AMD Radeon RX 5700 (NAVI) AIB customized cards available in August

#5682147 Posted on: 06/19/2019 11:07 AM

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I wonder how much of an improvement the AIB cards will be, since the Navi cards have power limit restrictions.
My plan is to add a Navi card to my custom loop, mainly for silence. But I would try some overclocking if it doesn't produce too much heat for the loop to stay silent.
I'm sure we'll see a reference vs AIB design comparison on air, but I'd really appreciate it if someone included a water cooling performance comparison, too. Very hard to get one, I know.

#5682186 Posted on: 06/19/2019 01:06 PM

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Releasing a card that isn't any faster than their previous is kind of bonkers especially when you look at the power consumption.
This silicon should of had more and be competing with the 2080 not the 2070,
There is no good reason to purchase one of these it wont change your gaming experience.
Disappointing for the consumer but interesting to the tech.

#5682202 Posted on: 06/19/2019 01:49 PM

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Releasing a card that isn't any faster than their previous is kind of bonkers especially when you look at the power consumption.
This silicon should of had more and be competing with the 2080 not the 2070,
There is no good reason to purchase one of these it wont change your gaming experience.
Disappointing for the consumer but interesting to the tech.
What won't change your gaming experience? Of course a Vega 56/64/Radeon VII owner is not neccessarily changing GPU, but most gamers have much cheaper cards than those. RTX 2060 is some % faster than the Vega 56. The RX5700 will be about 10% faster than the RTX 2060, meaning you will have a Vega 64 performance for $380 (30-80$ less than a Vega64) with 115W less TDP. And there will be an RTX 2070 + ~10% performance with 225W TDP, meaning it will be around the Radeon VII (or a bit faster than that) for $250, 75W (and 8GB VRAM) less.

#5682212 Posted on: 06/19/2019 02:01 PM

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Releasing a card that isn't any faster than their previous is kind of bonkers especially when you look at the power consumption.
This silicon should of had more and be competing with the 2080 not the 2070,
There is no good reason to purchase one of these it wont change your gaming experience.
Disappointing for the consumer but interesting to the tech.
You would be right to complain if we were talking 5900. But since this is two performance tiers down from AMD's usual flagship range, your complaint is somewhat moot. I say "somewhat" because the estimated power consumption is disappointing.

#5682214 Posted on: 06/19/2019 02:08 PM

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We will have a great product line, but as some have said here at Guru3D, AMD often doesn't handle the launch very well. Navi will get more interesting as more time goes by and I expect a significant price drop only after one month from release. It seems they want to try the Nvidia way to sell the default model at a higher price for early adopters, so the upcoming custom cards are cheaper, the real deal. What a stupid move if this happens, but I guess the launch price is set in stone now, so it will. Wait till August and you will have a great deal and if you wish to wait till Black Friday you will get an awesome deal! Navi is a small chip and it can price out Nvidia any day, until they refresh Turing with 7 nm, then Radeon is screwed once again, which is sad for Navi 20, most likely making it a rather unpopular product. If I were AMD, I would sell Navi for this short period of time with a lower profit margin just to gain marketshare as much as possible to avoid consumers upgrading to 7 nm Turing instead of Navi. If one has bought a new GPU in autumn, he will most likely not buy a new one in a long time after that, no matter what comes up.

#5682229 Posted on: 06/19/2019 02:34 PM

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Hilbert Hagedoorn - Are you going to take long vacation in the end of the year? Just thought about it and realized that if we just look at AMD : They are releasing 8 new CPU's + 3 new Navi SKU's for review next month + there are over 50 new X570 boards to review and after that in Agust you gonna have new Custom design Navi cards + new Nvidia Super + in Q4 new TR4000 coming with new X599 boards, and if Intel will release more new parts than even more work.
Wow, upcoming months gonna be very hard on the Reviewers, so much work.

#5682241 Posted on: 06/19/2019 03:09 PM

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well you can buy a vega 64 for less and slide the power down to 180 watts and only loose single digit performance look.
Im sorry but i dont agree with your opinion because it has no basis in reality.
I can lower power usage of my vega 64 that costs less than these cards and still be more efficient and faster.
These cards have no business existing.

#5682251 Posted on: 06/19/2019 03:45 PM

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@Grumpymangrumbling2019 : Can you wait with that till you see actual review here?

#5682263 Posted on: 06/19/2019 04:36 PM

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I was hoping for a upgrade and as usual AMD fails to deliver.

#5682265 Posted on: 06/19/2019 04:51 PM

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Card hasn’t been released and reviewed yet and you declared it a failure. Pretty sure everyone on here can ignore your opinion on AMD products.

