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Overall the Radeon RX 580 performed over 30% faster. Interesting. Then again, where the previous battlefield was an NVIDIA sponsored title, Battlefield V we're not sure of who has the partnership this round (though we're pretty confident it's NV though). In the end, I'd like to mention, this is an ALPHA release, drivers have not been optimized and likely nothing has been tuned. Hey, for all we know it's image quality related. Have a peek at the results that PCGamesN reported, incl DX11/DX12 measurements. Allow me to be realistic here though, with an Alpha release this early in the development stage, the numbers mean absolutely nothing.
Source: PCGamesN
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#5563511 Posted on: 07/09/2018 03:17 PM
So you're saying the RX580 just sucks then right? Because at 1080p, which is what almost everyone buying these cards will be playing at, the performance is essentially even.
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-06-29-geforce-gtx-1060-vs-rx-580-7001
https://www.techspot.com/review/1393-radeon-rx-580-vs-geforce-gtx-1060/page8.html
Idk these other tests, but in the one posted in news 1060 sucked.
So you're saying the RX580 just sucks then right? Because at 1080p, which is what almost everyone buying these cards will be playing at, the performance is essentially even.
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-06-29-geforce-gtx-1060-vs-rx-580-7001
https://www.techspot.com/review/1393-radeon-rx-580-vs-geforce-gtx-1060/page8.html
Idk these other tests, but in the one posted in news 1060 sucked.
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#5563516 Posted on: 07/09/2018 03:33 PM
I'm not fixing anything. These are all valid from a variety of sources, whether that be other sites, reddit, end-users or even youtube. It's not all one sided as my Vermintide 2 quote also states the benefit of DX12 and as you've pointed out for extremetech's screenshot from Hardocp for Sniper Elite 4 results. However, a screenshot of a positive result is only one small part of that article. Directly below that screenshot they said;
"The answer to whether DirectX 12 was better or worse than DirectX 11 boils down to “It depends.” Specifically, it depends on whether you’re using an AMD or an Nvidia GPU, and it depends on the game itself. AMD GPUs were less likely to show a performance delta between the two APIs, while Nvidia cards still tended to tilt towards DX11 overall. ardOCP notes in its conclusion that DX11 is still the better overall API option, but that DX12 support has improved from both companies, performance deltas between the two APIs have dropped, and in a few cases, DX12 pulls out strong wins."
IMHO, that's fair comment. It shows the reality of the situation, that progress is being made in both camps and DX12 implementations in a few games is very good. However, we are still not past the point where devs have mastered DX12, far from it even. As long as we are in this transitional period, then, we should expect bumps in the road ahead and for DX12 to not perform to it's full potential. This is to be expected for a low-level api.
Your own positive experiences is obviously not universal, and is regardless of the need for DX12, that in-fact is a different topic to what I'm showing here. This isn't about whether we need DX12, it's about the transition and end-user experiences so far. Also, waiting for a game to mature, especially in terms of DX12 support really isn't what end-users want. They just put up with it because they have to. That's where DX11 support for games like BF1 and Battlefront 2 can literally be the difference for some games between being playable or buggy. As things stand today; DX12 doesn't negate DX11 in the majority of cases, for the majority of users.
Even the fact that you will accept crashing shows that people have different expectations. Many people would rather take a slightly less smooth experience for more stability, which is what that particular reddit post shows and that's perfectly valid. We're not talking about one person's view-point; those links combined provide a wide variety of view-points at different times of end-user experiences. It's not as if people don't want DX12 to be great, we all want that.
As for me, if a game is buggy I will say so and call it out, regardless of api. If I have a driver problem, I will report and discuss it. I'm not going to shut-up just because I'm using an Nvidia card. I hope you can be honest with your findings as well, rather than keeping quiet to avoid making things like DX12 or AMD look bad.
I think that it is simple. Look at 1st DX 9 game and last one. Do same for DX11. And you can do same for DX12, where you can say that we are still about seeing those 1st games.
Technology is needed. People who complain about their experience are Console minded people.
This is PC world we're talking here about. To those complaining:
"Do You have PC? Then you are responsible for HW, SW inside. You are responsible for all settings. Does it sux for you? Maybe you should go back to consoles where developer takes responsibility. But in PC World, it is your responsibility."
