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AMD publishes Radeon VII benchmark results from 26 games
If you look a little closer at the footnotes of the following AMD's press conference at CES you will notice that AMD has listed 26 Benchmark results of the Radeon VII published. All compared relative towards the Radeon RX Vega 64, on average the product shows a perf increase of roughly 29 percent.
During the keynote, AMD already presented three games in performance metrics, but the good stuff thus is to be found in the footnotes. Before we begin, mind you that these are internal AMD results, not independent test sets from media like Guru3D. That means that AMD will always favor the scores in their advantage. The metrics have been collected on January 3 of this year. In the test system, the manufacturer relied on an Intel processor, the Core i7-7700K and 16 GB of RAM with a clock of 3,000 MHz. All games results are based on UHD (3,840 × 2,160 pixels) with maximized graphics settings.
| Game title | Radeon VII (FPS) | Radeon RX Vega 64 (FPS) | Perf increase |
|---|---|---|---|
| Assassin's Creed Odyssey | 36.0 | 28.0 | 28.6% |
| Battlefield 1 (DX12) | 80.5 | 59.2 | 36.0% |
| Battlefield 5 (DX12) | 62.2 | 46.7 | 33.2% |
| Call of Duty: Black Ops 4 | 82.3 | 68.0 | 21.0% |
| Destiny 2 | 65.1 | 50.9 | 27.9% |
| Deus Ex: Mankind Divided (DX12) | 53.4 | 40.2 | 32.8% |
| Doom (2016) | 89.5 | 67.2 | 33.2% |
| F1 2018 (DX12) | 78.0 | 61.0 | 27.9% |
| Fallout 76 | 76.6 | 45.5 | 68.4% |
| Far Cry 5 | 62.0 | 49.0 | 26.5% |
| Forza Horizon 4 (DX12) | 72.8 | 62.8 | 15.9% |
| Grand Theft Auto V | 76.2 | 60.1 | 26.8% |
| Hitman 2 | 53.3 | 49.6 | 7.5% |
| Just Cause 4 | 50.8 | 42.6 | 19.2% |
| Middle-Earth: Shadow Of War | 54.3 | 41.6 | 30.5% |
| Monster Hunter World | 35.4 | 29.4 | 20.4% |
| Rise of the Tomb Raider (DX12) | 58.3 | 46.0 | 26.7% |
| Shadow of the Tomb Raider (DX12) | 47.5 | 36.3 | 30.9% |
| Sid Meier's Civilization VI (DX12) | 97.1 | 78.1 | 24.3% |
| Star Control: Origins | 88.9 | 69.2 | 28.5% |
| Strange brigade volcano | 86.7 | 60.9 | 42.4% |
| The Witcher 3 | 55.4 | 41.4 | 33.8% |
| Ghost Recon Wildlands | 36.3 | 29.2 | 24.3% |
| Total War: Warhammer 2 | 34.6 | 28.3 | 22.3% |
| Wolfenstein 2 | 93.4 | 74.2 | 25.9% |
| Core i7-7700K, 16GB DDR4-3000, adrenaline 18.50, UHD, maximized settings | |||
Basically, you can see gains of 20 to 35 percent are recorded in most titles. Missing info are the clock rates the two tested graphics cards were running, nor which model was used exactly. AIB?AIC partner cards of the RX Vega 64 deliver 10 to 15 percent more FPS in many games than standard- clock models. Furthermore, they used non-final drivers on a non-final product.
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#5626343 Posted on: 01/11/2019 10:29 AM
Radeon VII is actually a desktop version of "Radeon Instinct MI50" : https://www.amd.com/en/products/professional-graphics/instinct-mi50
But there is also a "Radeon Instinct MI60" with 64 compute units, 4096 stream procs : https://www.amd.com/en/products/professional-graphics/instinct-mi60
so still there is hope for a possible RTX 2080 Ti competitor .
It's not likely the MI60 desktop/gaming version will ever be released.
And personally i feel that there is a very simply reason for this.
MI60 version of Radeon VII, would have 32GB of HMB2 memory....way too costly to produce a consumer grade card with, especially since that extra ram would not likely help the gaming performace all that much, maybe if you're trying to play 8K games?
