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AMD Fixes More Ryzen Issues with New BIOS Firmware Microcode
Performance keeps on improving in games with Ryzen, that would be the generic message AMD is evangelizing in a new Blog post. It seems that AMD has made good progress on the software side of things. Yesterday we already reported on the Ashes update with a very significant performance boost. Today Dota 2 is getting that TLC. More importantly there is a microcode update planned that will improve memory latency, and thus again 1080p game performance.
The new microcode will go along with a BIOS update. With the AMD Generic Encapsulated Software Architecture (AGESA) 1.0.0.4 update the overall memory latency will drop with roughly 6 nanoseconds. By itself that doesn't sound huge, but as we have shown you in our reviews, memory timings, frequency and thus latency matters quite a bit for Ryzen relative to CPU game performance and sure, that would be a 8% imprivement in overal memory latency. The microcode update will help applications sensitive to exactly that, memory latency.
The earlier FMA3 benchmark bug also is fixed with the new motherboard firmware updates, but we reported on that one earlier already. Also an Overclock-sleep mode bug will be fixed. Last and not least, AMD Ryzen Master no longer needs the High-Precision Event Timer.
As a brief primer, the AGESA is responsible for initializing AMD x86-64 processors during boot time, acting as something of a “nucleus” for the BIOS updates you receive for your motherboard. Motherboard vendors take the baseline capabilities of our AGESA releases and build on that infrastructure to create the files you download and flash.
We will soon be distributing AGESA point release 1.0.0.4 to our motherboard partners. We expect BIOSes based on this AGESA to start hitting the public in early April, though specific dates will depend on the schedules and QA practices of your motherboard vendor.
BIOSes based on this new code will have four important improvements for you
- We have reduced DRAM latency by approximately 6ns. This can result in higher performance for latency-sensitive applications.
- We resolved a condition where an unusual FMA3 code sequence could cause a system hang.
- We resolved the “overclock sleep bug” where an incorrect CPU frequency could be reported after resuming from S3 sleep.
- AMD Ryzen™ Master no longer requires the High-Precision Event Timer (HPET).
The new BIOS updates with updated micro-code will be released in April. Below you can check some benchmark results (from AMD) on Ashes of the Singularity and DOTA 2.
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#5414659 Posted on: 03/31/2017 07:54 PM
@XenthorX
as long as it has xmp/amp profile i dont mind oc the ram.
does provide a big difference, as 2133 on 3770k (stock) produces ~32GB/s transfer rate.
and it does help if you plan on ocing the cpu. around 3-3200 seems to be the best number.
at least this way i dont have to worry about missing quad channel...
@XenthorX
as long as it has xmp/amp profile i dont mind oc the ram.
does provide a big difference, as 2133 on 3770k (stock) produces ~32GB/s transfer rate.
and it does help if you plan on ocing the cpu. around 3-3200 seems to be the best number.
at least this way i dont have to worry about missing quad channel...
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#5414665 Posted on: 03/31/2017 08:00 PM
Hilbert what do you think about AdoredTVs finding about Ryzen's gaming performance.
He tested Tomb Raider in both DX11 and 12 and found that when the NV card was changed for RX480s the sometimes ~30% lead of the 7700K melted to 6.5%
REMOVED CHARTS
...and OFC everyone tested Ryzen with NV cards as AMD at the moment cannot put anything high end to the line.
Crossfire and Single card ain't comparing apples to apples. You add in scene one extra heavy thread for 2nd gpu, which only means 4C/8T will choke earlier compared to single card setup. On DX12 this extra thread is much lighter than it is under DX11. So it's not really fair comparision as it's own.
Also we can actually expect nvidia and AMD to release ryzen specific driver updates aswell.
Hilbert what do you think about AdoredTVs finding about Ryzen's gaming performance.
He tested Tomb Raider in both DX11 and 12 and found that when the NV card was changed for RX480s the sometimes ~30% lead of the 7700K melted to 6.5%
REMOVED CHARTS
...and OFC everyone tested Ryzen with NV cards as AMD at the moment cannot put anything high end to the line.
