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AMD Kaveri FX-7600P Mobile APU Vs. ULV Haswell Benchmark mini-review
A little while ago specs on AMD's new mobile platform found its way onto the web. Basically the Kaveri APU linelup entails seven parts. Six quad cores APUS and one dual core APU. The leader of the pack is the FX-7600P and some benchmarks have reared. The lineup includes four ULV SKUs and three 35W parts. For the ULV segment the FX-7500 is a 19W quad-core clocked at 2.1/3.3GHz with 384 Radeon cores.
The R7 GPU is clocked at 496/553MHz and the APU supports DDR3 1600 memory. The A8-7100 is 19W part, quad-core clocked at 1.8GHz with an up to 3.0GHz Turbo. But next to the 17W/19W parts, AMD has also cooked up three mainstream 35W APUs.
The A8-7200P is clocked at 2.4/3.4GHz. It has R5 graphics with 256 shaders clocked at 553/626MHz. It supports DDR3 1866. The 10-7400P is slightyly faster at 2.5/3.4GHz, but it packs R6 graphics with 384 shaders clocked at 576/654MHz. Like its sibling it supports DDR 1866 memory.
| Model | CPU-cores | clokfreq./ turbo | L2-cache | GPU | CU's/GPU-cores | GPU-clok/turbo | Max. DDR3 | TDP |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| FX-7600P | 4 | 2,7 / 3,6 GHz | 4 MB | R7 | 8 / 512 | 600 / 686 MHz | 2.133 MHz | 35 watt |
| A10-7400P | 4 | 2,5 / 3,4 GHz | 4 MB | R6 | 6 / 384 | 576 / 654 MHz | 1.866 MHz | 35 watt |
| A8-7200P | 4 | 2,4 / 3,3 GHz | 4 MB | R5 | 4 / 256 | 553 / 626 MHz | 1.866 MHz | 35 watt |
| FX-7500 | 4 | 2,1 / 3,3 GHz | 4 MB | R7 | 6 / 384 | 496 / 553 MHz | 1.600 MHz | 19 watt |
| A10-7300 | 4 | 1,9 / 3,2 GHz | 4 MB | R6 | 6 / 384 | 464 / 533 MHz | 1.600 MHz | 19 watt |
| A8-7100 | 4 | 1,8 / 3 GHz | 4 MB | R5 | 4 / 256 | 450 / 514 MHz | 1.600 MHz | 19 watt |
| A6-7000 | 2 | 2,2 / 3 GHz | 1 MB | R4 | 3 / 192 | 494 / 533 MHz | 1.600 MHz | 17 watt |
The Flagship FX-7600P then, it runs at 2.7GHz base and 3.6GHz turbo and features R7 graphics with 512 shaders processors. The GPU runs at 600/686MHz. Although the GPU clocks are somewhat lower than on desktop Kaveri APUs with all 512 shaders, the new FX appears to have the most powerful integrated GPU of any mobile part to date. It is also the only mobile Kaveri to support DDR3 2133 memory.
WCCFtech (check source link) has posted the first benchmark scores of this APU, and they are quite interesting, though both benchmarks are GPU assisted:
"Not only that but the very-much mainstream A10-7300 APU is comfortably ahead of the i7-4500U, i5-4200U and i3-4010U in terms of Gaming Performance. What it actually means is that APUs are finally exiting the territory of HTPC-only setups and entering the realm of true gaming power. While you would not be able to run any modern game at anywhere near the modern games, there should be quite a few games out there that run well at low-medium settings and considering the low power consumption. That is definitely a bargain."
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#4815299 Posted on: 05/09/2014 11:22 PM
Boring, starting to miss high TDP's and lots of heat. No need for fancy cooling solutions. That's sad for a mechanical engineer. j/k Cool computing, no pun intended is always a good thing on many levels.
Boring, starting to miss high TDP's and lots of heat. No need for fancy cooling solutions. That's sad for a mechanical engineer. j/k Cool computing, no pun intended is always a good thing on many levels.
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#4815351 Posted on: 05/10/2014 01:49 AM
laptops are also limited by battery. What's the point of a laptop that has to be plugged in to be used?
more cpu cores in a laptop is useless when it comes to gaming most laptops are limited to their crap gpus. whats the point of having a laptop with an i7 that costs double and no dedicated gpu when the amd offering will destroy it with its igp.
laptops are also limited by battery. What's the point of a laptop that has to be plugged in to be used?
