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AMD Ryzen 14nm Wafer Yields Pass 80% - Threadripper CPUs on track
Good news for and from AMD, the yields for fabbing AMD Ryzen processors seem to be reaching strong values and are reaching numbers passing 80% for fully the functional 8-core parts. Ryzen is fabbed using a 14nm FinFet process. That fabrication node has been in use and refined for over a year now.
Since the Zen processor dies aren't that massive, that helps in wafer yields. In the end, high yields are good for end-users as on the long run it might bring prices down. Simply put higher yields bring the cost to produce a processor down. Meaning in the end with proper volume and market availability, you might see the cost per chip go down. That's good news for AMD alright.
With 14nm FinFET yields this high, the AMD threadripper series processors do make more sense as here as well, these are the same dies doubled up. the 16-core and 32-threaded monster of a processor series will be detailed more during Computex. AMD in a conference call today also verified to us that Treadripper is on track for this summer. The Summer ends in September, so let's make a wild assumption that the actual release could be in an August time-frame.
Also in other news, Threadripper is not a codename as was mentioned in the same conference call, this actually will be the brand name for the 16, 14 and 12 core parts from AMD. The codename remains to be whitehaven. This means that it will not be called a Ryzen 9 series processor (but hey who knows as that could change right?). The Whitehaven platform should include support for quad-channel DDR4 memory support and offer additional PCIe lanes. Some unconfirmed additional rumors on these processors can be read up here.
- Expected to feature up to 16 cores and 32 threads
- All new high end desktop platform that will include more memory and I/O bandwidth than the current AM4 platform
- Targeted at the world’s fastest ultra premium desktop and workstation systems
- Coming in Summer 2017
Dang you guys, we have a wild Summer loaded with new technology ahead of us !
| Ryzen Threadripper | Cores/threads | Clock/boost | Tdp | Memory | Pci-e-lanes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1998X | 16/32 | 3,5/3,9GHz | 155W | Quad Channel DDR4 | 44 |
| 1998 | 16/32 | 3,2/3,6GHz | 155W | Quad Channel DDR4 | 44 |
| 1977X | 14/28 | 3,5/4,0GHz | 155W | Quad Channel DDR4 | 44 |
| 1977 | 14/28 | 3,2/3,7GHz | 140W | Quad Channel DDR4 | 44 |
| 1976X | 12/24 | 3,6/4,1GHz | 125W | Quad Channel DDR4 | 44 |
| 1956X | 12/24 | 3,2/3,8GHz | 125W | Quad Channel DDR4 | 44 |
| 1956 | 12/24 | 3,0/3,7GHz | 125W | Quad Channel DDR4 | 44 |
| 1955X | 10/20 | 3,6/4,0GHz | 125W | Quad Channel DDR4 | 44 |
| 1955 | 10/20 | 3,1/3,7GHz | 125W | Quad Channel DDR4 | 44 |
Originally SP3r2 4094-pin socket was developed for the AMD Naples series processor, but AMD did a 180 and is introducing it also as high-end desktop platform series processors and chipsets. Whitehaven will bring quad-channel towards the processor series and the most high-end process would get a 155W TDP, 125W for the 10 core parts.
Review: AMD Ryzen 5 1600 processor - just fantastic value - 05/16/2017 07:51 AM
Is this perhaps the best value Ryzen processor available on the market? We test and benchmark the six-core Ryzen 5 1600 (without the X). The 1600 will be tested and overclocked to see how much value y...
New Microcode to further enhance AMD Ryzen memory compatibility - 05/07/2017 02:10 PM
AMD will be releasing a new AGESA microcode update this month, this is now being worked on bt the motherboard manufacturers. The new microcode (which is located in your BIOS) will further enhance memo...
AMD Ryzen R5 1600X takes down 6 core global first places on launch day - 04/11/2017 02:54 PM
German overclocker Der8auer (and a bit of a buddy of ours) managed to push the Ryzen R5 1600X to 5906 MHz and also break 6 Core Global world records with the CPUs at 5446 MHz with LN2 tweaking....
