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AMD Radeon R300 Grenada is 380X, Fiji is 390X and Bermuda is 395x2
Alright, it's time for some sugar and spice. New specs and codenames for AMDs upcoming Radeon 300 series have surfaced on the web. Initially you will see a Radeon R9 380X and R9 380 graphics released, these now fall under codename Grenanda.
Fiji and Bermuda (Radeon R9 390 & 390X & 395x2)
We start with Fiji, this will be an new GCN v1.3 based silicon, that GPU forms the basis of the high-end and enthusiast class products. Very little is know TBH. The latest gossip points towards 4,096 shader processors / GCN 1.3 architecture / 256 TMUs with 128 ROPs, and a 1024-bit wide HBM memory interface, offering 640 GB/s of memory bandwidth. We assume 4 GB will be defacto the the memory amount. Expect the R9 390, the R9 390X, and the 2x Fiji = Bermuda = R9 390X2 to be based on that GPU.
Grenada (Radeon R9 380 & 380X)
Grenada will be based on the good and relatively old 28nm fab process, the GPU will actually be refresh of Hawaii. Here is the spicy bit as this is going to be rather disappointing for a lot of you guys, Grenada will have the same specs as Hawaii - 2,816 GCN stream processors, 176 TMUs, 64 ROPs, and a 512-bit wide GDDR5 memory interface and is tapping into 4 GB memory (fully usable we assume:). The GPU is different in the sense that it is going to have increased clock frequencies to beat the GTX 980 from Nvidia. We expect a similar TDP, yet better cooling we hope.
Hawaii GPU to be refreshed
Tonga (Radeon R9 370 & 370X)
The second rumor is that Tonga (R9 285) which had a rather miserable launch will be re-used and form the basis of the Radeon R9 370 series. Tonga has 2,048 shader processors, GCN 1.3 architecture, 128 TMUs, 32 ROPs, and a 384-bit wide GDDR5 memory interface. We expect these cards to have increased clocks and 3GB of graphics memory.
Trinidad (Radeon R7 360 & 360X)
Trinidad is the low-end segment, and will be the Radeon R7 360 & 360X. Very little is known however this will be a refresh based on Pitcairn.
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It is rumored that AMD is working hard on releasing the next high-end graphics cards, tagged as Radeon R9 390X (or 380X). Asian website Chiphell now has posted a couple of benchmarks in their forums ...
AMD Radeon 390 and 390X Specs and Benchmarks ? - 11/11/2014 08:57 AM
Interesting news, over at the ranking system of SiSoft Sandra new entries have been spotted of what seem to be GPUs that we don't know of. And the specs are pretty appealing. Let's call the two entr...
AMD Radeon R9 285 Launches September 2nd - 08/22/2014 07:00 AM
AMD has kept the wraps on this one tight, however a document shows that the Tonga based Radeon R9 285 will be released onb the 2nd September, 2014. Tomorrow August 23rd AMD is celebrating 30 years o...
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Several AMD Radeon R9 285 Tonga based GPU cards Spotted - 08/11/2014 09:17 AM
It was rumored already that AMD is about to release a R9 285 based on the new Tonga GPU. Tonga will likely have the very rather similar shader processor count as one of the "Tahiti" GPUs ...
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#5010609 Posted on: 02/09/2015 04:25 PM
I'm not surprised about the rebranding, they did the exact same thing with the last generation. I only care about the 390X anyway, can't wait to see if it's as good as the rumors makes it out to be.
I'm not surprised about the rebranding, they did the exact same thing with the last generation. I only care about the 390X anyway, can't wait to see if it's as good as the rumors makes it out to be.
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#5010611 Posted on: 02/09/2015 04:26 PM
Hype is real. That 390X specs are godlike. Cant wait to get my hands on one of those.
Hype is real. That 390X specs are godlike. Cant wait to get my hands on one of those.
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#5010620 Posted on: 02/09/2015 04:41 PM
one other thought on these cards...