Crossfire and Single card ain't comparing apples to apples. You add in scene one extra heavy thread for 2nd gpu, which only means 4C/8T will choke earlier compared to single card setup. On DX12 this extra thread is much lighter than it is under DX11. So it's not really fair comparision as it's own.
Also we can actually expect nvidia and AMD to release ryzen specific driver updates aswell.
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#5414696 Posted on: 03/31/2017 09:03 PM
Sorry, I only read your article I hadn't gone through the thread to see he was mentioned. I just thought it was interesting to mention, since it was on this topic, if there was any truth to it. I didn't know there was any problem.
I am currently working on an article with showing the benefits of memory timings, tweaking and overclocking. To show you how to get the best perf and experience on a Ryzen platform. I already started, but would really like to wait on the micro-code firmware update. BTW if you guys value adore tv, then really you should not even be visiting Guru3D.com.
Sorry, I only read your article I hadn't gone through the thread to see he was mentioned. I just thought it was interesting to mention, since it was on this topic, if there was any truth to it. I didn't know there was any problem.
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#5414698 Posted on: 03/31/2017 09:11 PM
@XenthorX
as long as it has xmp/amp profile i dont mind oc the ram.
does provide a big difference, as 2133 on 3770k (stock) produces ~32GB/s transfer rate.
and it does help if you plan on ocing the cpu. around 3-3200 seems to be the best number.
at least this way i dont have to worry about missing quad channel...
Exactly, i'm on quad channel 2400Mhz, toggled xmp profile on and never came back to it.
@XenthorX
as long as it has xmp/amp profile i dont mind oc the ram.
does provide a big difference, as 2133 on 3770k (stock) produces ~32GB/s transfer rate.
and it does help if you plan on ocing the cpu. around 3-3200 seems to be the best number.
at least this way i dont have to worry about missing quad channel...
Exactly, i'm on quad channel 2400Mhz, toggled xmp profile on and never came back to it.
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#5414702 Posted on: 03/31/2017 09:20 PM
AMD has plenty to bring to the line on the high end. Those "reviewers" just dont want you to see how good it is. This is the power of the Fury + Ryzen 1700
youtube.com/watch?v=994SEygRnkY
AMD has plenty to bring to the line on the high end. Those "reviewers" just dont want you to see how good it is. This is the power of the Fury + Ryzen 1700
youtube.com/watch?v=994SEygRnkY
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#5414707 Posted on: 03/31/2017 09:26 PM
I agree but wrong
I agree with you but we are missing the point here. RYZEN with proper RAM OC has enough performance or even greater gaming performance than a 7700k 5GHZ when RYZEN RAM is above 3400 MHZ.
All those reviewers posting chars of RYZEN below 3200 MHZ on RAM will never show you what the CPU is capable of, I'm glad Gilbert is already working on this article as RAM OC becomes easier.
I agree but wrong
Exactly, i'm on quad channel 2400Mhz, toggled xmp profile on and never came back to it.
I agree with you but we are missing the point here. RYZEN with proper RAM OC has enough performance or even greater gaming performance than a 7700k 5GHZ when RYZEN RAM is above 3400 MHZ.
All those reviewers posting chars of RYZEN below 3200 MHZ on RAM will never show you what the CPU is capable of, I'm glad Gilbert is already working on this article as RAM OC becomes easier.
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#5414724 Posted on: 03/31/2017 09:58 PM
Awesome Boss
, looking forward to this article as it will help many users truly understand how they can squeezed more performance out of their Ryzen set ups.
There is a lot of untapped performance to be had on Ryzen CPUs for gaming and it will get much better.
I am currently working on an article with showing the benefits of memory timings, tweaking and overclocking. To show you how to get the best perf and experience on a Ryzen platform. I already started, but would really like to wait on the micro-code firmware update.
Awesome Boss
, looking forward to this article as it will help many users truly understand how they can squeezed more performance out of their Ryzen set ups.
There is a lot of untapped performance to be had on Ryzen CPUs for gaming and it will get much better.
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#5414737 Posted on: 03/31/2017 10:23 PM
About to build a Ryzen rig to replace a Core 2 Duo at my mom's. Already got all the parts picked out...just waiting for stock.
There's bios updates almost weekly for the board I'm looking at.