And if it doesn't come with 32GB of HMB2, then the only difference would be the compute units.....4 extra compute units, if the frequency was the same, would be a 6% performance boost. Where would the pricing for this card be, for a 6% performance increase? $750 instead of $699? That would simply be...odd.
The only way it'd make since would be if it came with 4 extra compute units, and a 200-300mhz base clock increase, but i doubt that'd even be possible, as the Radeon VII is likely already hitting its "comfortable" max frequency.
Radeon VII is actually a desktop version of "Radeon Instinct MI50" : https://www.amd.com/en/products/professional-graphics/instinct-mi50
But there is also a "Radeon Instinct MI60" with 64 compute units, 4096 stream procs : https://www.amd.com/en/products/professional-graphics/instinct-mi60
so still there is hope for a possible RTX 2080 Ti competitor .
It's not likely the MI60 desktop/gaming version will ever be released.
And personally i feel that there is a very simply reason for this.
MI60 version of Radeon VII, would have 32GB of HMB2 memory....way too costly to produce a consumer grade card with, especially since that extra ram would not likely help the gaming performace all that much, maybe if you're trying to play 8K games?
And if it doesn't come with 32GB of HMB2, then the only difference would be the compute units.....4 extra compute units, if the frequency was the same, would be a 6% performance boost. Where would the pricing for this card be, for a 6% performance increase? $750 instead of $699? That would simply be...odd.
The only way it'd make since would be if it came with 4 extra compute units, and a 200-300mhz base clock increase, but i doubt that'd even be possible, as the Radeon VII is likely already hitting its "comfortable" max frequency.
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#5626346 Posted on: 01/11/2019 10:43 AM
An MI60 version with 16 GB VRAM could potentially get a 10% boost due to higher clocks, and the extra compute units would push that to roughly 20%. So, theortically, AMD could provide competition at a level above the Radeon VII.
An MI60 version with 16 GB VRAM could potentially get a 10% boost due to higher clocks, and the extra compute units would push that to roughly 20%. So, theortically, AMD could provide competition at a level above the Radeon VII.
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#5626347 Posted on: 01/11/2019 10:49 AM
It's not likely the MI60 desktop/gaming version will ever be released.
And personally i feel that there is a very simply reason for this.
MI60 version of Radeon VII, would have 32GB of HMB2 memory....way too costly to produce a consumer grade card with, especially since that extra ram would not likely help the gaming performace all that much, maybe if you're trying to play 8K games?
And if it doesn't come with 32GB of HMB2, then the only difference would be the compute units.....4 extra compute units, if the frequency was the same, would be a 6% performance boost. Where would the pricing for this card be, for a 6% performance increase? $750 instead of $699? That would simply be...odd.
The only way it'd make since would be if it came with 4 extra compute units, and a 200-300mhz base clock increase, but i doubt that'd even be possible, as the Radeon VII is likely already hitting its "comfortable" max frequency.
Maybe an updated version could add HDMI 2.1 and full compute units. Not a new model to exist alongside the current, but a replacement, like the updated GTX 1080 with better memory.
It's not likely the MI60 desktop/gaming version will ever be released.
And personally i feel that there is a very simply reason for this.
MI60 version of Radeon VII, would have 32GB of HMB2 memory....way too costly to produce a consumer grade card with, especially since that extra ram would not likely help the gaming performace all that much, maybe if you're trying to play 8K games?
And if it doesn't come with 32GB of HMB2, then the only difference would be the compute units.....4 extra compute units, if the frequency was the same, would be a 6% performance boost. Where would the pricing for this card be, for a 6% performance increase? $750 instead of $699? That would simply be...odd.
The only way it'd make since would be if it came with 4 extra compute units, and a 200-300mhz base clock increase, but i doubt that'd even be possible, as the Radeon VII is likely already hitting its "comfortable" max frequency.
Maybe an updated version could add HDMI 2.1 and full compute units. Not a new model to exist alongside the current, but a replacement, like the updated GTX 1080 with better memory.
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#5626372 Posted on: 01/11/2019 12:03 PM
On other hand most mobo for AMD use Intel lan chip too... the two companies aren't too oposite in real world (even more in pro segment were there is intel mobo with lot of AMD inside and AMD with lot of intel inside).
