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AMD Radeon VII 3DMark results Surface
AMD is yet to release the up and coming Radeon VII, the first benchmarks, however, have been spotted and posted. An in Fire Strike the card scores approximately equal to the GeForce RTX 2080 from Nvidia, in 3DMark Time Spy the Radeon VII is a notch slower.
The results find their way by Tum Apisak, he found the results simply in the 3DMark online database. While Radeon VII is marked as an 'unknown video card'. All scores are graphics scored by the way, these are more accurate then a weighed score with CPU included.
- For 3DMark Fire Strike benchmark, the Radeon VII has scored ~27,500 points which is faster than a GeForce RTX 2080 FE. In Ultra mode Fire Strike Ultra the AMD card is also slightly faster with ~6870 points, compared with ~6400 points for the RTX 2080 FE as measured here at Guru3D.
- 3DMark Time Spy seems different. The score is 8700 points, while an RTX 2080 FE gets 11,000 points in that test (based on the Guru3D measurement.
- Twitter user Komachi also noticed Radeon VII results in the Final Fantasy XV benchmark. The card scores lower than the RTX 2080, but higher than the RTX 2070.
Radeon VII is only released on 7 February.
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#5633050 Posted on: 01/29/2019 06:35 PM
Did u get your's yet to play with it, sir?
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#5633056 Posted on: 01/29/2019 06:43 PM
I am going to take that as a yes! Looking forward to the review Hilbert!
I am going to take that as a yes! Looking forward to the review Hilbert!
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#5633059 Posted on: 01/29/2019 06:48 PM
These things will only improve with time.
I believe AMD improves GPUs over time much more than Nvidia does.
I honestly think this cards performance will increase over time. Not to 2080ti levels but to in between the 2080 an ti somewhere.
These things will only improve with time.
I believe AMD improves GPUs over time much more than Nvidia does.
I honestly think this cards performance will increase over time. Not to 2080ti levels but to in between the 2080 an ti somewhere.
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#5633062 Posted on: 01/29/2019 07:04 PM
These things will only improve with time.
I believe AMD improves GPUs over time much more than Nvidia does.
I honestly think this cards performance will increase over time. Not to 2080ti levels but to in between the 2080 an ti somewhere.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-nvidia-driver-updates-performance-tested,5707.html
Both companies improve their drivers, both companies beat out eachother in different scenarios, they are effectively equal in their improvements unless you're specifically looking at 1 game, and then it'll depend on which game it is to determine who is "better" at improving performance through drivers
In fact, on average, nvidia performance via driver updates is 4.3% improvement, vs AMDs 2.3% average, which would state that technically, nvidia is better, unlike your statement says. But realistically, it all depends on the game, and a 2.3% or 4.3% is not enough to worry about in the first place. The places that either companies get the biggest improvements from are games where a specific companies card didn't work well in due to a bug or bugs from the beginning, such as rise of the tomb raider for AMD, which saw a pretty big improvement over initial drivers, but this is kinda a double edge sword, as yes, it saw big improvements, but it only saw big improvements due to the fact that there was a bug causing lower then expected performance on the initial driver....this is less "optimization" and more "we had issues in the beginning, now we don't".
These things will only improve with time.
I believe AMD improves GPUs over time much more than Nvidia does.
I honestly think this cards performance will increase over time. Not to 2080ti levels but to in between the 2080 an ti somewhere.
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-nvidia-driver-updates-performance-tested,5707.html
Both companies improve their drivers, both companies beat out eachother in different scenarios, they are effectively equal in their improvements unless you're specifically looking at 1 game, and then it'll depend on which game it is to determine who is "better" at improving performance through drivers
In fact, on average, nvidia performance via driver updates is 4.3% improvement, vs AMDs 2.3% average, which would state that technically, nvidia is better, unlike your statement says. But realistically, it all depends on the game, and a 2.3% or 4.3% is not enough to worry about in the first place. The places that either companies get the biggest improvements from are games where a specific companies card didn't work well in due to a bug or bugs from the beginning, such as rise of the tomb raider for AMD, which saw a pretty big improvement over initial drivers, but this is kinda a double edge sword, as yes, it saw big improvements, but it only saw big improvements due to the fact that there was a bug causing lower then expected performance on the initial driver....this is less "optimization" and more "we had issues in the beginning, now we don't".
