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AMD Might Bundle RGB LED coolers with Ryzen processors
AMD is to release several SKUs for Ryzen, some of them with bundled processor cooler. Some new photos leaked onto the web, showing AMDs CTo with a new type RGB enabled cooler.
Yesterday in-house render from hwbattle with some speculative cooers surfaced on the web. The photo is confirmed to be a render from the hwbattle side. But then all of the sudden a photo of AMDs Raja Koduri (which he posted on Twitter) surfaced. In that photo he is looking at a PC with Ryzen CPU, and when you check that cooler … it’s an unknown one, looks like a Wraith cooler yet is RGB LED lit. Tere's just little reason for AMD to use an external 3rd party cooler on a bit of a viral / teaser photo like that. Other then the photos you won’t learn much. The cooler are as powerful as the AMD Wraith coolers, or 'like a Wraith'. Considering the highest TDP for Ryzen in listed at 95 Watt, that should be plenty and easy for any decent cooler though.
If you take a closer look at the photo from Raja Koduri, regardless of there is validity in the RGB cooler you have to admit, it looks pretty cool if the Ryzen SKus with cooler will be paired with a more advanced cooler and some LED lighting. Somebody give him the room alone with that PC though.
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#5391591 Posted on: 02/12/2017 12:08 AM
I don't think I have to tell you how stupid it is to suddenly ditch the stock cooler concept.
I don't know why they insist on doing this. Don't include a cooler and charge $10 less. No one wants some junk cooler on a CPU meant for demanding tasks. Even these improved coolers look like bottom-tier junk.
I don't think I have to tell you how stupid it is to suddenly ditch the stock cooler concept.
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#5391608 Posted on: 02/12/2017 01:35 AM
Doesn't AMD also sell processors without the cooler?
Except as an option...
I don't know why they insist on doing this. Don't include a cooler and charge $10 less. No one wants some junk cooler on a CPU meant for demanding tasks. Even these improved coolers look like bottom-tier junk.
Doesn't AMD also sell processors without the cooler?
I don't think I have to tell you how stupid it is to suddenly ditch the stock cooler concept.
Except as an option...
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#5391640 Posted on: 02/12/2017 04:27 AM
Almost nobody buys a high-end unlocked processor for gaming, encoding, etc, then leaves the pitiful stock cooler on it. AMD understood this and that's why in the past they opted to exclude a stock HSF.
Who here has ever ONCE bought a high end chip then used the stock cooler on it permanently? Anyone?
Almost nobody buys a high-end unlocked processor for gaming, encoding, etc, then leaves the pitiful stock cooler on it. AMD understood this and that's why in the past they opted to exclude a stock HSF.
Who here has ever ONCE bought a high end chip then used the stock cooler on it permanently? Anyone?
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#5391641 Posted on: 02/12/2017 04:35 AM
Oh dear, what a gimmick. A good product doesn't need flashy bs, please.
Oh dear, what a gimmick. A good product doesn't need flashy bs, please.
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#5391642 Posted on: 02/12/2017 04:36 AM
The Wraith is as good as a 212, and there are a LOT of professionals who would love to have proper stock cooling for their never-overclocked high end CPU.
The Wraith is as good as a 212, and there are a LOT of professionals who would love to have proper stock cooling for their never-overclocked high end CPU.
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#5391644 Posted on: 02/12/2017 04:44 AM
Yes...we should just replace the numerals 2017 with RGB. It's getting ridiculous.
Oh dear, what a gimmick. A good product doesn't need flashy bs, please.
Yes...we should just replace the numerals 2017 with RGB. It's getting ridiculous.
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#5391645 Posted on: 02/12/2017 04:48 AM
All that picture says is "like a Wraith", who knows how it'll actually perform. And I think the Wraith and the 212 both suck and are incredibly overrated, especially for older CPUs which were more difficult to keep cool while idle. The 212 was fine when it was literally $20, but last I checked it's over double that price now and just keeps selling based on past fame. People don't realize it's not good for the price anymore.
Those professionals who keep stock cooling on high end machines aren't building custom machines and are completely ignorant about PC specifics. They're artists, designers, the sort that buy a machine pre-built and have no clue about specifics beyond what kind of performance or type of machine they need.
