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AMD NAVI would see three video card models, $249 RX 3080 close to RTX 2070
Quite a bit of information leaked onto the web over the last day or so, whether or not that information is correct remains to be seen. However, more info surfaced and it entails the pending GPU launch from AMD, based on 7nm NAVI.
Youtuber AdoredTV once again spreads out quite a bit of information about the next generation Zen processors (Ryzen 3000 ZEN2) however at the end of the video the end of the video, the Youtuber spreads word about another leak regarding AMD's future GPUs, codenamed Navi.
If the information is correct this line-up will exist out of three graphics card series to replace the current Polaris generation mainly. The naming would be 'RX 3000 series', opposed to RX 600. We'll quickly take you through the three products.
The Radeon RX 3060 would be the entry-level card and would have 4 GB GDDR6. Here I have reason to doubt, GDDR6 is a new type of memory that is very fast and new always is expensive. it would make little sense to include it onto an entry-level product So that raises a red flag as far as I am concerned. The product would sit in the $130 range
The second product would be the Radeon RX 3070, which replaces the RX 570. It would operate at Vega 56 performance at merely a TDPof 120 watts. IT gets 8 GB GDDR6 and would costs at $200 at minimum.
The higher end card would be the RX 3080, and also has 8 GB of GDDR6. At 150 watts it would be about 15% faster than the Vega 64 which is RTX 2070 territory. This card is tagged at $ 250 (which seems too cheap to be true).
We cannot vouch for the info that is spread, and as mentioned I do see red flags here. So as to what extent and how valid this information is we cannot tell. So please read and absorb this with a super big disclaimer in mind, the info could be incorrect. Extreme caution is recommended.
It is likely we'll hear a bit more in January from the CEO of AMD, Lisa Su, at CES.
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#5614333 Posted on: 12/06/2018 01:13 PM
So this latest Navi info is a little too perfect and lined up for my tastes. It says nothing about ray tracing or Navi 10+ or Navi14. So here is a nibble from a June 2018 article.
Navi should also be able to take advantage of ray-tracing – the shiny new animation technique that makes light and shadow look so impossibly realistic that you’d swear blind you couldn’t possibly be looking at a real life video game. The 7nm Vega chip with 32GB of HBM2 memory AMD showed off at Computex certainly can, so there’s no reason why Navi shouldn’t be able to as well.
I believe AMD will bring a competitive product with ray tracing ability at pricing equivalent to the 1070-1080-1080ti series with power a little less or equal to than the lauded 2070-2080-2080ti over priced hot mess.
The only caveat is you may have to wait till 2020 for those high end gpu releases. If they were going to put out only a 10-15% improvement of a gpu that would have been out already and been done with. Just wait a bit longer, you did for Nvidia, this is about to get interesting.
So this latest Navi info is a little too perfect and lined up for my tastes. It says nothing about ray tracing or Navi 10+ or Navi14. So here is a nibble from a June 2018 article.
Navi should also be able to take advantage of ray-tracing – the shiny new animation technique that makes light and shadow look so impossibly realistic that you’d swear blind you couldn’t possibly be looking at a real life video game. The 7nm Vega chip with 32GB of HBM2 memory AMD showed off at Computex certainly can, so there’s no reason why Navi shouldn’t be able to as well.
I believe AMD will bring a competitive product with ray tracing ability at pricing equivalent to the 1070-1080-1080ti series with power a little less or equal to than the lauded 2070-2080-2080ti over priced hot mess.
The only caveat is you may have to wait till 2020 for those high end gpu releases. If they were going to put out only a 10-15% improvement of a gpu that would have been out already and been done with. Just wait a bit longer, you did for Nvidia, this is about to get interesting.
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#5614336 Posted on: 12/06/2018 01:18 PM
Yeah yeah and you're confusing steam usage as if it was sales percentages. 1080 and 1080Ti cover much more than 2% you can bet on that. And no i'm not basing that only off enthusiasts of forum, but people who actually play videogames.
Again, you have offered nothing but your opinion with no stats or links to back up. You are just pulling numbers out of nowhere (10-15%) and saying this is fact. Opinions are not facts. The steam survey is the closest thing we have towards percentages of what HW PC gamers own. You want to ramble on with unsubstantiated opinions and numbers pulled out of nowhere, be my guest. Nothing more to say to you.
Yeah yeah and you're confusing steam usage as if it was sales percentages. 1080 and 1080Ti cover much more than 2% you can bet on that. And no i'm not basing that only off enthusiasts of forum, but people who actually play videogames.
Again, you have offered nothing but your opinion with no stats or links to back up. You are just pulling numbers out of nowhere (10-15%) and saying this is fact. Opinions are not facts. The steam survey is the closest thing we have towards percentages of what HW PC gamers own. You want to ramble on with unsubstantiated opinions and numbers pulled out of nowhere, be my guest. Nothing more to say to you.
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#5614338 Posted on: 12/06/2018 01:21 PM
And what did you offer? Steam charts? Seriously?