If you want to release a benchmark you should use the most used CPU even if it is from other company, also Ryzen is very hard to get in some country while Intel is well distributed all around the world.
But i agree that they could add an own CPU (but OK if AMD do as in their "update hardware advisor" app... on a friend's (Intel) computer it put all Ryzen less powerfull than a 6th gen Intel for the program he own... AMD should fire the programmer lol !!!)
I find the fact they used an intel processor, weird....the main point would be the difference between the GPUs, the CPU could have been an AMD. lol
On other hand most mobo for AMD use Intel lan chip too... the two companies aren't too oposite in real world (even more in pro segment were there is intel mobo with lot of AMD inside and AMD with lot of intel inside).
If you want to release a benchmark you should use the most used CPU even if it is from other company, also Ryzen is very hard to get in some country while Intel is well distributed all around the world.
But i agree that they could add an own CPU (but OK if AMD do as in their "update hardware advisor" app... on a friend's (Intel) computer it put all Ryzen less powerfull than a 6th gen Intel for the program he own... AMD should fire the programmer lol !!!)
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#5626374 Posted on: 01/11/2019 12:16 PM
On other hand most mobo for AMD use Intel lan chip too... the two companies aren't too oposite in real world (even more in pro segment were there is intel mobo with lot of AMD inside and AMD with lot of intel inside).
I feel that comment would hold more ground if AMD actually created an AMD branded motherboard with Intel LAN or something else on it. Otherwise, Intel LAN on "AMD" motherboards have less to do with AMD, more to do with the motherboard manufacturer.
That being said, i feel like this must have been done by some third party company, as AMD is more likely to have AMD parts laying around then Intel parts. The fact they did it on Intel parts kinda makes it seem like AMD doesn't believe in its own products. But, at 4K, that doesn't make sense, since both CPUs from both companies would perform very, very similarly.
Like i said, i find it....weird. It's not really a problem, just weird.
I very much doubt if/when Intel makes their GPU, they will ever test (officially and publicly) on an AMD system lol
On other hand most mobo for AMD use Intel lan chip too... the two companies aren't too oposite in real world (even more in pro segment were there is intel mobo with lot of AMD inside and AMD with lot of intel inside).
I feel that comment would hold more ground if AMD actually created an AMD branded motherboard with Intel LAN or something else on it. Otherwise, Intel LAN on "AMD" motherboards have less to do with AMD, more to do with the motherboard manufacturer.
That being said, i feel like this must have been done by some third party company, as AMD is more likely to have AMD parts laying around then Intel parts. The fact they did it on Intel parts kinda makes it seem like AMD doesn't believe in its own products. But, at 4K, that doesn't make sense, since both CPUs from both companies would perform very, very similarly.
Like i said, i find it....weird. It's not really a problem, just weird.
I very much doubt if/when Intel makes their GPU, they will ever test (officially and publicly) on an AMD system lol
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#5626382 Posted on: 01/11/2019 12:57 PM
Radeon VII is actually a desktop version of "Radeon Instinct MI50" : https://www.amd.com/en/products/professional-graphics/instinct-mi50
But there is also a "Radeon Instinct MI60" with 64 compute units, 4096 stream procs : https://www.amd.com/en/products/professional-graphics/instinct-mi60
so still there is hope for a possible RTX 2080 Ti competitor .
This actually makes some sense. I did think about it before, but now that you mentioned it again it can be possible. The only thing holding it back would be too low GPU clock to compensate more cores, if they manage to improve that than it will deliver for sure.
Guess they took mi50 base for a reason, process is not quite there yet with these early samples.
Kind of like hd7970 and then 1ghz edition when they fianlly fixed those electronic leaks and process limitations.
Radeon VII is actually a desktop version of "Radeon Instinct MI50" : https://www.amd.com/en/products/professional-graphics/instinct-mi50
But there is also a "Radeon Instinct MI60" with 64 compute units, 4096 stream procs : https://www.amd.com/en/products/professional-graphics/instinct-mi60
so still there is hope for a possible RTX 2080 Ti competitor .
This actually makes some sense. I did think about it before, but now that you mentioned it again it can be possible. The only thing holding it back would be too low GPU clock to compensate more cores, if they manage to improve that than it will deliver for sure.