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#4815362 Posted on: 05/10/2014 02:09 AM
big emphasis on mini
big emphasis on mini
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#4815401 Posted on: 05/10/2014 03:43 AM
Well, to be honest, the gains in 3DMark seem that it is barely faster than the already severely hindered HD4400 in those ULV Haswells (they are working within a 15W TDP). From the graph, I'll say it's roughly 20~30% faster? That's not a really huge gain since the HD4400 is pretty slow in general... I think gamers will still opt for an Intel quad core + dedicated GPU.
I'm slightly disappointed with AMD's APUs in general though, I have an A8-5600K in a living room PC and even though its nice to have a semi-competent iGPU, it really can't do all that much. It can't play SC2 at medium, nor BF3/4 smoothly on low @ 1080/60fps. That, plus the weak IPC (and wonky temperature sensors), makes me wishing I had bought a non-K i5 and just slapped something like a GTX750 or one of my 7950s onto it. I mean, its great for the price, but I'm thinking either AMD needs to make a 8 core version or seriously up the speed on the GPU part. As it stands right now, they are all kind stuck in limbo, jack of all trades and master of none... Plus, some of the A10s are creeping into i5 price territories.
Well, to be honest, the gains in 3DMark seem that it is barely faster than the already severely hindered HD4400 in those ULV Haswells (they are working within a 15W TDP). From the graph, I'll say it's roughly 20~30% faster? That's not a really huge gain since the HD4400 is pretty slow in general... I think gamers will still opt for an Intel quad core + dedicated GPU.
I'm slightly disappointed with AMD's APUs in general though, I have an A8-5600K in a living room PC and even though its nice to have a semi-competent iGPU, it really can't do all that much. It can't play SC2 at medium, nor BF3/4 smoothly on low @ 1080/60fps. That, plus the weak IPC (and wonky temperature sensors), makes me wishing I had bought a non-K i5 and just slapped something like a GTX750 or one of my 7950s onto it. I mean, its great for the price, but I'm thinking either AMD needs to make a 8 core version or seriously up the speed on the GPU part. As it stands right now, they are all kind stuck in limbo, jack of all trades and master of none... Plus, some of the A10s are creeping into i5 price territories.
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why so few cores and shaders and so high TDP...
They should make one more CPU with:
4cores: 3.0~3.8GHz; 640 shaders; 45W
It would just fit 13/14" notebooks and would rule over any other solution there.
I have my eye on a10 micro-6700t and FX-7600p for now.
And I hope they get some micros around 400$ out + FX-7600p around 700-800$.
A lot of people say that x86 tablets can't compete with android. It's absolutely stupid thing to say.
I had Tegra 2 netbook, good device a lot of fun, but Android itself let it down.
Android cellphone, yes, it works as designed. No it's not that useful other than having modified wifi driver for packet injection and monitoring.
My last tablet? 4 cores, good graphics 2048x1536? Games I like run between 20-35fps, not very good experience. Only good for browsing/reading, watching movies on the go. Android let it down in any productivity.
No more android other than cellphones for me, because it will not evolve in next 5 years to useful shape.
But even slowest of AMD/intel x84 tablets can run any desktop application including open office, flash, gimp.
And biggest thing for me is developing x86 code on x86 platform, that is something you can't do with android.
As far as performance goes, a10 micro-6700t is capable to play a lot of new PC games on low details in 25+ fps. Older games can go fluent even on medium. But who really needs extreme details on 1366x768 10" tablet since it has nearly twice the pixel density to 1080p 24"?
As for FX-7600p, it is fully sufficient for playing any modern game 25+ fps, not that I would play BF4 on it which would be case of this lowest fps.
I had i7-720qm OC to 3.4GHz + HD5870. That CPU could not feed GPU in many of games. But it could play most of games on medium to max details @1080p back then. 512 shaders in FX-7600p should do bit better than 800 vliw5 shaders in HD5870 only thing which may hinder it is memory bandwidth, but that looks like taken care of too.
I really want HSA capable CPU to play with, but that tablet performance/watt is so tempting. No idea which I get this year, maybe both.
Likely depends if they make FX-7600p into 13/14" notebook before a10 micro-6700t hits with tablet+detachable keyboard (including 2nd battery) like HP slatebook x2.