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AMD Confirms AGESA 1.0.0.3 ABBA firmware with a Blog post

by Hilbert Hagedoorn on: 09/10/2019 06:36 PM | source: | 83 comment(s)
AMD Confirms AGESA 1.0.0.3 ABBA firmware with a Blog post

Following our story on the AMD AGESA 1.0.0.3 ABBA firmware, AMD just announced a comprehensive update for 3rd Gen AMD Ryzen processor boost behavior, desktop idle behavior, as well as a new monitoring SDK. 

The BIOSes, based on AGESA 1003ABBA, have been released to the motherboard partners, and flashable BIOSes are expected to be available in approximately two weeks, depending on manufacturers’ testing and implementation schedules.

Feedback from users on how our products operate in the real world is very important to AMD, and we understand that there are some users who expressed concerns about their ability to hit the maximum boost frequency of their product. The new BIOS resolves this issue by implementing the performance optimization to enhance the frequency which will add approximately 25-50MHz to the current boost frequencies under various workloads. This release also addresses an update to desktop idle behavior, providing an “activity filter” that empowers the CPU boost algorithm to disregard intermittent OS and application background noise. Additionally, available for public download on September 30, AMD announced it will release the AMD Monitoring SDK, designed to support anyone with building a public monitoring utility that can reliably report a range of key processor metrics in a consistent manner. As a preview of what the new SDK can enable, AMD Ryzen Master already includes the new Average Core Voltage API, ready for download today.

-- AMD Blog --

Today we have some important updates for you concerning processor boost behavior, desktop idle behavior, and a new monitoring SDK. The first two changes will be arriving in BIOSes based on AGESA 1003ABBA, and we are planning to make the SDK public on developer.amd.com with a target release date of September 30.

Boost Changes

Starting with our commitment to provide you an update on processor boost, our analysis indicates that the processor boost algorithm was affected by an issue that could cause target frequencies to be lower than expected. This has been resolved. We’ve also been exploring other opportunities to optimize performance, which can further enhance the frequency. These changes are now being implemented in flashable BIOSes from our motherboard partners. Across the stack of 3rd Gen Ryzen Processors, our internal testing shows that these changes can add approximately 25-50MHz to the current boost frequencies under various workloads.

Our estimation of the benefit is broadly based on workloads like PCMark 10 and Kraken JavaScript Benchmark. The actual improvement may be lower or higher depending on the workload, system configuration, and thermal/cooling solution implemented in the PC. We used the following test system in our analysis:

  • AMD Reference Motherboard (AGESA 1003ABBA beta BIOS)
  • 2x8GB DDR4-3600C16
  • AMD Wraith Prism and Noctua NH-D15S coolers
  • Windows 10 May 2019 Update
  • 22°C ambient test lab
  • Streacom BC1 Open Benchtable
  • AMD Chipset Driver 1.8.19.xxx
  • AMD Ryzen Balanced power plan
  • BIOS defaults (except memory OC)

These improvements will be available in final BIOSes starting in about three weeks’ time, depending on the testing and implementation schedule of your motherboard manufacturer. 

Going forward, it’s important to understand how our boost technology operates. Our processors perform intelligent real-time analysis of the CPU temperature, motherboard voltage regulator current (amps), socket power (watts), loaded cores, and workload intensity to maximize performance from millisecond to millisecond. Ensuring your system has adequate thermal paste; reliable system cooling; the latest motherboard BIOS; reliable BIOS settings/configuration; the latest AMD chipset driver; and the latest operating system can enhance your experience.

Following the installation of the latest BIOS update, a consumer running a bursty, single threaded application on a PC with the latest software updates and adequate voltage and thermal headroom should see the maximum boost frequency of their processor. PCMark 10 is a good proxy for a user to test the maximum boost frequency of the processor in their system. It is fully expected that if users run a workload like Cinebench, which runs for an extended period of time, the operating frequencies may be lower than maximum throughout the run.

In addition, we do want to address recent questions about reliability. We perform extensive engineering analysis to develop reliability models and to model the lifetime of our processors before entering mass production. While AGESA 1003AB contained changes to improve system stability and performance for users, changes were not made for product longevity reasons. We do not expect that the improvements that have been made in boost frequency for AGESA 1003ABBA will have any impact on the lifetime of your Ryzen processor.

