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AMD based Xbox Series X could have 3584 shader processors
Xbox Series X is coming later next year and it is powered by an AMD SoC. The specs in relation to the GPU however have been scarce. That might have changed as some information appeared on AMDs Github page, listing the SoC at 3584 shaders processors.
At the end of last week, several users discovered a Github repository, which was apparently maintained by AMD and contains all sorts of information about the systems-on-a-chip of Playstation 5 and Xbox Series X. In the meantime it has been taken offline and associated tweets have also been deleted - probably under pressure from Microsoft and Sony or directly through AMD.
The dataset was quite big, but the gents from DigitalFoundry have deciphered it. The new Xbox would get a GPU with 56 compute units at 1.675 GHz. So at 64 Shaders per CU that is 3584 Shaders. To compare a bit, the Radeon RX 5700 XT has 40 compute units. So that is a mighty heap of graphics power for a console.
| Xbox Series X (Anaconda) | Xbox One X | Xbox One/ Xbox One S | |
|---|---|---|---|
| CPU | Eight Zen 2 Cores with SMT - clocks undisclosed | Eight Jaguar cores clocked at 2.3GHz | Eight Jaguar cores clocked at 1.75GHz |
| GPU | 56 custom Navi compute units at approx 1700MHz | 40 custom GCN compute units at 1172MHz | 12 GCN compute units at 853MHz/914MHz (S) |
| Memory | GDDR6 at 560GB/s - capacity undisclosed | 12GB GDDR5 at 326GB/s |
8GB DDR3 at 68GB/s (Plus ESRAM)
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The Playstation 5 would get 36 compute units and 2304 shaders at 2 GHz. Both consoles are rumored to get GDDR6 for a proper memory bandwidth of let's say 448 GB/s. Both consoles aim to be available for the holidays of 2020.
| PlayStation 5 (Unconfirmed) | PlayStation 4 Pro | PlayStation 4 | |
|---|---|---|---|
| CPU | Eight Zen 2 Cores with SMT - clocks undisclosed | Eight Jaguar cores clocked at 2.1GHz | Eight Jaguar cores clocked at 1.6GHz |
| GPU | 36 custom Navi compute units at 2000MHz | 36 custom GCN compute units at 911MHz | 18 GCN compute units at 800MHz |
| Memory | GDDR6 at 448GB/s (Possibly 512GB/s) - capacity undisclosed | 8GB GDDR5 at 218GB/s | 8GB GDDR5 at 176GB/s |
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#5746490 Posted on: 12/31/2019 09:26 AM
If this is true, it's for the first time ever that a console is on-par with high-end PCs in computing power.
What a moment to be alive ! (and a gamer...)
If this is true, it's for the first time ever that a console is on-par with high-end PCs in computing power.
What a moment to be alive ! (and a gamer...)
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#5746492 Posted on: 12/31/2019 09:32 AM
i have the same feeling
5800xt incoming. 
i have the same feeling
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#5746494 Posted on: 12/31/2019 09:46 AM
Wonder how true this is. considering price points of consoles normally, unless the X series X is going to be in the £600-£800 range? that or they are willing to take a massive hit from sales. It wouldnt shock me if they come out being weaker than this, though guess id be a bit shocked if xbox and ps5 have massively different compute levels
Wonder how true this is. considering price points of consoles normally, unless the X series X is going to be in the £600-£800 range? that or they are willing to take a massive hit from sales. It wouldnt shock me if they come out being weaker than this, though guess id be a bit shocked if xbox and ps5 have massively different compute levels
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#5746502 Posted on: 12/31/2019 10:10 AM
Well as we know from previous generations Sony and Microsoft are fine with selling at a loss since that gets more people in the ecosystem which eventually brings more revenue, and usually after the first year or so the price of the components drops so they are no longer sold at a loss.
Wonder how true this is. considering price points of consoles normally, unless the X series X is going to be in the £600-£800 range? that or they are willing to take a massive hit from sales. It wouldnt shock me if they come out being weaker than this, though guess id be a bit shocked if xbox and ps5 have massively different compute levels
Well as we know from previous generations Sony and Microsoft are fine with selling at a loss since that gets more people in the ecosystem which eventually brings more revenue, and usually after the first year or so the price of the components drops so they are no longer sold at a loss.
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#5746503 Posted on: 12/31/2019 10:10 AM
Shocked and sad.
I want to have the ps5 ( since i have the 4 ) but if is less powerfull of the xbox i won't buy it
And i won't buy a XBOX because i'm like that.
Seems weird that the difference is so big. Maybe xbox is coming with multiple version at launch?
Wonder how true this is. considering price points of consoles normally, unless the X series X is going to be in the £600-£800 range? that or they are willing to take a massive hit from sales. It wouldnt shock me if they come out being weaker than this, though guess id be a bit shocked if xbox and ps5 have massively different compute levels
Shocked and sad.
I want to have the ps5 ( since i have the 4 ) but if is less powerfull of the xbox i won't buy it
And i won't buy a XBOX because i'm like that.
Seems weird that the difference is so big. Maybe xbox is coming with multiple version at launch?
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#5746505 Posted on: 12/31/2019 10:11 AM
I'm very curious to see the zen performance coupled with gddr6. I would like it we could benchmark it.
I'm very curious to see the zen performance coupled with gddr6. I would like it we could benchmark it.
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#5746507 Posted on: 12/31/2019 10:12 AM
Guys, Jensen has spoken. 2080 max-q is faster than this.
Guys, Jensen has spoken. 2080 max-q is faster than this.
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#5746509 Posted on: 12/31/2019 10:15 AM
Considering 5700XT has 36 RDNA1 CUs at 1750 and Anacoda 56 RDNA2 at 1700, while having Jensen talking down the new consoles it will be funny to see the faces of all those splashed £1200 for their RTX2080Tis and 3080Tis.