Though the 390X is meant to draw about 300w under load like the 290X... it of course is producing about 50% more performance for the same power consumption.
Once you fps limit to 60fps, it will be like a walk in the park for this card in Many games I play which in turn = a Large drop in power consumption.
It should be a Very Efficient card power wise for all but the most intensive games.
...But ofc I will be pairing this with a Freesync 4k (144Hz when they finally arrive) screen though which kinda blows most of that out the window xD
one other thought on these cards...
Though the 390X is meant to draw about 300w under load like the 290X... it of course is producing about 50% more performance for the same power consumption.
Once you fps limit to 60fps, it will be like a walk in the park for this card in Many games I play which in turn = a Large drop in power consumption.
It should be a Very Efficient card power wise for all but the most intensive games.
...But ofc I will be pairing this with a Freesync 4k (144Hz when they finally arrive) screen though which kinda blows most of that out the window xD
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#5010621 Posted on: 02/09/2015 04:42 PM
Yes. They'll finally bring world peace and end hunger!
On a serious note. The specs really don't mean much until we see performance reviews.
Hype is real. That 390X specs are godlike. Cant wait to get my hands on one of those.
Yes. They'll finally bring world peace and end hunger!
On a serious note. The specs really don't mean much until we see performance reviews.
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#5010631 Posted on: 02/09/2015 04:57 PM
AMD's excuse would be no 20nm tech. nVIDIA's is communication error.
Nice comparison.
Comparison? Who is comparing? I'm correcting.
You are wrong if you think it's okay to bash one company for a legitimate design, and then not bash another for rebranding and not saying so.
So either way you look at it, both companies did something they didn't say they did on their advertising of the product.
I don't see anywhere on AMD's website or box art for the card that says.
WARNING: THIS IS A REBRANDED PRODUCT WITH SLIGHTLY FASTER CLOCK SPEEDS.
or....
WARNING: THIS CARD HAS A 500MB VRAM BUFFER.
AMD's excuse would be no 20nm tech. nVIDIA's is communication error.
Nice comparison.
Comparison? Who is comparing? I'm correcting.
You are wrong if you think it's okay to bash one company for a legitimate design, and then not bash another for rebranding and not saying so.
So either way you look at it, both companies did something they didn't say they did on their advertising of the product.
I don't see anywhere on AMD's website or box art for the card that says.
WARNING: THIS IS A REBRANDED PRODUCT WITH SLIGHTLY FASTER CLOCK SPEEDS.
or....
WARNING: THIS CARD HAS A 500MB VRAM BUFFER.
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#5010638 Posted on: 02/09/2015 05:04 PM
In some ways I'm glad the 290/290X has been rebranded - it means driver support will last much longer. Anybody think its possible to crossfire a 290 with a 380/380X? Or any benefits of reflashing a 290/290X to a 390/390X?
I suspect the 390/390X will still be very power-hungry, but I think AMD has learned their lesson that they lost potential customers due to the power draw. I will be surprised if their reference cooler is a piece of crap like last gen's.
Also I'm confused - if the 370 is Tonga, how is it GCN 1.3? IIRC, the 285 was GCN 1.2.
In some ways I'm glad the 290/290X has been rebranded - it means driver support will last much longer. Anybody think its possible to crossfire a 290 with a 380/380X? Or any benefits of reflashing a 290/290X to a 390/390X?
I suspect the 390/390X will still be very power-hungry, but I think AMD has learned their lesson that they lost potential customers due to the power draw. I will be surprised if their reference cooler is a piece of crap like last gen's.
Also I'm confused - if the 370 is Tonga, how is it GCN 1.3? IIRC, the 285 was GCN 1.2.
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#5010643 Posted on: 02/09/2015 05:09 PM
In some ways I'm glad the 290/290X has been rebranded - it means driver support will last much longer. Anybody think its possible to crossfire a 290 with a 380/380X? Or any benefits of reflashing a 290/290X to a 390/390X?