Revisiting Calmer Idle

In late July, we implemented a series of software changes that would help the processor ignore requests for voltage/frequency boost from lightweight applications. The goal was to make the processor more relaxed at the desktop, but poised to react for serious workloads. While many of you were happy with the effect of the software changes, some of you were still grappling with cases where the CPU was a bit overzealous with boost. We wanted to smooth those out, too.

Today we’re announcing that AGESA 1003ABBA carries firmware-level changes designed to do just that. The changes primarily arrive in the form of an “activity filter” that empowers the CPU boost algorithm itself to disregard intermittent OS and application background noise. Example test cases might include: video playback, game launchers, monitoring utilities, and peripheral utilities. These cases tend to make regular requests for a higher boost state, but their intermittent nature would fall below the threshold of the activity filter. Net-net, we expect you’ll see lower desktop voltages, around 1.2V, for the core(s) actively handling such tasks. We believe this solution will be even more effective than the July changes for an even wider range of applications.

  

AMD Ryzen 9 3900X peak/average CPU core voltages running Steam and AMD Ryzen Master (version 2.0.2.1271). Similar voltages, around 1.09V, were observed while running Corsair iCUE software.

Please keep in mind, however, that this firmware change is not a cap. The processor must still be free to boost if active workload(s) seriously require it, so you should still expect occasions where the processor will explore its designed and tested voltage range of 0.2V to 1.5V.

New Monitoring SDK

Obtaining reliable data about the operating behavior of a processor is important to enthusiasts such as myself. There are many monitoring utilities on the market, and we work with many of them to ensure they’re accessing telemetry data in a sensible manner. Regardless of the utility, however, it’s common sense that all the tools should roughly correlate when you ask a simple question like “what’s my CPU temperature?”

Enabling a consistent experience across monitoring utilities is important to us. That’s why we’re announcing the September 30 release of the AMD Monitoring SDK that will allow anyone to build a public monitoring utility that can reliably report a range of key processor metrics in a consistent manner. Altogether, there are 30+ API calls within the first SDK release, but we’ve highlighted a few of the more important or interesting ones below:

  • Current Operating Temperature: Reports the average temperature of the CPU cores over a short sample period. By design, this metric filters transient spikes that can skew temperature reporting.
  • Peak Core(s) Voltage (PCV): Reports the Voltage Identification (VID) requested by the CPU package of the motherboard voltage regulators. This voltage is set to service the needs of the cores under active load, but isn’t necessarily the final voltage experienced by all of the CPU cores.
  • Average Core Voltage (ACV): Reports the average voltages experienced by all processor cores over a short sample period, factoring in active power management, sleep states, Vdroop, and idle time.
  • EDC (A), TDC (A), PPT (W): The current and power limits for your motherboard VRMs and processor socket.
  • Peak Speed: The maximum frequency of the fastest core during the sample period.
  • Effective Frequency: The frequency of the processor cores after factoring in time spent in sleep states (e.g. cc6 core sleep or pc6 package sleep). Example: One processor core is running at 4GHz while awake, but in cc6 core sleep for 50% of the sample period. The effective frequency of this core would be 2GHz. This value can give you a feel for how often the cores are using aggressive power management capabilities that aren’t immediately obvious (e.g. clock or voltage changes).
  • Various voltages and clocks, including: SoC voltage, DRAM voltage, fabric clock, memory clock, etc.

 

A Preview in Action

This SDK will be available for public download on developer.amd.com on September 30. As a preview of what the new SDK can enable, AMD Ryzen Master (version 2.0.2.1271) has already been updated with the new Average Core Voltage API for 3rd Gen Ryzen Processors.

As noted above, Average Core Voltage shows you average voltages that all CPU cores are experiencing over a short sample period after you factor in sleep states, idle states, active power management, and Vdroop. Depending on the load on the processor, this value might be quite different from Peak Core(s) Voltage.

For example: if the processor is lightly loaded on a few cores, the overall activity level of all the CPU cores will be relatively low and, therefore, the Average Core Voltage will be low as well. But the active cores still need intermittently higher voltages to power boost frequencies, which will be reflected in the Peak Core Voltage. As the CPU comes under full load, these two values will eventually converge representing that all cores are active at approximately the same intensity. The overall goal of these two values is to show you what’s happening moment-to-moment the most loaded cores (Peak), and what’s happening more generally to the CPU cores over time (Average).