Guys, Jensen has spoken. 2080 max-q is faster than this.
Considering 5700XT has 36 RDNA1 CUs at 1750 and Anacoda 56 RDNA2 at 1700, while having Jensen talking down the new consoles it will be funny to see the faces of all those splashed £1200 for their RTX2080Tis and 3080Tis.
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#5746520 Posted on: 12/31/2019 10:55 AM
The ps5 specs are believable but the xbox x specs seem too good to be true either way the consoles are shaping up to be decent looking power houses.
The ps5 specs are believable but the xbox x specs seem too good to be true either way the consoles are shaping up to be decent looking power houses.
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#5746527 Posted on: 12/31/2019 11:35 AM
In regards to how they're going to get these expensive machines in people's hands-
I've heard from a friend in retail say they're working on the presumption that they want to sell this new generation the way mobile phones are sold.
So finance over two years plus access to services like Microsoft gamepass.
In regards to how they're going to get these expensive machines in people's hands-
I've heard from a friend in retail say they're working on the presumption that they want to sell this new generation the way mobile phones are sold.
So finance over two years plus access to services like Microsoft gamepass.
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#5746534 Posted on: 12/31/2019 12:19 PM
That sounds very optimistic, new phones are close to 1000$ and even 500$ would be pretty expensive for the console units to a lot of people but even at a loss or hoping PSNow / GamePass covers it over a period of time I have no idea how Microsoft or Sony could get higher-end components into the upcoming consoles without pushing a higher than before price level and maybe having cheaper models but I don't know what they could do there other than the possibility of a refresh Pro / X model higher-end in a few years again but that's a price increase not a decrease.
Will be very interesting to hear the announcements and what they're going to actually price these at.
EDIT: Well I don't expect the retail price to be quite identical but probably above the 399$ range possibly even hitting over the initial PS3 price at 599$ I think it was?
Still cheaper than a comparable PC but I have no idea how that's going to work or how it will be received if it's going to be some 700+ USD / EUR cost for these.
Or perhaps it won't and they'll take a bigger loss on the actual hardware to push prices down and sell with expectations of making it back over the next few years through the games, services and subscriptions and such.
Going to be interesting to hear how it's going to end up.
That sounds very optimistic, new phones are close to 1000$ and even 500$ would be pretty expensive for the console units to a lot of people but even at a loss or hoping PSNow / GamePass covers it over a period of time I have no idea how Microsoft or Sony could get higher-end components into the upcoming consoles without pushing a higher than before price level and maybe having cheaper models but I don't know what they could do there other than the possibility of a refresh Pro / X model higher-end in a few years again but that's a price increase not a decrease.
Will be very interesting to hear the announcements and what they're going to actually price these at.
EDIT: Well I don't expect the retail price to be quite identical but probably above the 399$ range possibly even hitting over the initial PS3 price at 599$ I think it was?
Still cheaper than a comparable PC but I have no idea how that's going to work or how it will be received if it's going to be some 700+ USD / EUR cost for these.
Or perhaps it won't and they'll take a bigger loss on the actual hardware to push prices down and sell with expectations of making it back over the next few years through the games, services and subscriptions and such.
Going to be interesting to hear how it's going to end up.
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#5746535 Posted on: 12/31/2019 12:38 PM
I'll buy whichever console screws up the launch less.
Last time that was PS4 though eventually I did get an Xbox One and it's honestly a great console now. But remember the original Xbone announcement?
-Kinect required to operate the console and turn it on
-Must be online all the time for daily license checks
-No playing used games or letting friends borrow game discs.
-$499, with shared DDR3 and weak hardware and much of the RAM reserved for the OS
Then Sony said $399, none of that bs, and more powerful hardware and the console war was over before it began.
I'll buy whichever console screws up the launch less.
Last time that was PS4 though eventually I did get an Xbox One and it's honestly a great console now. But remember the original Xbone announcement?
-Kinect required to operate the console and turn it on
-Must be online all the time for daily license checks
-No playing used games or letting friends borrow game discs.
-$499, with shared DDR3 and weak hardware and much of the RAM reserved for the OS
Then Sony said $399, none of that bs, and more powerful hardware and the console war was over before it began.
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#5746536 Posted on: 12/31/2019 12:39 PM
In regards to how they're going to get these expensive machines in people's hands-
I've heard from a friend in retail say they're working on the presumption that they want to sell this new generation the way mobile phones are sold.
So finance over two years plus access to services like Microsoft gamepass.
Or it could just be like previous generations of consoles, sell the console at a loss with the intent of making the money back via subscription to play multiplayer video games.
At least this is my understanding of what happened in the past.
In regards to how they're going to get these expensive machines in people's hands-
I've heard from a friend in retail say they're working on the presumption that they want to sell this new generation the way mobile phones are sold.
So finance over two years plus access to services like Microsoft gamepass.
Or it could just be like previous generations of consoles, sell the console at a loss with the intent of making the money back via subscription to play multiplayer video games.
At least this is my understanding of what happened in the past.
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#5746541 Posted on: 12/31/2019 12:56 PM
Companies always sell consoles at a lost. Money is made back on subscription and games, services etc.
Early days of specs, obviously will change. Depending on many things.
Will be interesting to see what other things will be used in software as well.
Regardless of power. It's the games that matter and os and other things these consoles will be capable of.
Companies always sell consoles at a lost. Money is made back on subscription and games, services etc.
Early days of specs, obviously will change. Depending on many things.
Will be interesting to see what other things will be used in software as well.
Regardless of power. It's the games that matter and os and other things these consoles will be capable of.
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5800xt incoming.