Guess they took mi50 base for a reason, process is not quite there yet with these early samples.
Kind of like hd7970 and then 1ghz edition when they fianlly fixed those electronic leaks and process limitations.
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#5626384 Posted on: 01/11/2019 01:06 PM
I was First
:
https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/amd-announces-radeon-vii-7nm.424782/page-3#post-5625460
I was First
:https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/amd-announces-radeon-vii-7nm.424782/page-3#post-5625460
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#5626386 Posted on: 01/11/2019 01:07 PM
The reason Vega failed was because of the power hungry architecture =/= high temps =/= loud fans (and being more expensive than a GTX 1070 & 1080) unless you had some exotic cooling, but Navi looks more promising.
I fail to see why so many people in these enthusiast forums are so picky on power use the difference between even 150w to 300w at the end of the year will make a negligible difference on your power Bill's and as long as it has a decent after market cooler it makes no difference.
The reason Vega failed was because of the power hungry architecture =/= high temps =/= loud fans (and being more expensive than a GTX 1070 & 1080) unless you had some exotic cooling, but Navi looks more promising.
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#5626393 Posted on: 01/11/2019 01:29 PM
Is Fallout 76 that memory/bandwidth starved on Vega 64?
Is Fallout 76 that memory/bandwidth starved on Vega 64?
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#5626403 Posted on: 01/11/2019 01:48 PM
I like competition, helps keep the other guy honest, but this isn't competitive. Only 9fps faster @ UHD in BFV & BF1 then a stock, mid range, RTX 2070 for more money. These results are also cherry picked to put their card in the best possible light. I also agree on the intel comments. Why would they not use their own CPU's? It's like saying for gaming go intel. SMH
I like competition, helps keep the other guy honest, but this isn't competitive. Only 9fps faster @ UHD in BFV & BF1 then a stock, mid range, RTX 2070 for more money. These results are also cherry picked to put their card in the best possible light. I also agree on the intel comments. Why would they not use their own CPU's? It's like saying for gaming go intel. SMH
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#5626404 Posted on: 01/11/2019 01:52 PM
I'm satisfied with these results, while it's not exactly as fast i expected it could be, but it should decrease price for Vega 56/64 even more.
I'm satisfied with these results, while it's not exactly as fast i expected it could be, but it should decrease price for Vega 56/64 even more.
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#5626405 Posted on: 01/11/2019 01:54 PM
Radeon Technologies would need to lay off an engineer to afford a new Intel CPU, so it can't be helped.
OMG. AMD, stop using i7-7700K for any kind of comparison tests. There are quite a few games this thing will bottleneck even on 4K.
Radeon Technologies would need to lay off an engineer to afford a new Intel CPU, so it can't be helped.
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#5626416 Posted on: 01/11/2019 02:17 PM
Can someone add in FPS from a similar setup with a 1080Ti/2080 and 2080Ti? It would be a good idea to see how it looks compares.
Overall, V7 looks GREAT.
Can someone add in FPS from a similar setup with a 1080Ti/2080 and 2080Ti? It would be a good idea to see how it looks compares.
Overall, V7 looks GREAT.
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#5626418 Posted on: 01/11/2019 02:23 PM
Vega scales much better with clock speeds than shaders count.
There is a very good video of Gamers Nexus where they push Vega 56 to the max with no power limit. Card is at 1740mhz beating both Vega 64 and gtx1080.
If only RVII overclocks to 2ghz it would be a beast.
Vega scales much better with clock speeds than shaders count.
There is a very good video of Gamers Nexus where they push Vega 56 to the max with no power limit. Card is at 1740mhz beating both Vega 64 and gtx1080.
If only RVII overclocks to 2ghz it would be a beast.
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Radeon VII is actually a desktop version of "Radeon Instinct MI50" : https://www.amd.com/en/products/professional-graphics/instinct-mi50
But there is also a "Radeon Instinct MI60" with 64 compute units, 4096 stream procs : https://www.amd.com/en/products/professional-graphics/instinct-mi60
so still there is hope for a possible RTX 2080 Ti competitor .
No sorry. 4 compute units more are not gonna give you 8-9% boost each. RTX 2080 Ti is at average ~32-36% faster than RTX 2080 which is equal or faster than Radeon VII.