AMD Ryzen Master Software v1.0.1 Update To Fix CPU temperature Reporting - 04/08/2017 06:36 PM
A new update (version 1.0.1) of AMD Ryzen Master overclocking utility is now detecting the AMD Ryzen CPU temperatures correctly when compared to the previous version. Some have been reportin some prob...
ASRock Puts AMD Ryzen 3 1200 Processor Details Online - 04/05/2017 07:21 AM
In what only can be described as an whoops, ASRock in their CPU support list makes mention of the entry-level AMD Ryzen 3 1200 Processor. The processor would get a 3100 MHz base-clock and gets a 65W ...
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#5433728 Posted on: 05/19/2017 08:59 PM
Killing me
I'm trying so hard not to buy / build a new PC all this news is killing me this year. I guess we should see what Skylake-x has to offer up prior to Threadripper landing. Im so glad every time I went to build an Intel HEDT platform I stopped myself over the last 3 years and just saved the cash.
Killing me
I'm trying so hard not to buy / build a new PC all this news is killing me this year. I guess we should see what Skylake-x has to offer up prior to Threadripper landing. Im so glad every time I went to build an Intel HEDT platform I stopped myself over the last 3 years and just saved the cash.
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#5433737 Posted on: 05/19/2017 09:19 PM
Good for amd
and gotta love them internet gifs
Good for amd
and gotta love them internet gifs
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#5433741 Posted on: 05/19/2017 09:26 PM
So next is over 3000 points in R15? ;-)
So next is over 3000 points in R15? ;-)
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#5433746 Posted on: 05/19/2017 09:58 PM
14 core and 10 core Threadrippers are not going to happen. (3+2)+(3+2) or (4+1)+(4+1) for hypothetical 10 core is not possible. Same logic applies to 14 core - there's 5 core Zeppelin is not possible, nor 7 core. Also both Zeppelins must have same core configuration so all 12 core variants are (3+3)+(3+3).
12 and 16 are possible, 8 might just make sense but it's overlapping a bit with Ryzens. Extra PCI-E lanes and quad channel memory would be the main difference so for some power users it might make sense...
14 core and 10 core Threadrippers are not going to happen. (3+2)+(3+2) or (4+1)+(4+1) for hypothetical 10 core is not possible. Same logic applies to 14 core - there's 5 core Zeppelin is not possible, nor 7 core. Also both Zeppelins must have same core configuration so all 12 core variants are (3+3)+(3+3).
12 and 16 are possible, 8 might just make sense but it's overlapping a bit with Ryzens. Extra PCI-E lanes and quad channel memory would be the main difference so for some power users it might make sense...
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#5433751 Posted on: 05/19/2017 10:08 PM
14 core and 10 core Threadrippers are not going to happen. (3+2)+(3+2) or (4+1)+(4+1) for hypothetical 10 core is not possible. Same logic applies to 14 core - there's 5 core Zeppelin is not possible, nor 7 core. Also both Zeppelins must have same core configuration so all 12 core variants are (3+3)+(3+3).
12 and 16 are possible, 8 might just make sense but it's overlapping a bit with Ryzens. Extra PCI-E lanes and quad channel memory would be the main difference so for some power users it might make sense...
You missed one important thing. Ryzen cores can be disabled via BIOS in any combination.
If BIOS can do it, laser can as well...
14 core and 10 core Threadrippers are not going to happen. (3+2)+(3+2) or (4+1)+(4+1) for hypothetical 10 core is not possible. Same logic applies to 14 core - there's 5 core Zeppelin is not possible, nor 7 core. Also both Zeppelins must have same core configuration so all 12 core variants are (3+3)+(3+3).
12 and 16 are possible, 8 might just make sense but it's overlapping a bit with Ryzens. Extra PCI-E lanes and quad channel memory would be the main difference so for some power users it might make sense...