I suspect the 390/390X will still be very power-hungry, but I think AMD has learned their lesson that they lost potential customers due to the power draw. I will be surprised if their reference cooler is a piece of crap like last gen's.
Also I'm confused - if the 370 is Tonga, how is it GCN 1.3? IIRC, the 285 was GCN 1.2.
According to this chart it's GCN1.2.
In some ways I'm glad the 290/290X has been rebranded - it means driver support will last much longer. Anybody think its possible to crossfire a 290 with a 380/380X? Or any benefits of reflashing a 290/290X to a 390/390X?
I suspect the 390/390X will still be very power-hungry, but I think AMD has learned their lesson that they lost potential customers due to the power draw. I will be surprised if their reference cooler is a piece of crap like last gen's.
Also I'm confused - if the 370 is Tonga, how is it GCN 1.3? IIRC, the 285 was GCN 1.2.
According to this chart it's GCN1.2.
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#5010648 Posted on: 02/09/2015 05:12 PM
Only Speculations.
Who knows if 380X will have HBM,who knows if all 3xx are rebranded old products.
We sit and wait.
Only Speculations.
Who knows if 380X will have HBM,who knows if all 3xx are rebranded old products.
We sit and wait.
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#5010649 Posted on: 02/09/2015 05:12 PM
Comparison? Who is comparing? I'm correcting.
You are wrong if you think it's okay to bash one company for a legitimate design, and then not bash another for rebranding and not saying so.
But what does it matter if the 290X is completely rebranded?
"People buy based on performance shown in reviews!"
/every argument by 970 owners
Although I agree with you that rebranding and not saying so is quite dishonest, and a bit manipulative. It's not like the price isn't dropping and since the card isn't out, I don't know if anything extra is being added, this argument is altogether meaningless.
Time will tell.
Yes, but nVIDIA falsely advertised. AMD would be misleading. There is still a difference. Did you know it's actually legal to put a label of "New" on a store product, and change absolutely nothing about its content?
You forgot:
"We no longer optimize for GK110 or any Kepler, but buy this GPU anyway!!!"
And don't forget, it was out of AMD's hands. TMSC kind of screwed them and nVIDIA.
Comparison? Who is comparing? I'm correcting.
You are wrong if you think it's okay to bash one company for a legitimate design, and then not bash another for rebranding and not saying so.
But what does it matter if the 290X is completely rebranded?
"People buy based on performance shown in reviews!"
/every argument by 970 owners
Although I agree with you that rebranding and not saying so is quite dishonest, and a bit manipulative. It's not like the price isn't dropping and since the card isn't out, I don't know if anything extra is being added, this argument is altogether meaningless.
Time will tell.
So either way you look at it, both companies did something they didn't say they did on their advertising of the product.
Yes, but nVIDIA falsely advertised. AMD would be misleading. There is still a difference. Did you know it's actually legal to put a label of "New" on a store product, and change absolutely nothing about its content?
I don't see anywhere on AMD's website or box art for the card that says.
WARNING: THIS IS A REBRANDED PRODUCT WITH SLIGHTLY FASTER CLOCK SPEEDS.
or....
WARNING: THIS CARD HAS A 500MB VRAM BUFFER.
WARNING: THIS IS A REBRANDED PRODUCT WITH SLIGHTLY FASTER CLOCK SPEEDS.
or....
WARNING: THIS CARD HAS A 500MB VRAM BUFFER.
You forgot:
"We no longer optimize for GK110 or any Kepler, but buy this GPU anyway!!!"
And don't forget, it was out of AMD's hands. TMSC kind of screwed them and nVIDIA.
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#5010656 Posted on: 02/09/2015 05:18 PM
Comparison? Who is comparing? I'm correcting.
You are wrong if you think it's okay to bash one company for a legitimate design, and then not bash another for rebranding and not saying so.