The Wraith is as good as a 212, and there are a LOT of professionals who would love to have proper stock cooling for their never-overclocked high end CPU.
All that picture says is "like a Wraith", who knows how it'll actually perform. And I think the Wraith and the 212 both suck and are incredibly overrated, especially for older CPUs which were more difficult to keep cool while idle. The 212 was fine when it was literally $20, but last I checked it's over double that price now and just keeps selling based on past fame. People don't realize it's not good for the price anymore.
Those professionals who keep stock cooling on high end machines aren't building custom machines and are completely ignorant about PC specifics. They're artists, designers, the sort that buy a machine pre-built and have no clue about specifics beyond what kind of performance or type of machine they need.
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#5391651 Posted on: 02/12/2017 05:14 AM
When you buy these from the shop, you are buying a retail kit, not just the CPU. If they sold the CPU just by itself without any frills etc, there may be people 'stupid' enough to install it without a cooler. They'd use the argument 'if it is meant to have a cooler, why wasn't one included?'.
Realistically, for stock clocks the stock cooler is 'fine' (not saying they are good and keep it icy cold, just that it suffices for standard use). For the lower end CPU's it probably makes sense to include the cooler for this very reason, but for the more upper end CPU's, particularly those targetting enthusiasts like the 1700x and 1800x (the 95 W parts), it would make sense that these don't come with the cooler that probably is really only suffiient for the 65 W variants without an overclock.
The real issue is the availability of AM4 compatible coolers. I realise it comes pretty much down to the brackets, but without the right bracket the CPU cooler is not AM4 compatible. Some brands have already said you can get a bracket directly from them, but the process involved is a bit lengthy and regardless of whether it takes 1 week or 3, if you've got the excitement of building a brand new system you don't want to wait even a couple of days just to get a 'lousy' bracket . So, let's just hope the retail versions of those mounting kits for the coolers from BeQuiet, Noctua etc, will be available from day one.
When you buy these from the shop, you are buying a retail kit, not just the CPU. If they sold the CPU just by itself without any frills etc, there may be people 'stupid' enough to install it without a cooler. They'd use the argument 'if it is meant to have a cooler, why wasn't one included?'.
Realistically, for stock clocks the stock cooler is 'fine' (not saying they are good and keep it icy cold, just that it suffices for standard use). For the lower end CPU's it probably makes sense to include the cooler for this very reason, but for the more upper end CPU's, particularly those targetting enthusiasts like the 1700x and 1800x (the 95 W parts), it would make sense that these don't come with the cooler that probably is really only suffiient for the 65 W variants without an overclock.
The real issue is the availability of AM4 compatible coolers. I realise it comes pretty much down to the brackets, but without the right bracket the CPU cooler is not AM4 compatible
. Some brands have already said you can get a bracket directly from them, but the process involved is a bit lengthy and regardless of whether it takes 1 week or 3, if you've got the excitement of building a brand new system you don't want to wait even a couple of days just to get a 'lousy' bracket . So, let's just hope the retail versions of those mounting kits for the coolers from BeQuiet, Noctua etc, will be available from day one.
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#5391654 Posted on: 02/12/2017 05:36 AM
Exactly, stock coolers are fine for 90% of the population.
Forcing enthusiast stuff on those who don't want or need it just looks like a scam.
Saying that, CPU cooling has never been something i have spent money on, as the most i have ever spent has been £15.
I like this, and imo the only people who should be threatened by a good stock cooler are those who profit from convincing the masses things will go tits up if they don't buy something else.
Exactly, stock coolers are fine for 90% of the population.
Forcing enthusiast stuff on those who don't want or need it just looks like a scam.
Saying that, CPU cooling has never been something i have spent money on, as the most i have ever spent has been £15.
I like this, and imo the only people who should be threatened by a good stock cooler are those who profit from convincing the masses things will go tits up if they don't buy something else.
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#5391698 Posted on: 02/12/2017 11:19 AM
Because these are the best stock coolers around.. comparable to evo 212
I don't know why they insist on doing this. Don't include a cooler and charge $10 less. No one wants some junk cooler on a CPU meant for demanding tasks. Even these improved coolers look like bottom-tier junk.