About to build a Ryzen rig to replace a Core 2 Duo at my mom's. Already got all the parts picked out...just waiting for stock.
There's bios updates almost weekly for the board I'm looking at.
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#5414745 Posted on: 03/31/2017 10:39 PM
About to build a Ryzen rig to replace a Core 2 Duo at my mom's. Already got all the parts picked out...just waiting for stock.
There's bios updates almost weekly for the board I'm looking at.
From Core 2 Duo? I don't think you'll see much difference, to be honest. It's going to be like a sidegrade.
About to build a Ryzen rig to replace a Core 2 Duo at my mom's. Already got all the parts picked out...just waiting for stock.
There's bios updates almost weekly for the board I'm looking at.
From Core 2 Duo? I don't think you'll see much difference, to be honest. It's going to be like a sidegrade.
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#5414750 Posted on: 03/31/2017 10:57 PM
He got a point though Hilbert I mean, look at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBf2lvfKkxA
I can't say the numbers are or not real but wtf: not a single professional reviewer actually used an AMD GPU for testing the Ryzen platform. Wasn't Nvidia notorious for being bad with DX12 and AMD bad with DX11? Wasn't DX12 and Vulcan supposed to help improve the red team results?
What the heck: throw crossfire RX480s if you are worried with GPU bottlenecks but do test the red team!
I am currently working on an article with showing the benefits of memory timings, tweaking and overclocking. To show you how to get the best perf and experience on a Ryzen platform. I already started, but would really like to wait on the micro-code firmware update. BTW if you guys value adore tv, then really you should not even be visiting Guru3D.com.
He got a point though Hilbert I mean, look at this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBf2lvfKkxA
I can't say the numbers are or not real but wtf: not a single professional reviewer actually used an AMD GPU for testing the Ryzen platform. Wasn't Nvidia notorious for being bad with DX12 and AMD bad with DX11? Wasn't DX12 and Vulcan supposed to help improve the red team results?
What the heck: throw crossfire RX480s if you are worried with GPU bottlenecks but do test the red team!
From Core 2 Duo? I don't think you'll see much difference, to be honest. It's going to be like a sidegrade.
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#5414752 Posted on: 03/31/2017 11:08 PM
What are you smoking? Can I have some?
From Core 2 Duo? I don't think you'll see much difference, to be honest. It's going to be like a sidegrade.
What are you smoking? Can I have some?
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#5414760 Posted on: 03/31/2017 11:32 PM
I can't say the numbers are or not real but wtf: not a single professional reviewer actually used an AMD GPU for testing the Ryzen platform. Wasn't Nvidia notorious for being bad with DX12 and AMD bad with DX11? Wasn't DX12 and Vulcan supposed to help improve the red team results?
What the heck: throw crossfire RX480s if you are worried with GPU bottlenecks but do test the red team!
Why bother, use one RX480 and just lower resolution to 720p to see if it changes anything. It is better to test CPU without encountering GPU bottleneck.
I can't say the numbers are or not real but wtf: not a single professional reviewer actually used an AMD GPU for testing the Ryzen platform. Wasn't Nvidia notorious for being bad with DX12 and AMD bad with DX11? Wasn't DX12 and Vulcan supposed to help improve the red team results?
What the heck: throw crossfire RX480s if you are worried with GPU bottlenecks but do test the red team!
Why bother, use one RX480 and just lower resolution to 720p to see if it changes anything. It is better to test CPU without encountering GPU bottleneck.
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#5414786 Posted on: 04/01/2017 12:57 AM
I have no idea about Tech Epiphany, but if that video of theirs posted here has any merit, then WTF.
I have no idea about Tech Epiphany, but if that video of theirs posted here has any merit, then WTF.
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#5414788 Posted on: 04/01/2017 01:06 AM
Yet here you are
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBf2lufKkxA
BTW if you guys value TechEpiphany? then really you should not even be visiting Guru3D.com.
Yet here you are
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBf2lufKkxA
BTW if you guys value TechEpiphany? then really you should not even be visiting Guru3D.com.
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I suppose this would be a good place to throw in this video: removed please do not link to that channel.
TL;DW - He believes nVidia's drivers have poor multi-threading leading to the poor Ryzen game results as the AMD cards perform much better.