So either way you look at it, both companies did something they didn't say they did on their advertising of the product.
I don't see anywhere on AMD's website or box art for the card that says.
WARNING: THIS IS A REBRANDED PRODUCT WITH SLIGHTLY FASTER CLOCK SPEEDS.
or....
WARNING: THIS CARD HAS A 500MB VRAM BUFFER.
You are still ultimately comparing 2 entirely different things. The first being everything on AMD's side is still just speculation on an unreleased product. That no one has spent money on yet. Also buffed rebrands in the mid-range have been par for the course from both sides, for a while now.
That's vastly different then selling something with unclear spec's, that doesn't become apparent until after people have begun purchasing said product. Also a buffer generally helps with speed/efficiency, and is generally faster than the source feeding it.
Comparison? Who is comparing? I'm correcting.
You are wrong if you think it's okay to bash one company for a legitimate design, and then not bash another for rebranding and not saying so.
So either way you look at it, both companies did something they didn't say they did on their advertising of the product.
I don't see anywhere on AMD's website or box art for the card that says.
WARNING: THIS IS A REBRANDED PRODUCT WITH SLIGHTLY FASTER CLOCK SPEEDS.
or....
WARNING: THIS CARD HAS A 500MB VRAM BUFFER.
You are still ultimately comparing 2 entirely different things. The first being everything on AMD's side is still just speculation on an unreleased product. That no one has spent money on yet. Also buffed rebrands in the mid-range have been par for the course from both sides, for a while now.
That's vastly different then selling something with unclear spec's, that doesn't become apparent until after people have begun purchasing said product. Also a buffer generally helps with speed/efficiency, and is generally faster than the source feeding it.
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#5010658 Posted on: 02/09/2015 05:20 PM
For any nvidia fans out there whining about rebrands - nvidia has been doing the same thing almost every year for about 8 years now, though, usually they only do it on low-end GPUs. I don't really understand why AMD would rebrand the 290(X) but since AMD is so slow to perfect drivers, I personally don't mind. Look at the performance of a 290(X) today vs when it was first released and I'm sure you'd see a pretty significant performance difference.
For any nvidia fans out there whining about rebrands - nvidia has been doing the same thing almost every year for about 8 years now, though, usually they only do it on low-end GPUs. I don't really understand why AMD would rebrand the 290(X) but since AMD is so slow to perfect drivers, I personally don't mind. Look at the performance of a 290(X) today vs when it was first released and I'm sure you'd see a pretty significant performance difference.
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#5010670 Posted on: 02/09/2015 05:33 PM
Amd has been rebranding for years as well, 7970 to a 8970 oem is a pretty recent example. It was just a 7970 under the hood.
Amd has been rebranding for years as well, 7970 to a 8970 oem is a pretty recent example. It was just a 7970 under the hood.
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#5010679 Posted on: 02/09/2015 05:44 PM
OEMs required and requested the/a card for sales, and AMD had to quickly comply so sales could continue.
Amd has been rebranding for years as well, 7970 to a 8970 oem is a pretty recent example. It was just a 7970 under the hood.
OEMs required and requested the/a card for sales, and AMD had to quickly comply so sales could continue.
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#5010681 Posted on: 02/09/2015 05:48 PM
And my R9 290 will be delivered today. Not that I am upset at all!
ll keep the 290 till full dx12 is required or it cant handle what I need to with crossfire 290's
Cant wait to see some benches and photos of these cards.
The bump from the 7970 to a 280x was pretty good.
Same for 7870 to 270x.
And my R9 290 will be delivered today. Not that I am upset at all!
ll keep the 290 till full dx12 is required or it cant handle what I need to with crossfire 290's
Cant wait to see some benches and photos of these cards.
The bump from the 7970 to a 280x was pretty good.
Same for 7870 to 270x.
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how much do you guys think how much it will cost the r9 390? i hope £300 i really want one