Again, you have offered nothing but your opinion with no stats or links to back up. You are just pulling numbers out of nowhere (10-15%) and saying this is fact. Opinions are not facts. The steam survey is the closest thing we have towards percentages of what HW PC gamers own. You want to ramble on with unsubstantiated opinions and numbers pulled out of nowhere, be my guest. Nothing more to say to you.
And what did you offer? Steam charts? Seriously?
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#5614341 Posted on: 12/06/2018 01:29 PM
Idk like obviously steam charts isn't 100% accurate but it does have a massive sample size, which is going to be more accurate then your "i feel like it's more" based on seemingly nothing.
And what did you offer? Steam charts? Seriously?
Idk like obviously steam charts isn't 100% accurate but it does have a massive sample size, which is going to be more accurate then your "i feel like it's more" based on seemingly nothing.
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#5614342 Posted on: 12/06/2018 01:32 PM
nVidia will skip 3xxx and go with 4xxx like they did with gtx280 to gtx480
I think this entire article is fantasy. Not only is there no way a card performing as well as the rtx 2070 would be priced anywhere near $250, i'm also quite sure nVidia has the 3070, 3080 product names already legally theirs.
nVidia will skip 3xxx and go with 4xxx like they did with gtx280 to gtx480
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#5614345 Posted on: 12/06/2018 01:34 PM
The prices seem to be too low for the performance in question...
The prices seem to be too low for the performance in question...
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#5614347 Posted on: 12/06/2018 01:37 PM
Another steam hardware survey discussion... while I do not think that steam hardware survey shows the true, detailed situation (sales numbers would, but we don't get those), it shows a tendancy.
Sure, the majority of gamers aims for what I'd call "1080p" cards, midrange cards, very much AMD's portfolio, or Nvidia's up to the xx70. But don't trust that steam hardware survey too much, you have to opt in to do it, and also, you might never know how many people have a GTX530 still running or a 1080TI that just choose to not participate, no special reason needed.
The truth is, my friends, we don't really know how big that share is if we don't get all the sales numbers, and even then we might never really knew if a card was bought to replace an older card, build a second PC, or do it's work in a mining rig that happens to run games 3 hours compared to 21 hours of mining each day...
All in all, I know with my 1080TI, and in my opinion anybody having a card that costs more than 350-400$ is using "enthusiast" hardware, making me not necessarily the target group for AMD's offerings, but that's exactly why their stuff doesn't make me anticipate it as much as say Nvidia's keynote in August. And AMD does a good job catering to the large market portion of gamers that don't want to / can't spend more than what a 590 or a 1070 for instance cost.
I just hope they use the revenue from that segment to at some point come back to the top, epic battles of Radeon VS RTX on the top of a lonely mountain surrounded by pissed off fire spewing dragons while in orbit a massive space battle wrecks havoc.
Another steam hardware survey discussion... while I do not think that steam hardware survey shows the true, detailed situation (sales numbers would, but we don't get those), it shows a tendancy.
Sure, the majority of gamers aims for what I'd call "1080p" cards, midrange cards, very much AMD's portfolio, or Nvidia's up to the xx70. But don't trust that steam hardware survey too much, you have to opt in to do it, and also, you might never know how many people have a GTX530 still running or a 1080TI that just choose to not participate, no special reason needed.
The truth is, my friends, we don't really know how big that share is if we don't get all the sales numbers, and even then we might never really knew if a card was bought to replace an older card, build a second PC, or do it's work in a mining rig that happens to run games 3 hours compared to 21 hours of mining each day...
All in all, I know with my 1080TI, and in my opinion anybody having a card that costs more than 350-400$ is using "enthusiast" hardware, making me not necessarily the target group for AMD's offerings, but that's exactly why their stuff doesn't make me anticipate it as much as say Nvidia's keynote in August. And AMD does a good job catering to the large market portion of gamers that don't want to / can't spend more than what a 590 or a 1070 for instance cost.
I just hope they use the revenue from that segment to at some point come back to the top, epic battles of Radeon VS RTX on the top of a lonely mountain surrounded by pissed off fire spewing dragons while in orbit a massive space battle wrecks havoc.
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#5614350 Posted on: 12/06/2018 01:41 PM
People have gotten too used to pay 1000 USD for gaming cards.
Nvidia makes behemoth GPUs and charges premiums for them, the Navi GPU should be small and affordable at 7nm. I'm all in for lowering the price of performance and will support AMD on their quest for it. Couldn't get a RX570 due to miners and prices here don't really go down (still at 300€) so I'll be hopeful for new cards and higher performance at affordable prices.
I dont think they will price it at $249. They could easily price it at $299-349 and it will still fly off the shelves. Remember, it would be going up against a $499-549 card (2070). If they do price it at $249, thats insane. What sort of margins can they get out of such a high performing card with 8gb GDDR6?
People have gotten too used to pay 1000 USD for gaming cards.
Nvidia makes behemoth GPUs and charges premiums for them, the Navi GPU should be small and affordable at 7nm. I'm all in for lowering the price of performance and will support AMD on their quest for it. Couldn't get a RX570 due to miners and prices here don't really go down (still at 300€) so I'll be hopeful for new cards and higher performance at affordable prices.