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#5633068 Posted on: 01/29/2019 07:09 PM
If this falls between a 2080 and the 2080 TI in terms of gaming performance at 100$ less than the 2080, this is a definite buy.
If this falls between a 2080 and the 2080 TI in terms of gaming performance at 100$ less than the 2080, this is a definite buy.
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#5633070 Posted on: 01/29/2019 07:12 PM
keep dreaming
If this falls between a 2080 and the 2080 TI in terms of gaming performance at 100$ less than the 2080, this is a definite buy.
keep dreaming
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#5633071 Posted on: 01/29/2019 07:13 PM
Please don't forget to make a "undervolt" test on this card. All AMD cards have great potential even with identical freqs but at much lower voltages. My Vega 64 gives better scores than default with 130W lower power consumption.
Please don't forget to make a "undervolt" test on this card. All AMD cards have great potential even with identical freqs but at much lower voltages. My Vega 64 gives better scores than default with 130W lower power consumption.
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#5633072 Posted on: 01/29/2019 07:16 PM
RTX 2080 and Radeon VII will be the same price, and will likely trade blows between eachother.
The main difference will be, for the same price, you won't get ray tracing capabilities.
Even IF you don't care for ray tracing, it just doesn't make sense to get less, for the same price.
But to each their own, this card will be good for any software that can utilize near the 16GB of ram.
If this falls between a 2080 and the 2080 TI in terms of gaming performance at 100$ less than the 2080, this is a definite buy.
RTX 2080 and Radeon VII will be the same price, and will likely trade blows between eachother.
The main difference will be, for the same price, you won't get ray tracing capabilities.
Even IF you don't care for ray tracing, it just doesn't make sense to get less, for the same price.
But to each their own, this card will be good for any software that can utilize near the 16GB of ram.
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#5633075 Posted on: 01/29/2019 07:19 PM
To be honest that FS score is few hundred higher than my Vega64 OC score and also my TimeSpy score is similar. Few hundred points less.
FS:
Graphics Score: 27 411
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/17909241
FS Ultra:
Graphics Score 6 616
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/18084680
TimeSpy:
Graphics Score 8 510
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/5853405
I am running now on custom water, but previuosly I had aircooled Morpheus II cooler and with that the scores were maybe 100-200 points lower.
So Vega 7 is not that impressive.
But those scores are like bare minimum ofcourse. Overclocking Vega 7 will result at least +3000-3500 points on those leaked numbers.
To be honest that FS score is few hundred higher than my Vega64 OC score and also my TimeSpy score is similar. Few hundred points less.
FS:
Graphics Score: 27 411
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/17909241
FS Ultra:
Graphics Score 6 616
https://www.3dmark.com/fs/18084680
TimeSpy:
Graphics Score 8 510
https://www.3dmark.com/spy/5853405
I am running now on custom water, but previuosly I had aircooled Morpheus II cooler and with that the scores were maybe 100-200 points lower.
So Vega 7 is not that impressive.
But those scores are like bare minimum ofcourse. Overclocking Vega 7 will result at least +3000-3500 points on those leaked numbers.
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#5633077 Posted on: 01/29/2019 07:19 PM
Kinda underwhelmed by this, late to the party yet again AMD.
Kinda underwhelmed by this, late to the party yet again AMD.
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#5633083 Posted on: 01/29/2019 07:24 PM
RTX 2080 and Radeon VII will be the same price, and will likely trade blows between eachother.
The main difference will be, for the same price, you won't get ray tracing capabilities.
Even IF you don't care for ray tracing, it just doesn't make sense to get less, for the same price.
But to each their own, this card will be good for any software that can utilize near the 16GB of ram.
Up here you get 2080s at the FE price (799USD) not the 699USD variant,(cept for a few dual fan outliers). Shipping from the US will get you dinged for customs even if you save on taxes. So im definitely hoping this makes a bit of a difference. As for ray tracing and dlss....i have yet to see it being a worthy option.