#5682267 Posted on: 06/19/2019 04:55 PM

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So.... despite your obvious pessimism, why exactly were you hoping a mid-range GPU, which we don't have any real benchmarks of, was going to be something you'd upgrade to? That's like ordering a steak, knowing full well what one tastes like, and despite this, you complain that it doesn't taste like a chocolate cake before you even got it.

This is no different: you already had in your mindset that this GPU wasn't going to be what you wanted, it was never built to be what you wanted, and even though there's no real performance data on it, you're already disappointed. Your "hopes" are delusional.

#5682345 Posted on: 06/19/2019 08:50 PM

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I wonder how much of an improvement the AIB cards will be, since the Navi cards have power limit restrictions.
My plan is to add a Navi card to my custom loop, mainly for silence. But I would try some overclocking if it doesn't produce too much heat for the loop to stay silent.
I'm sure we'll see a reference vs AIB design comparison on air, but I'd really appreciate it if someone included a water cooling performance comparison, too. Very hard to get one, I know.

I can tell you from my experience with V64 Nitro. The card out of the box was 12% faster than the V64 reference. By undervolting was able to keep it stable at 1700Mhz core clock (for benchmarks went to 1750), and 1100 HBM while was quiet.

Performance to put in perspective, it beat royally my watercooled GTX1080 @ 2190.
As for in relation to current cards, a reference V64 at 1576/945, keeps up with a RTX2070 @ 1905 been neck and neck of within up to 5 fps difference depending the games. So add an extra 13% on top for the V64 Nitro when fine tuned.

Similarly here, given that the reference model is faster than the 2070, tweaking an AIB or watercooling, it will be within single digit % of the 2080 and RVII. Cards costing >50% more. Also from the AMD benchmarks, we saw some games like AC, the RDNA gets big perf boost over GCN where GCN was lacking.

#5682410 Posted on: 06/20/2019 01:43 AM

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I can tell you from my experience with V64 Nitro. The card out of the box was 12% faster than the V64 reference. By undervolting was able to keep it stable at 1700Mhz core clock (for benchmarks went to 1750), and 1100 HBM while was quiet.

Performance to put in perspective, it beat royally my watercooled GTX1080 @ 2190.
As for in relation to current cards, a reference V64 at 1576/945, keeps up with a RTX2070 @ 1905 been neck and neck of within up to 5 fps difference depending the games. So add an extra 13% on top for the V64 Nitro when fine tuned.

Similarly here, given that the reference model is faster than the 2070, tweaking an AIB or watercooling, it will be within single digit % of the 2080 and RVII. Cards costing >50% more. Also from the AMD benchmarks, we saw some games like AC, the RDNA gets big perf boost over GCN where GCN was lacking.

There's more performance on the table too with memory timing tweaks, 3%+

It affects Samsung more since Hynix uses tighter timings.

Also Vulkan uses GCN well, it can use the 4096 shaders from the V64. I have tested both in World War Z, V56/V64 and the V64 is 7-8% faster at same clocks

These Navi cards will be trading blows in the future, guaranteed. Also had a Nitro, beautiful card.

#5682469 Posted on: 06/20/2019 08:23 AM

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I can tell you from my experience with V64 Nitro. The card out of the box was 12% faster than the V64 reference. By undervolting was able to keep it stable at 1700Mhz core clock (for benchmarks went to 1750), and 1100 HBM while was quiet.

Performance to put in perspective, it beat royally my watercooled GTX1080 @ 2190.
As for in relation to current cards, a reference V64 at 1576/945, keeps up with a RTX2070 @ 1905 been neck and neck of within up to 5 fps difference depending the games. So add an extra 13% on top for the V64 Nitro when fine tuned.

Similarly here, given that the reference model is faster than the 2070, tweaking an AIB or watercooling, it will be within single digit % of the 2080 and RVII. Cards costing >50% more. Also from the AMD benchmarks, we saw some games like AC, the RDNA gets big perf boost over GCN where GCN was lacking.

If I'm not mistaken, Vega cards where power hungry and the blower fan sucks (pun intended), so it does make sense that the better cooling options offered by AIBs would make a big difference on air. But what I'm really interested in finding out, is how much of a performance difference should we expect between a watercooled reference design Navi GPU, and a watercooled aftermarket Navi GPU.
From what I've heard, Navi is power restricted, so if the VRMs on the reference cards are good enough, the performance differences will mainly come from better cooling.

#5682499 Posted on: 06/20/2019 10:51 AM

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Yeah, I don't see how these cards have bad performance. It's a great 1440p card that's probably going to last some time. I'm more disappointed in the power draw and the prices, as I think it should have been 50$ cheaper which would make the custom AIB prices what is the current MSRP.

Anyway, I'd wait for the refresh from NVIDIA and buy whatever is better, there's bound to be better drivers and probably a discount by that time.