We hope new APIs like Average Core Voltage give you a better understanding of how our processors behave, and we can’t wait to see more tools make use of the new monitoring SDK. Visit amd.com on September 30 for the first public release!

What to Expect Next

AGESA 1003ABBA has now been released to our motherboard partners. Now they will perform additional testing, QA, and implementation work on their specific hardware (versus our reference motherboard). Final BIOSes based on AGESA 1003ABBA will begin to arrive in approximately three weeks, depending on the testing time of your vendor and motherboard.

Going forward, we’ll continue providing updates in this format as the updates are being prepped for release. In the interim, please don’t hesitate to reach out our support page if you have questions or need help.







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#5709735 Posted on: 09/10/2019 06:45 PM
I look forward to seeing the tests from Roman and others. AMD isn't being very clear what happened from when reviews came out till now.

Starting with our commitment to provide you an update on processor boost, our analysis indicates that the processor boost algorithm was affected by an issue that could cause target frequencies to be lower than expected. This has been resolved.


Why did this happen?!

Some of what they are saying is just uh... odd.

Going forward, it’s important to understand how our boost technology operates. Our processors perform intelligent real-time analysis of the CPU temperature, motherboard voltage regulator current (amps), socket power (watts), loaded cores, and workload intensity to maximize performance from millisecond to millisecond. Ensuring your system has adequate thermal paste; reliable system cooling; the latest motherboard BIOS; reliable BIOS settings/configuration; the latest AMD chipset driver; and the latest operating system can enhance your experience.


Isn't this how most modern CPUs operate? How is this special to them?

New Monitoring SDK


Honestly, it really just seems they are saying most of the problem is how people are using current software to report what is going on. So it isn't really AMD's fault, its you, so we are putting together our own thing to make us look better.

Again, wait for Roman and others. This isn't over, I bet.

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#5709745 Posted on: 09/10/2019 07:09 PM
@jwb1: a little bit hasty there. Of course, wait for reviews, however the 3000 series is a new - and particularly complex - product, and with ANY new product...etc....should there not be some common sense applied?? Are you really that surprised that 'details' may need ironing out?

I also think it needs continual reminding that CPU's are now starting to be released that are essentially pre-overclocked i.e. with reduced o/c headroom, and with that comes very obvious consequences, as anyone who has overclocked will instantly recognise. I wonder how much o/c headroom will be available for a certain competitor's 5GHz imminent release?...a binned chip by any other name?

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#5709752 Posted on: 09/10/2019 07:22 PM
@jwb1

I also think it needs continual reminding that CPU's are now starting to be released that are essentially pre-overclocked i.e. with reduced o/c headroom, and with that comes very obvious consequences, as anyone who has overclocked will instantly recognise. I wonder how much o/c headroom will be available for a certain competitor's 5GHz imminent release?...a binned chip by any other name?

That isn't the problem here. The issue is that from the time of review to now something has changed and it has nothing to do with people overclocking as overclocking is not guaranteed. It is that they are not properly reaching their advertised clock speeds AMD said they should get to.

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#5709754 Posted on: 09/10/2019 07:25 PM
I look forward to seeing the tests from Roman and others. AMD isn't being very clear what happened from when reviews came out till now.



Why did this happen?!

Some of what they are saying is just uh... odd.



Isn't this how most modern CPUs operate? How is this special to them?



Honestly, it really just seems they are saying most of the problem is how people are using current software to report what is going on. So it isn't really AMD's fault, its you, so we are putting together our own thing to make us look better.

Again, wait for Roman and others. This isn't over, I bet.


I mean it is over because everyone who's tried the bios sees the correct boost frequencies (in some cases over it) and the results of benchmarks show the improvement.

I don't see how having a boost algorithm issue is any more odd then any other bios issue.

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#5709760 Posted on: 09/10/2019 07:28 PM
I mean it is over because everyone who's tried the bios sees the correct boost frequencies (in some cases over it) and the results of benchmarks show the improvement.

I don't see how having a boost algorithm issue is any more odd then any other bios issue.

Actually, no, Tom's showed different: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-3000-boost-frequency-bios-fix-agesa,40359.html

Our tests with the Ryzen 9 3900X don't show the across-the-board improvement

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