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#5614361 Posted on: 12/06/2018 01:56 PM
A youtuber reckons the prices shown are what the AIBs pay for the chips so add on $100-$150 for each sku then it seems more realistic.
Still these cards though okay for the segment their aimed for will be 1080p max settings for games released later next year especially if ps5 is released at the back end of next year. I also think depending on the contract they have with Sony you will not see these cards until or around ps5 is released.
All personal speculation of coursr but AMD should have had cards with this sort of performance at least 6 months to a year after 1080 cards launched (obviously they pushed resources to cpu side but still).
A youtuber reckons the prices shown are what the AIBs pay for the chips so add on $100-$150 for each sku then it seems more realistic.
Still these cards though okay for the segment their aimed for will be 1080p max settings for games released later next year especially if ps5 is released at the back end of next year. I also think depending on the contract they have with Sony you will not see these cards until or around ps5 is released.
All personal speculation of coursr but AMD should have had cards with this sort of performance at least 6 months to a year after 1080 cards launched (obviously they pushed resources to cpu side but still).
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#5614363 Posted on: 12/06/2018 01:59 PM
The main problem i have with Steam surveys is that i dont know if it's based on "PCs" or accounts, if it's based on accounts the asian market would make the survey less valid(many accounts on the same machine because of internet cafes)
Idk like obviously steam charts isn't 100% accurate but it does have a massive sample size, which is going to be more accurate then your "i feel like it's more" based on seemingly nothing.
The main problem i have with Steam surveys is that i dont know if it's based on "PCs" or accounts, if it's based on accounts the asian market would make the survey less valid(many accounts on the same machine because of internet cafes)
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#5614365 Posted on: 12/06/2018 02:06 PM
When you talk about market share it is in reference to units sold to distributors not how many are actually in someone's household. Are you aware that 55% of gamers pc/console use AMD gpu's, more than Nvidia and Intel combined? So AMD is no wounded duck in the gpu market.
When you talk about market share it is in reference to units sold to distributors not how many are actually in someone's household. Are you aware that 55% of gamers pc/console use AMD gpu's, more than Nvidia and Intel combined? So AMD is no wounded duck in the gpu market.
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#5614367 Posted on: 12/06/2018 02:10 PM
That's what they did when the 3870 was released, and I'm sure we all remember the performance and price of that thing.
nVidia will skip 3xxx and go with 4xxx like they did with gtx280 to gtx480
That's what they did when the 3870 was released, and I'm sure we all remember the performance and price of that thing.
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#5614368 Posted on: 12/06/2018 02:12 PM
No not really, besides, he's been talking about 1080Ti only, while i've been talking about 1080 and 1080Ti range of performance, meant as high to high end, which includes at least Vega 64 too, but mostly 1080 and 1080Ti. That's why AMD needs something in that range, just like Vega64, but not as power hungry and not as expensive even if it's only due to mining.
Idk like obviously steam charts isn't 100% accurate but it does have a massive sample size, which is going to be more accurate then your "i feel like it's more" based on seemingly nothing.
No not really, besides, he's been talking about 1080Ti only, while i've been talking about 1080 and 1080Ti range of performance, meant as high to high end, which includes at least Vega 64 too, but mostly 1080 and 1080Ti. That's why AMD needs something in that range, just like Vega64, but not as power hungry and not as expensive even if it's only due to mining.
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#5614370 Posted on: 12/06/2018 02:20 PM
What's wrong with you people. ( The ones saying is 15% the best AMD can do) These Navi cards aren't the TOP END CARDS, These are AMD's new mid range cards, The bottom of the mid range barrel is matching of top of the old mid range.
The TOP END card hasn't even been leaked yet.
What's wrong with you people. ( The ones saying is 15% the best AMD can do) These Navi cards aren't the TOP END CARDS, These are AMD's new mid range cards, The bottom of the mid range barrel is matching of top of the old mid range.
The TOP END card hasn't even been leaked yet.
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It is important to compete in the high-end, for a matter of market perception. The brand who have the top performance products, is more likely to sell the rest of the range better!
That's why AMD is stuck on 20%~25% of market share, despite having good cards in the mid-range for a few years now! Competing only in the mid-range is not enough to gain meaningful market share.
So, i don't know why some people think that high-end is not important. If it's not important, why AMD don't get traction? And please, spare me the excuse that this happen because people are all Nvidia fanboys.
There's many reasons why, and nvidia's fanboyism isn't one, it never was, in any situation actually. Truth is most of the time they just made stuff even only slightly better, and people ofc tend to amplify that (sometimes it was deserved). Anyway i agree, the latest years AMD had (has) good cards in low to mid-range and nothing really valuable in the rest, and that costs sales across the board.
You are confusing what enthusiast owners in forums like here may own vs the larger market. Again, you have yet to back up your claims with links or stats, your mere logic or assumptions do not apply.
Yeah yeah and you're confusing steam usage as if it was sales percentages. 1080 and 1080Ti cover much more than 2% you can bet on that. And no i'm not basing that only off enthusiasts of forum, but people who actually play videogames.