You missed one important thing. Ryzen cores can be disabled via BIOS in any combination.
If BIOS can do it, laser can as well...
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#5433752 Posted on: 05/19/2017 10:09 PM
14 core and 10 core Threadrippers are not going to happen. (3+2)+(3+2) or (4+1)+(4+1) for hypothetical 10 core is not possible. Same logic applies to 14 core - there's 5 core Zeppelin is not possible, nor 7 core. Also both Zeppelins must have same core configuration so all 12 core variants are (3+3)+(3+3).
12 and 16 are possible, 8 might just make sense but it's overlapping a bit with Ryzens. Extra PCI-E lanes and quad channel memory would be the main difference so for some power users it might make sense...
It isn't possible or just not very handy for compilers?
14 core and 10 core Threadrippers are not going to happen. (3+2)+(3+2) or (4+1)+(4+1) for hypothetical 10 core is not possible. Same logic applies to 14 core - there's 5 core Zeppelin is not possible, nor 7 core. Also both Zeppelins must have same core configuration so all 12 core variants are (3+3)+(3+3).
12 and 16 are possible, 8 might just make sense but it's overlapping a bit with Ryzens. Extra PCI-E lanes and quad channel memory would be the main difference so for some power users it might make sense...
It isn't possible or just not very handy for compilers?
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#5433758 Posted on: 05/19/2017 10:20 PM
14 core and 10 core Threadrippers are not going to happen. (3+2)+(3+2) or (4+1)+(4+1) for hypothetical 10 core is not possible. Same logic applies to 14 core - there's 5 core Zeppelin is not possible, nor 7 core. Also both Zeppelins must have same core configuration so all 12 core variants are (3+3)+(3+3).
12 and 16 are possible, 8 might just make sense but it's overlapping a bit with Ryzens. Extra PCI-E lanes and quad channel memory would be the main difference so for some power users it might make sense...
I think they would sell a bunch of 8 core chips with 44 lanes and 128GB RAM support. There are a lot of workstation workloads out there where more RAM, a fully dedicated M.2 slot and more GPUs are far more important than more CPU cores. Even so, they probably won't do it just to avoid confusion. Maybe next year, I guess.
14 core and 10 core Threadrippers are not going to happen. (3+2)+(3+2) or (4+1)+(4+1) for hypothetical 10 core is not possible. Same logic applies to 14 core - there's 5 core Zeppelin is not possible, nor 7 core. Also both Zeppelins must have same core configuration so all 12 core variants are (3+3)+(3+3).
12 and 16 are possible, 8 might just make sense but it's overlapping a bit with Ryzens. Extra PCI-E lanes and quad channel memory would be the main difference so for some power users it might make sense...
I think they would sell a bunch of 8 core chips with 44 lanes and 128GB RAM support. There are a lot of workstation workloads out there where more RAM, a fully dedicated M.2 slot and more GPUs are far more important than more CPU cores. Even so, they probably won't do it just to avoid confusion. Maybe next year, I guess.
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#5433796 Posted on: 05/20/2017 12:15 AM
Why not release single CCX quad core CPUs with proper clock speeds? The problem with that company is that they try to awe people instead of trying to understand the market's needs, and that's why they screw it all up every time.
They can't release mainstream Vega because HBM memory supply is quite inadequate for mainstream Vega, so they delay it. They could've used a 384bit wide memory bus for Vega, which would result in 384 GB/s of memory bandwidth when coupled with Samsung's GDDR5 memory. If their delta color compression improvements claims are true, then that all they would've needed to release a competitive on par or faster than the GTX1080.
Ryzen blows for gaming because they opted to impress people with cores instead of releasing proper quad core CPUs at high clock speeds, without all that cross-CCX latency that's causing slow L3 cache access and slow thread migration across CCXs.
Why not release single CCX quad core CPUs with proper clock speeds? The problem with that company is that they try to awe people instead of trying to understand the market's needs, and that's why they screw it all up every time.
