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AMD Navi delayed towards October 2019?
After last weeks 7nm VEGA20 aka Radeon VII release, it is now time fo focus on the mainstream segment for AMD. And that means the next in line is NAVI. NAVI would be released this year already. However it might be later than expected.
Navi will have an updated GCN architecture and is to be released at 7nm as wellpoint. Where earlier rumors still talked about a release this summer, but it now looks to be October for NAVI. This is reported by the French new site CowCotLand
The very speculative prices and market segments of the possible cards would be these:
- RX 3080: GPU Navi 10, 8 GB GDDR6 and a TDP of 150 W. Performance comparable to RTX 2070 or GTX 1080, price $ 249.
- RX 3070: GPU Navi 12, 8 GB GDDR6 and a TDP of 120 W. Performance comparable to RTX 2060 or GTX 1070, price $ 199.
- RX 3060: GPU Navi 12, 8 GB GDDR6 and a TDP of 75 W. Performance comparable to RTX 2050 or GTX 1060, price $ 129.
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#5638070 Posted on: 02/11/2019 09:16 AM
I wouldn't find it overly hard to believe this, unfortunately, considering 7nm is so new and nobody else but TSMC is offering it. While the smartphone market is apparently showing some signs of losing its overheated state, it's not like it would disappear anywhere, meaning it will always eat a significant portion of the production capability. Other than that, both AMD's new CPU and GPU manufacturing will rely on TSMC, so it's not just Nvidia like in the old times. It's quite interesting we haven't heard anything about Nvidia's 7nm plans, but it could be they actively want to avoid a situation where they haven't got a reasonable stock to sell upon release, so they are taking their time. As it is, they've gone unchallenged with the 12nm process, so there's no hurry.
I'm looking forward to see what Navi could offer me, so I don't like the delay, but such things happen.
I wouldn't find it overly hard to believe this, unfortunately, considering 7nm is so new and nobody else but TSMC is offering it. While the smartphone market is apparently showing some signs of losing its overheated state, it's not like it would disappear anywhere, meaning it will always eat a significant portion of the production capability. Other than that, both AMD's new CPU and GPU manufacturing will rely on TSMC, so it's not just Nvidia like in the old times. It's quite interesting we haven't heard anything about Nvidia's 7nm plans, but it could be they actively want to avoid a situation where they haven't got a reasonable stock to sell upon release, so they are taking their time. As it is, they've gone unchallenged with the 12nm process, so there's no hurry.
I'm looking forward to see what Navi could offer me, so I don't like the delay, but such things happen.
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#5638073 Posted on: 02/11/2019 09:24 AM
HERE the article of the French site cowcotland (google translate)
All that's stated in there is "according to our sources"... well, believe it or not, no idea if this statement is to be believed.
Exactly, I have seen that "rumor" few days ago. And saw as some sites took and reposted it as rumor, other did not even state rumor.
It is made up by them for clicks.
HERE the article of the French site cowcotland (google translate)
All that's stated in there is "according to our sources"... well, believe it or not, no idea if this statement is to be believed.
Exactly, I have seen that "rumor" few days ago. And saw as some sites took and reposted it as rumor, other did not even state rumor.
It is made up by them for clicks.
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#5638113 Posted on: 02/11/2019 12:00 PM
Not the first time it's mentioned that Navi will only be offered in the mid-end segment and not high-end.
Not the first time it's mentioned that Navi will only be offered in the mid-end segment and not high-end.
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#5638146 Posted on: 02/11/2019 01:25 PM
I was thinking of buying a Vega VII card and go for a 4K monitor later, but it's available only on one shop here in Greece.
Since the asking price is 959€, I think it would be better if I kept using my 1080p Freesync 144Hz monitor and waited for Navi.
I was thinking of buying a Vega VII card and go for a 4K monitor later, but it's available only on one shop here in Greece.
Since the asking price is 959€, I think it would be better if I kept using my 1080p Freesync 144Hz monitor and waited for Navi.
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#5638152 Posted on: 02/11/2019 01:36 PM
Yikes, was waiting for a good budget GPU.... guess I'll have to wait a little longer.
also the leaked specs seems suspicious... 8GB of GDDR6 on a 129$ product? how is that even possible with GDDR6 cost?