I'm not fixing anything. These are all valid from a variety of sources, whether that be other sites, reddit, end-users or even youtube. It's not all one sided as my Vermintide 2 quote also states the benefit of DX12 and as you've pointed out for extremetech's screenshot from Hardocp for Sniper Elite 4 results. However, a screenshot of a positive result is only one small part of that article. Directly below that screenshot they said;
"The answer to whether DirectX 12 was better or worse than DirectX 11 boils down to “It depends.” Specifically, it depends on whether you’re using an AMD or an Nvidia GPU, and it depends on the game itself. AMD GPUs were less likely to show a performance delta between the two APIs, while Nvidia cards still tended to tilt towards DX11 overall. ardOCP notes in its conclusion that DX11 is still the better overall API option, but that DX12 support has improved from both companies, performance deltas between the two APIs have dropped, and in a few cases, DX12 pulls out strong wins."
IMHO, that's fair comment. It shows the reality of the situation, that progress is being made in both camps and DX12 implementations in a few games is very good. However, we are still not past the point where devs have mastered DX12, far from it even. As long as we are in this transitional period, then, we should expect bumps in the road ahead and for DX12 to not perform to it's full potential. This is to be expected for a low-level api.
Your own positive experiences is obviously not universal, and is regardless of the need for DX12, that in-fact is a different topic to what I'm showing here. This isn't about whether we need DX12, it's about the transition and end-user experiences so far. Also, waiting for a game to mature, especially in terms of DX12 support really isn't what end-users want. They just put up with it because they have to. That's where DX11 support for games like BF1 and Battlefront 2 can literally be the difference for some games between being playable or buggy. As things stand today; DX12 doesn't negate DX11 in the majority of cases, for the majority of users.
Even the fact that you will accept crashing shows that people have different expectations. Many people would rather take a slightly less smooth experience for more stability, which is what that particular reddit post shows and that's perfectly valid. We're not talking about one person's view-point; those links combined provide a wide variety of view-points at different times of end-user experiences. It's not as if people don't want DX12 to be great, we all want that.
As for me, if a game is buggy I will say so and call it out, regardless of api. If I have a driver problem, I will report and discuss it. I'm not going to shut-up just because I'm using an Nvidia card. I hope you can be honest with your findings as well, rather than keeping quiet to avoid making things like DX12 or AMD look bad.
I think that it is simple. Look at 1st DX 9 game and last one. Do same for DX11. And you can do same for DX12, where you can say that we are still about seeing those 1st games.
Technology is needed. People who complain about their experience are Console minded people.
This is PC world we're talking here about. To those complaining:
"Do You have PC? Then you are responsible for HW, SW inside. You are responsible for all settings. Does it sux for you? Maybe you should go back to consoles where developer takes responsibility. But in PC World, it is your responsibility."
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#5563526 Posted on: 07/09/2018 04:43 PM
I think that it is simple. Look at 1st DX 9 game and last one. Do same for DX11. And you can do same for DX12, where you can say that we are still about seeing those 1st games.
Technology is needed. People who complain about their experience are Console minded people.
This is PC world we're talking here about. To those complaining:
"Do You have PC? Then you are responsible for HW, SW inside. You are responsible for all settings. Does it sux for you? Maybe you should go back to consoles where developer takes responsibility. But in PC World, it is your responsibility."
Whoever said what you've quoted is the type who takes it up the arse because that's all they've ever known and they expect everyone else to. That mindset has nothing to do with consoles or console gamers. Just blatant sheep.
I think that it is simple. Look at 1st DX 9 game and last one. Do same for DX11. And you can do same for DX12, where you can say that we are still about seeing those 1st games.
Technology is needed. People who complain about their experience are Console minded people.
This is PC world we're talking here about. To those complaining:
"Do You have PC? Then you are responsible for HW, SW inside. You are responsible for all settings. Does it sux for you? Maybe you should go back to consoles where developer takes responsibility. But in PC World, it is your responsibility."
Whoever said what you've quoted is the type who takes it up the arse because that's all they've ever known and they expect everyone else to. That mindset has nothing to do with consoles or console gamers. Just blatant sheep.
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#5563537 Posted on: 07/09/2018 05:20 PM
Now put @Clawedge 's avatar here and imagine somebody saying this with a very British accent:
"I believe they are called plebs, console plebs, aren't they?"
Whoever said what you've quoted is the type who takes it up the arse because that's all they've ever known and they expect everyone else to. That mindset has nothing to do with consoles or console gamers. Just blatant sheep.
Now put @Clawedge 's avatar here and imagine somebody saying this with a very British accent:
"I believe they are called plebs, console plebs, aren't they?"
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So you're saying the RX580 just sucks then right? Because at 1080p, which is what almost everyone buying these cards will be playing at, the performance is essentially even.
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-06-29-geforce-gtx-1060-vs-rx-580-7001
https://www.techspot.com/review/1393-radeon-rx-580-vs-geforce-gtx-1060/page8.html