They can't release mainstream Vega because HBM memory supply is quite inadequate for mainstream Vega, so they delay it. They could've used a 384bit wide memory bus for Vega, which would result in 384 GB/s of memory bandwidth when coupled with Samsung's GDDR5 memory. If their delta color compression improvements claims are true, then that all they would've needed to release a competitive on par or faster than the GTX1080.
Ryzen blows for gaming because they opted to impress people with cores instead of releasing proper quad core CPUs at high clock speeds, without all that cross-CCX latency that's causing slow L3 cache access and slow thread migration across CCXs.
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#5433798 Posted on: 05/20/2017 12:29 AM
Prices wars who can perform better cheaper! still waiting for this, I been tempted by Ryzen chips, but mutli cores out the ass still mean very little
Prices wars who can perform better cheaper! still waiting for this, I been tempted by Ryzen chips, but mutli cores out the ass still mean very little
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#5433805 Posted on: 05/20/2017 12:48 AM
14 core and 10 core Threadrippers are not going to happen. (3+2)+(3+2) or (4+1)+(4+1) for hypothetical 10 core is not possible. Same logic applies to 14 core - there's 5 core Zeppelin is not possible, nor 7 core. Also both Zeppelins must have same core configuration so all 12 core variants are (3+3)+(3+3).
12 and 16 are possible, 8 might just make sense but it's overlapping a bit with Ryzens. Extra PCI-E lanes and quad channel memory would be the main difference so for some power users it might make sense...
Seeing as how 14 core and 10 core have been on the map and already named and specced I'm guessing that means that AMD says it's possible lol
14 core and 10 core Threadrippers are not going to happen. (3+2)+(3+2) or (4+1)+(4+1) for hypothetical 10 core is not possible. Same logic applies to 14 core - there's 5 core Zeppelin is not possible, nor 7 core. Also both Zeppelins must have same core configuration so all 12 core variants are (3+3)+(3+3).
12 and 16 are possible, 8 might just make sense but it's overlapping a bit with Ryzens. Extra PCI-E lanes and quad channel memory would be the main difference so for some power users it might make sense...
Seeing as how 14 core and 10 core have been on the map and already named and specced I'm guessing that means that AMD says it's possible lol
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#5433820 Posted on: 05/20/2017 01:49 AM
(3+2)+(3+2) and (4+1)+(4+1) are probably unlikely configurations. But why not (4+4)+(3+3) for the 14 core version, and (3+3)+(2+2) for the 10 core? They're currently producing (4+4) configurations for Ryzen 7, and (3+3) and (2+2) configurations for Ryzen 5. So it doesn't sound like too much of a stretch that they could match some of those together for Threadripper.
14 core and 10 core Threadrippers are not going to happen. (3+2)+(3+2) or (4+1)+(4+1) for hypothetical 10 core is not possible. Same logic applies to 14 core - there's 5 core Zeppelin is not possible, nor 7 core. Also both Zeppelins must have same core configuration so all 12 core variants are (3+3)+(3+3).
(3+2)+(3+2) and (4+1)+(4+1) are probably unlikely configurations. But why not (4+4)+(3+3) for the 14 core version, and (3+3)+(2+2) for the 10 core? They're currently producing (4+4) configurations for Ryzen 7, and (3+3) and (2+2) configurations for Ryzen 5. So it doesn't sound like too much of a stretch that they could match some of those together for Threadripper.
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#5433822 Posted on: 05/20/2017 01:51 AM
14 core and 10 core Threadrippers are not going to happen. (3+2)+(3+2) or (4+1)+(4+1) for hypothetical 10 core is not possible. Same logic applies to 14 core - there's 5 core Zeppelin is not possible, nor 7 core. Also both Zeppelins must have same core configuration so all 12 core variants are (3+3)+(3+3).
12 and 16 are possible, 8 might just make sense but it's overlapping a bit with Ryzens. Extra PCI-E lanes and quad channel memory would be the main difference so for some power users it might make sense...