I'm looking foward for Navi 12, 200$ for GTX 2060 performance sounds insane
Yikes, was waiting for a good budget GPU.... guess I'll have to wait a little longer.
also the leaked specs seems suspicious... 8GB of GDDR6 on a 129$ product? how is that even possible with GDDR6 cost?
I'm looking foward for Navi 12, 200$ for GTX 2060 performance sounds insane
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#5638153 Posted on: 02/11/2019 01:37 PM
I was thinking of buying a Vega VII card and go for a 4K monitor later, but it's available only on one shop here in Greece.
Since the asking price is 959€, I think it would be better if I kept using my 1080p Freesync 144Hz monitor and waited for Navi.
Generally right, only that the factor that drives up the price for Vega VII to 959€ will be the same factor that drives up the price for a 300€ MSRP Navi card to something closer to 400€, eventually.
I was thinking of buying a Vega VII card and go for a 4K monitor later, but it's available only on one shop here in Greece.
Since the asking price is 959€, I think it would be better if I kept using my 1080p Freesync 144Hz monitor and waited for Navi.
Generally right, only that the factor that drives up the price for Vega VII to 959€ will be the same factor that drives up the price for a 300€ MSRP Navi card to something closer to 400€, eventually.
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#5638156 Posted on: 02/11/2019 01:39 PM
Better for it to be right than a bodge.
Better for it to be right than a bodge.
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#5638171 Posted on: 02/11/2019 02:25 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the "leaked" specs originally come from AdoredTV, right?
I don't find him to be very trustworthy, he can be right about a few things, but he also can be wrong about some of the details, just like his RTX leaks.
The RTX leaks, he was right about:
- the names RTX 2080 and RTX 2070.
- the codenames TU104, TU106, TU116.
But he was wrong about:
- RTX 2070 having 7GB of VRAM.
- "GTX" 2060 using the TU116 core and having 5GB of VRAM.
- the prices and performance estimates.
also the leaked specs seems suspicious... 8GB of GDDR6 on a 129$ product? how is that even possible with GDDR6 cost?
If I'm not mistaken, the "leaked" specs originally come from AdoredTV, right?
I don't find him to be very trustworthy, he can be right about a few things, but he also can be wrong about some of the details, just like his RTX leaks.
The RTX leaks, he was right about:
- the names RTX 2080 and RTX 2070.
- the codenames TU104, TU106, TU116.
But he was wrong about:
- RTX 2070 having 7GB of VRAM.
- "GTX" 2060 using the TU116 core and having 5GB of VRAM.
- the prices and performance estimates.
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#5638180 Posted on: 02/11/2019 02:38 PM
Well, I do expect the price to be around 450€ the first days.
The thing is, I was considering going for a 4K system, but that would require for me to get a new PSU, the Vega VII and of course a 4K monitor. And the GPU's price made me realize that It's not actually worth it
Generally right, only that the factor that drives up the price for Vega VII to 959€ will be the same factor that drives up the price for a 300€ MSRP Navi card to something closer to 400€, eventually.
Well, I do expect the price to be around 450€ the first days.
The thing is, I was considering going for a 4K system, but that would require for me to get a new PSU, the Vega VII and of course a 4K monitor. And the GPU's price made me realize that It's not actually worth it
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#5638190 Posted on: 02/11/2019 03:04 PM
Obviously there's no guarantee that the rumored specs, and prices, are correct.
That said I don't find it insane, even if I understand you meant it in the best possible way.
It's just there's been no motion on the midrange since, well 2016 pretty much. And Navi is likely at least 4-5 months away still. That level of price/performance is pretty par for the course historically speaking, after a generational leap anyway. It's our expectations that are pretty low given the GPU market the last three years.
I'm looking foward for Navi 12, 200$ for GTX 2060 performance sounds insane
Obviously there's no guarantee that the rumored specs, and prices, are correct.
That said I don't find it insane, even if I understand you meant it in the best possible way.
It's just there's been no motion on the midrange since, well 2016 pretty much. And Navi is likely at least 4-5 months away still. That level of price/performance is pretty par for the course historically speaking, after a generational leap anyway. It's our expectations that are pretty low given the GPU market the last three years.
