 3XXX series reach the market... who will buy Intel processors?!?! Only people that do know nothing of hardware.... this 3XXX series will smash Intel in a way that they never imagined....
When the AMD Ryzen 3XXX series reach the market... who will buy Intel processors?!?! Only people that do know nothing of hardware.... this 3XXX series will smash Intel in a way that they never imagined....
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#5631302 Posted on: 01/25/2019 01:31 AM
Folks because I love my i7 3770 and serves me well.
For now I don´t need more then 4 cores.
Of course, the natural evolution of things suggest that these parts will inevitably be obsoleted, I guess what I'm saying is AMD is forcing obsolescence a little bit too fast IMO.
Forcing obsolescence is something else. Is making so that the product is obsolete. ( phones with crippling updates for example ) In this case is you that feel obsolete because more new stuff is old. As you see is matter of opinions. My old i7 990x is not obsolete at all, and i bought an amd 2700x to have a new build + fun.
Folks because I love my i7 3770 and serves me well.
For now I don´t need more then 4 cores.
Of course, the natural evolution of things suggest that these parts will inevitably be obsoleted, I guess what I'm saying is AMD is forcing obsolescence a little bit too fast IMO.
Forcing obsolescence is something else. Is making so that the product is obsolete. ( phones with crippling updates for example ) In this case is you that feel obsolete because more new stuff is old. As you see is matter of opinions. My old i7 990x is not obsolete at all, and i bought an amd 2700x to have a new build + fun.
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Thanks for the news
But I waiting for ZEN3 and DDR5