RTX 2080 and Radeon VII will be the same price, and will likely trade blows between eachother.
The main difference will be, for the same price, you won't get ray tracing capabilities.
Even IF you don't care for ray tracing, it just doesn't make sense to get less, for the same price.
But to each their own, this card will be good for any software that can utilize near the 16GB of ram.
Up here you get 2080s at the FE price (799USD) not the 699USD variant,(cept for a few dual fan outliers). Shipping from the US will get you dinged for customs even if you save on taxes. So im definitely hoping this makes a bit of a difference. As for ray tracing and dlss....i have yet to see it being a worthy option.
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#5633088 Posted on: 01/29/2019 07:29 PM
Late, yes. But how can you be underwhelmed by a product that nobody expected, is not a flagship, and is basically made of spare binned parts? The fact it competes with a 2080 at all when Navi is the arch we're supposed to be interested in makes this relatively "whelming".
Kinda underwhelmed by this, late to the party yet again AMD.
Late, yes. But how can you be underwhelmed by a product that nobody expected, is not a flagship, and is basically made of spare binned parts? The fact it competes with a 2080 at all when Navi is the arch we're supposed to be interested in makes this relatively "whelming".
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#5633098 Posted on: 01/29/2019 07:36 PM
Maybe see a couple Pro-sumer tests?
Maybe see a couple Pro-sumer tests?
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#5633099 Posted on: 01/29/2019 07:37 PM
I'm not sure how you define this as not a flagship? It'll be AMDs best performing, most expensive card.....it is their flagship, even if it doesn't match nvidias highest end in performance or cost....
Personally, i fully understand not being excited about this launch, it's a launch that provides a performance you could have gotten 1.5 years ago, at the price you could have bought it 1.5 years ago. Sure, same can be said about the 2080, but at least the 2080 doesn't JUST do the same performance for the same price, regardless of anyones feelings on that subject, it's fact.
Now, if the Radeon VII cost $499 or $549, i'd be much more interested, and i think most people conveying their lack of enthusiasm would also be much more interested in it. Heck, even if it was $599, it'd be a bit more interesting. But at $699, the only people i feel should be interested in this GPU, are people who are interested in HBM memory becoming the "norm"(which i am), interested in 16GB of memory for applications that can use it or people who are die-hard AMD fans that would never touch an nvidia product.
It really just feels like a stop-gap that should have never happened, at least at this price, as i can't see why even a die-hard AMD fan who would never buy an nvidia card would buy this card knowing it's not Navi, knowing what they have been waiting for, for years, they are still waiting for.
Late, yes. But how can you be underwhelmed by a product that nobody expected, is not a flagship, and is basically made of spare binned parts? The fact it competes with a 2080 at all when Navi is the arch we're supposed to be interested in makes this relatively "whelming".
I'm not sure how you define this as not a flagship? It'll be AMDs best performing, most expensive card.....it is their flagship, even if it doesn't match nvidias highest end in performance or cost....
Personally, i fully understand not being excited about this launch, it's a launch that provides a performance you could have gotten 1.5 years ago, at the price you could have bought it 1.5 years ago. Sure, same can be said about the 2080, but at least the 2080 doesn't JUST do the same performance for the same price, regardless of anyones feelings on that subject, it's fact.
Now, if the Radeon VII cost $499 or $549, i'd be much more interested, and i think most people conveying their lack of enthusiasm would also be much more interested in it. Heck, even if it was $599, it'd be a bit more interesting. But at $699, the only people i feel should be interested in this GPU, are people who are interested in HBM memory becoming the "norm"(which i am), interested in 16GB of memory for applications that can use it or people who are die-hard AMD fans that would never touch an nvidia product.
It really just feels like a stop-gap that should have never happened, at least at this price, as i can't see why even a die-hard AMD fan who would never buy an nvidia card would buy this card knowing it's not Navi, knowing what they have been waiting for, for years, they are still waiting for.
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Did u get your's yet to play with it, sir?