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#5638194 Posted on: 02/11/2019 03:07 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the "leaked" specs originally come from AdoredTV, right?
I don't find him to be very trustworthy, he can be right about a few things, but he also can be wrong about some of the details, just like his RTX leaks.
The RTX leaks, he was right about:
- the names RTX 2080 and RTX 2070.
- the codenames TU104, TU106, TU116.
But he was wrong about:
- RTX 2070 having 7GB of VRAM.
- "GTX" 2060 using the TU116 core and having 5GB of VRAM.
- the prices and performance estimates.
Actually Adored is the only one who listed the cheaper Navi 12 at 4GB of GDDR6 memory, which makes more sense.
If I'm not mistaken, the "leaked" specs originally come from AdoredTV, right?
I don't find him to be very trustworthy, he can be right about a few things, but he also can be wrong about some of the details, just like his RTX leaks.
The RTX leaks, he was right about:
- the names RTX 2080 and RTX 2070.
- the codenames TU104, TU106, TU116.
But he was wrong about:
- RTX 2070 having 7GB of VRAM.
- "GTX" 2060 using the TU116 core and having 5GB of VRAM.
- the prices and performance estimates.
Actually Adored is the only one who listed the cheaper Navi 12 at 4GB of GDDR6 memory, which makes more sense.
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#5638197 Posted on: 02/11/2019 03:10 PM
Obviously there's no guarantee that the rumored specs, and prices, are correct.
That said I don't find it insane, even if I understand you meant it in the best possible way.
It's just there's been no motion on the midrange since, well 2016 pretty much. And Navi is likely at least 4-5 months away still. That level of price/performance is pretty par for the course historically speaking, after a generational leap anyway. It's our expectations that are pretty low given the GPU market the last three years.
"insane" to me because 2018 and 2019 were miserable in terms of perf/dollar leaps. Vega wasn't anything special and Turing bumped up pricing significantly
even with a grain of salt, a 200$ 120W part on 7nm with GDDR6 is very exciting IMO
Obviously there's no guarantee that the rumored specs, and prices, are correct.
That said I don't find it insane, even if I understand you meant it in the best possible way.
It's just there's been no motion on the midrange since, well 2016 pretty much. And Navi is likely at least 4-5 months away still. That level of price/performance is pretty par for the course historically speaking, after a generational leap anyway. It's our expectations that are pretty low given the GPU market the last three years.
"insane" to me because 2018 and 2019 were miserable in terms of perf/dollar leaps. Vega wasn't anything special and Turing bumped up pricing significantly
even with a grain of salt, a 200$ 120W part on 7nm with GDDR6 is very exciting IMO
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#5638200 Posted on: 02/11/2019 03:19 PM
If true, that's a little disappointing. Those prices look good and we know nothing about their wattage or capability to OC, but I'd still like to see something with a bit more "grunt". I was hoping the Radeon 7 would be more of an "interim flagship", where the real excitement would be found with Navi.
But, the R7's Linux performance is in really good shape (actually better than Windows, surprisingly). If the RX 3090 basically ends up being the 8GB variant of the R7 with a hefty price reduction, I would consider getting that.
If true, that's a little disappointing. Those prices look good and we know nothing about their wattage or capability to OC, but I'd still like to see something with a bit more "grunt". I was hoping the Radeon 7 would be more of an "interim flagship", where the real excitement would be found with Navi.
But, the R7's Linux performance is in really good shape (actually better than Windows, surprisingly). If the RX 3090 basically ends up being the 8GB variant of the R7 with a hefty price reduction, I would consider getting that.
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#5638201 Posted on: 02/11/2019 03:19 PM
3080 8GB 349$ = 2070
3070 8GB 249$ = 2060
Im definitely skipping Turing and Vega and waiting for Navi. Until then i can focus on saving for Zen2.
3080 8GB 349$ = 2070
3070 8GB 249$ = 2060
Im definitely skipping Turing and Vega and waiting for Navi. Until then i can focus on saving for Zen2.
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HERE the article of the French site cowcotland (google translate)
All that's stated in there is "according to our sources"... well, believe it or not, no idea if this statement is to be believed.