Because these are the best stock coolers around.. comparable to evo 212
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#5391699 Posted on: 02/12/2017 11:20 AM
All that picture says is "like a Wraith", who knows how it'll actually perform. And I think the Wraith and the 212 both suck and are incredibly overrated, especially for older CPUs which were more difficult to keep cool while idle. The 212 was fine when it was literally $20, but last I checked it's over double that price now and just keeps selling based on past fame. People don't realize it's not good for the price anymore.
Those professionals who keep stock cooling on high end machines aren't building custom machines and are completely ignorant about PC specifics. They're artists, designers, the sort that buy a machine pre-built and have no clue about specifics beyond what kind of performance or type of machine they need.
Just a phrase , these coolers are from the wraith series
All that picture says is "like a Wraith", who knows how it'll actually perform. And I think the Wraith and the 212 both suck and are incredibly overrated, especially for older CPUs which were more difficult to keep cool while idle. The 212 was fine when it was literally $20, but last I checked it's over double that price now and just keeps selling based on past fame. People don't realize it's not good for the price anymore.
Those professionals who keep stock cooling on high end machines aren't building custom machines and are completely ignorant about PC specifics. They're artists, designers, the sort that buy a machine pre-built and have no clue about specifics beyond what kind of performance or type of machine they need.
Just a phrase , these coolers are from the wraith series
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#5391726 Posted on: 02/12/2017 02:44 PM
These coolers at least look like they can work on a system. Compared to the old things and intel coolers. And well some people like flashy lights.
These coolers at least look like they can work on a system. Compared to the old things and intel coolers. And well some people like flashy lights.
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#5391736 Posted on: 02/12/2017 03:42 PM
Almost nobody buys a high-end unlocked processor for gaming, encoding, etc, then leaves the pitiful stock cooler on it. AMD understood this and that's why in the past they opted to exclude a stock HSF.
Who here has ever ONCE bought a high end chip then used the stock cooler on it permanently? Anyone?
It's the other way around. A 5% of people who try to score the highest overclock using air or water coolers, will probably like that $10 discount. The other 95% who are happy leaving their system stock, because they even don't know what overclocking is, would need that cooler. And believe me there are plenty out there with unlocked processors that don't know what overclocking is. Now the Wrath is a pretty nice option even for moderate overclocking, if I remember correctly, and that lower TDP limit makes it even a better cooler for that.
One more thing. That extra $10 you pay for the cooler? You'll get them back when selling the processor in the second hand market.
Almost nobody buys a high-end unlocked processor for gaming, encoding, etc, then leaves the pitiful stock cooler on it. AMD understood this and that's why in the past they opted to exclude a stock HSF.
Who here has ever ONCE bought a high end chip then used the stock cooler on it permanently? Anyone?
It's the other way around. A 5% of people who try to score the highest overclock using air or water coolers, will probably like that $10 discount. The other 95% who are happy leaving their system stock, because they even don't know what overclocking is, would need that cooler. And believe me there are plenty out there with unlocked processors that don't know what overclocking is. Now the Wrath is a pretty nice option even for moderate overclocking, if I remember correctly, and that lower TDP limit makes it even a better cooler for that.
One more thing. That extra $10 you pay for the cooler? You'll get them back when selling the processor in the second hand market.
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#5391738 Posted on: 02/12/2017 03:49 PM
Simply for ****s and giggles. Xeon X3230 (socket 775, don't laugh, this thing is actually beastly FOR what it is and I still play latest games more than satisfactory) @ 2700 MHz which is the fastest my board can let it go without crashing.
Stock cooling of a medium sized Gateway box (E-4610D) with 5 HDD crammed in it too, one hovering above the video card simply by the cables themselves lol.
Would be 40-42 but raised a dot when I went to make screenshot.
especially for older CPUs which were more difficult to keep cool while idle.
Simply for ****s and giggles. Xeon X3230 (socket 775, don't laugh, this thing is actually beastly FOR what it is and I still play latest games more than satisfactory) @ 2700 MHz which is the fastest my board can let it go without crashing.
Stock cooling of a medium sized Gateway box (E-4610D) with 5 HDD crammed in it too, one hovering above the video card simply by the cables themselves lol.
Would be 40-42 but raised a dot when I went to make screenshot.
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I don't know why they insist on doing this. Don't include a cooler and charge $10 less. No one wants some junk cooler on a CPU meant for demanding tasks. Even these improved coolers look like bottom-tier junk.