Ohhhh do i love it when people claim, as though it is fact, that something "can't" happen, based off of their supposed super knowledge. It's always great, because when they are proven wrong, they pretend they never said it.
Let me bring up topics that have already been talked about, as well as nonsense, every post i make.
Oh hey look, it's this guy here to chime in some information that has already been stated and discussed to death and replied to repeatedly through the forums, yay!
14 core and 10 core Threadrippers are not going to happen. (3+2)+(3+2) or (4+1)+(4+1) for hypothetical 10 core is not possible. Same logic applies to 14 core - there's 5 core Zeppelin is not possible, nor 7 core. Also both Zeppelins must have same core configuration so all 12 core variants are (3+3)+(3+3).
12 and 16 are possible, 8 might just make sense but it's overlapping a bit with Ryzens. Extra PCI-E lanes and quad channel memory would be the main difference so for some power users it might make sense...
Ohhhh do i love it when people claim, as though it is fact, that something "can't" happen, based off of their supposed super knowledge. It's always great, because when they are proven wrong, they pretend they never said it.
Let me bring up topics that have already been talked about, as well as nonsense, every post i make.
Oh hey look, it's this guy here to chime in some information that has already been stated and discussed to death and replied to repeatedly through the forums, yay!
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#5433830 Posted on: 05/20/2017 02:25 AM
Why not release single CCX quad core CPUs with proper clock speeds? The problem with that company is that they try to awe people instead of trying to understand the market's needs, and that's why they screw it all up every time.
Ryzen blows for gaming because they opted to impress people with cores instead of releasing proper quad core CPUs at high clock speeds, without all that cross-CCX latency that's causing slow L3 cache access and slow thread migration across CCXs.
Says you...I converted my main PC from i5 2500 to R7 1700, and the performance is fabulous-- even at the stock clock. Windows 10 is lightning fast on this thing, MAME runs great, Supermodel runs great, Powerdirector performance is incredible. I have no problems holding over 60 framerates on any of my games. I can get a stable 3.9GHz no problem, but I don't see the need so I just let it be stock. All this and a kick ass bundled cooler for $320. As an added bonus I'm guaranteed mobo compatibility with the next gen Zens as well.
Screw Intel and their monopolistic practices. I wasn't going to upgrade my 2500 to yet ANOTHER quad core when I could get a kick ass octocore with a great cooler for less money-- and forget a hex or octocore Intel for double the price. AMD just raised the bar for PC that Intel was holding over our collective throats.
Why not release single CCX quad core CPUs with proper clock speeds? The problem with that company is that they try to awe people instead of trying to understand the market's needs, and that's why they screw it all up every time.
Ryzen blows for gaming because they opted to impress people with cores instead of releasing proper quad core CPUs at high clock speeds, without all that cross-CCX latency that's causing slow L3 cache access and slow thread migration across CCXs.
Says you...I converted my main PC from i5 2500 to R7 1700, and the performance is fabulous-- even at the stock clock. Windows 10 is lightning fast on this thing, MAME runs great, Supermodel runs great, Powerdirector performance is incredible. I have no problems holding over 60 framerates on any of my games. I can get a stable 3.9GHz no problem, but I don't see the need so I just let it be stock. All this and a kick ass bundled cooler for $320. As an added bonus I'm guaranteed mobo compatibility with the next gen Zens as well.
Screw Intel and their monopolistic practices. I wasn't going to upgrade my 2500 to yet ANOTHER quad core when I could get a kick ass octocore with a great cooler for less money-- and forget a hex or octocore Intel for double the price. AMD just raised the bar for PC that Intel was holding over our collective throats.
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#5433861 Posted on: 05/20/2017 07:53 AM
Is threadripper a complete new die with 4 CCXs or 2 of the 8-core dies slaved together?
Is threadripper a complete new die with 4 CCXs or 2 of the 8-core dies slaved together?
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