Razer Leviathan V2 gaming soundbar review
Guru3D NVMe Thermal Test - the heatsink vs. performance
EnGenius ECW220S 2x2 Cloud Access Point review
Alphacool Eisbaer Aurora HPE 360 LCS cooler review
Noctua NH-D12L CPU Cooler Review
Silicon Power XPOWER XS70 1TB NVMe SSD Review
Hyte Y60 chassis review
ASUS ROG Thor 1000W Platinum II (1000W PSU) review
ASUS ROG Rapture GT-AXE11000 WIFI6E router review
Backforce One Plus Gaming Chair review
AMD Ryzen 3 3300X Has a fully enabled CCX, unlike the Ryzen 3 3100
This week AMD announced two entry-level quad-core processors, the Ryzen 3 3100 and 3300X. The difference between the two 4-core / 8-thread parts, however, is to be found in the way how the active processor cores are assigned.
In a block diagram leaked by ViveK oneindia.co.in (as you can see watermarked in the screenshot), you can see that there are some subtle differences in-between the two new Ryzen 3 processors. First and foremost the CCX assignments are different. While each die used for Ryzen 3000 still is a physical the 8-core (ZEN2 processor die) part, it holds two 4-core clusters with each cluster of four processors cores called a CCX.
The 3100 will get a 2+2 configuration (8MB+8MB L3) thus is grabbing two cores per CCX cluster, and that (should/could) make it slower than the 3300X for latency in relation to the full 16 MB L3 cache. The 3300X, on the other hand, has one full CCX activated, four cores e.g. 4+0, this processor will benefit from that, albeit a little. Earlier on a single thread CB15 score already leaked for the 3300X, which shows it's a potent quad-core processor. Time will tell, you can expect reviews next month.
AMD Ryzen 3 3300X Single Core Cinebench 15 Score Leaks - 04/23/2020 01:13 PM
It is not much to go with, but a Ryzen 3 3300X Single thread/core Cinebench 15 score leaked onto the web by a Redditor with a fairly awesome nickname. ...
New AMD Ryzen 4000 rumors are doing rounds; released in September? - 04/10/2020 09:06 AM
The dust never settled in technology land when it comes to popular component hardware. AMD is making rounds in chatter on the web, Ryzen 4000 with ZEN3 would/could be announced as soon as September al...
Steam Shows Intel Core CPUs Gaining ground on the processor install base over AMD Ryzen - 04/07/2020 09:43 AM
It has been an incredible dynamic few years on the processor front. AMD recaptured processor momentum ever since they released Ryzen processors. I mean just where they are now and where they were four...
AMD Introduces AMD Ryzen 9 4000H for Gaming Notebooks (+Renoir Die shots) - 03/16/2020 05:48 PM
Following the announcement of the new AMD Ryzen 4000 H-Series Mobile Processors at CES 2020, today, AMD is excited to announce the addition of the new AMD Ryzen 9 4900H mobile gaming processor....
AMD Ryzen Series 3000 processors prices drop: a terrific deal and opportunity - 03/13/2020 07:58 PM
Confined at home?, hey now might be a good time to build a kickass new Ryzen 3000 based (game) PC. As it seems prices are not ryzing, but dropping (pardon the word pun). A few days ago I already notic...
Cyberdyne
Senior Member
Posts: 3582
Joined: 2010-01-16
Senior Member
Posts: 3582
Joined: 2010-01-16
#5782525 Posted on: 04/25/2020 04:19 AM
I don't think that makes the article misleading. It's just information. If someone asks "why?", the answer is binning. If someone asks "what is binning?", then what you just said becomes important. Doesn't change the tone of this news article in any way.
That's an important differentiator to understand, yeah. "Able to" doesn't mean "benefits from".
The way the article is written is really misleading. AMD is making these parts with remnants from failed chip printing operations. Sometimes there are four cores that are good in 1 ccx and those are going to be faster and they get the 3300 identifier. Sometimes AMD must stitch together two cores from 1ccx and two cores from another CCX (4 ways to do this vs only 2 ways to make a 3300 above). I say stitch because it's literally done with lasers to cut out the bad cores. These patchwork chips would have higher yield but they would be the slowest and named 3100.
I don't think that makes the article misleading. It's just information. If someone asks "why?", the answer is binning. If someone asks "what is binning?", then what you just said becomes important. Doesn't change the tone of this news article in any way.
One thing to really think about with games that may use up to 16 threads, do these games actually scale to these threads evenly? I'm willing to bet that even though a game might be able to scale across multiple threads, it doesn't scale across each thread evenly. I7 4c/8t are still holding up today for example.
That's an important differentiator to understand, yeah. "Able to" doesn't mean "benefits from".
HeavyHemi
Senior Member
Posts: 6954
Joined: 2008-10-27
Senior Member
Posts: 6954
Joined: 2008-10-27
#5782544 Posted on: 04/25/2020 07:28 AM
If one wanted to be extra pedantic, one could point out that the "IMO" was part of the second sentence recommending a certain kind of buying decision, and not the first sentence - which in fact presents something as "fact", and therefor can be scrutinized.
But we don't want to be extra pedantic, do we.
Well, because, it is a fact. It IS a factor. I did not characterize it other than that. The argument would be how much of a factor. The opinion part is what others should purchase... based on the facts.
If one wanted to be extra pedantic, one could point out that the "IMO" was part of the second sentence recommending a certain kind of buying decision, and not the first sentence - which in fact presents something as "fact", and therefor can be scrutinized.
But we don't want to be extra pedantic, do we.
Well, because, it is a fact. It IS a factor. I did not characterize it other than that. The argument would be how much of a factor. The opinion part is what others should purchase... based on the facts.
Astyanax
Senior Member
Posts: 13403
Joined: 2018-03-21
Senior Member
Posts: 13403
Joined: 2018-03-21
#5782552 Posted on: 04/25/2020 08:04 AM
threads do not equal cores.
Idk which game are you talking about. Even csgo uses 8 threads, which engine is basically 20 yo
threads do not equal cores.
D1stRU3T0R
Senior Member
Posts: 580
Joined: 2017-08-16
Senior Member
Posts: 580
Joined: 2017-08-16
#5782561 Posted on: 04/25/2020 08:45 AM
That's exactly why I said threads. But afaik it can use 8 core too, not sure so that's why I wrote 8 threads.
threads do not equal cores.
That's exactly why I said threads. But afaik it can use 8 core too, not sure so that's why I wrote 8 threads.
Click here to post a comment for this news story on the message forum.
Moderator
Posts: 15139
Joined: 2006-07-04
^
(Almost) Completely false.
Idk which game are you talking about. Even csgo uses 8 threads, which engine is basically 20 yo
If you talk about League of legends, than EVEN THAT PIECE OF GARBAGE with its 10yo engine uses 4 threads AT LEAST!
Let's not even talk about overwatch, pubg, valorant which can easly use 16.
Indie games aren't single threaded neither lol,
One thing to really think about with games that may use up to 16 threads, do these games actually scale to these threads evenly? I'm willing to bet that even though a game might be able to scale across multiple threads, it doesn't scale across each thread evenly. I7 4c/8t are still holding up today for example.