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AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution (FSR) to launch this year (to fight off DLSS)

by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 03/18/2021 01:32 PM | source: videocardz / PC World | 39 comment(s)
AMD FidelityFX Super Resolution (FSR) to launch this year (to fight off DLSS)

For PCs that is. If you read yesterday's Radeon RX 6700 reviews you will have noticed our comments on the fact that AMD still does not have a DLSS alternative available, and that's increasingly hard to defend.

Prior to the reviews got released media asked AMD about this, and two weeks ago, AMD did not have any answer other than we're working on it, with no timeline. It seems that pressure has been built, and AMD is now communicating more clearly about the topic. In an interview with PCWorld, AMD’s Scott Herkelman now has made a statement that AMD’s Super Resolution technology would be released this year. And yes, that's a rather wide margin to name. 

It’s progressing very well internally in our lab, but it’s our commitment to the gaming community that it needs to be open that it needs to work across all things and game developers need to adopt it. Even though it’s progressing well, we still have more work to do and not only internally but with our game developer partners. We want to launch it this year. We belive we can do that this year, but at the same time we a lot more work ahead of us. We need to make sure the image quality is there. We need to make sure it can scale from different resolutions. And at the same time that our game developers are happy with what we are producing.

It’s probably one of the biggest software initiatives we have internally because we know how important it is if you want to turn on ray tracing that you don’t just wanna have that competitive hit or your GPU get hit so hard. The FSR (that will be called the acronym), is something key to us to launch this year, but it’s gonna a little bit more time. We are progressing well, but we still have some work to do.

— Scott Herkelman

AMD is to name the technology FidelityFX Super Resolution, aka FSR. Unfortunately, it is still unknown how this tech will work; logic indicates it'll be a port of full MLAA (DirectML) as developed by Microsoft. AMD does not have Tensor cores or an equivalent to them; the methodology still needs to run over the existing CUs, which will require GPU resources, more so than DLSS. However, since there are no details, this might not even become a machine learning algorithm-based solution.  We state this because this is what Mr. Herkelman mentions:

You don’t need machine learning to do it, you can do this many different ways and we are evaluating many different ways. What matters the most to us is what game developers want to use because if at the end of the day it is just for us, we force people to do it, it is not a good outcome. We would rather say: gaming community, which one of these techniques would you rather see us implement so that this way it can be immediately spread across the industry and hopefully cross-platform.

— Scott Herkelman

We can learn here that the primary focus is shifting to PC; as previously, this same man mentioned they'd release it only until all platforms (consoles) are compatible and ready.







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Embra
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#5897030 Posted on: 03/18/2021 03:27 PM
I hope this tech slips down to my Vega 64. I would at least like to fiddle with it.

I am not optimistic on either count. Still, I interested to see what they end up with.

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#5897033 Posted on: 03/18/2021 03:33 PM
I doubt it will be anything meaningful

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#5897041 Posted on: 03/18/2021 03:59 PM

rdna2 is the beta testing

true

This should have really been launched with the vapour launch of the 6800/6900XT. AMD really dropped the ball.

it'll have been a year after the launch that 6800/6900 owners get to use RT at playable framerates

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#5897042 Posted on: 03/18/2021 04:02 PM
I know it's easy to say but this should have been ready for the RDNA 2.0 start.
So now those owners still have to wait a lot to get something similar to dlss.
By that logic, that's like saying we should have 5nm GPUs and quantum processors in every PC by now. Complex things don't just magically happen overnight.

How simple do you think it is to develop an AI that yields compelling results in realtime? Nvidia had years to work on DLSS without being pressured to release it, and their v1.0 was so bad that it was used as a reason to dismiss the high price of the RTX 2000 series. AMD's Windows driver team isn't exactly known to be fast and proficient. I'd say they're making decent time for a product that they weren't prepared to make.

All that being said, I have low hopes that this feature is going to what we're all expecting. Let's hope it isn't as limited in what it can work on, though.

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#5897111 Posted on: 03/18/2021 06:09 PM
By that logic, that's like saying we should have 5nm GPUs and quantum processors in every PC by now. Complex things don't just magically happen overnight.

How simple do you think it is to develop an AI that yields compelling results in realtime? Nvidia had years to work on DLSS without being pressured to release it, and their v1.0 was so bad that it was used as a reason to dismiss the high price of the RTX 2000 series. AMD's Windows driver team isn't exactly known to be fast and proficient. I'd say they're making decent time for a product that they weren't prepared to make.

All that being said, I have low hopes that this feature is going to what we're all expecting. Let's hope it isn't as limited in what it can work on, though.

I don't think that analogy works and I'm not sure that's the reason for AMD not having a DLSS competitor. If Intel was publically working on quantum computers since 2014, had a breakthrough that showed one working decently well in 2017, and in 2019 shipped a quantum computer.. all while in 2019 AMD is saying "We also can build a quantum computer using our current technology" then two years later said "We aren't sure we are even going to build quantum computers" that would be the analogy. I think at least a few people would question whether AMD invested in the wrong thing, or invested too late in the wrong thing, etc.

Either way I don't buy the idea that they couldn't have had a solution by now. They had plenty of time - they just invested in other places, which is fine but it might be a mistake depending on what a potential DLSS 3.0 and/or other AI enhancements bring.

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