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AMD based Xbox Series X could have 3584 shader processors
Xbox Series X is coming later next year and it is powered by an AMD SoC. The specs in relation to the GPU however have been scarce. That might have changed as some information appeared on AMDs Github page, listing the SoC at 3584 shaders processors.
At the end of last week, several users discovered a Github repository, which was apparently maintained by AMD and contains all sorts of information about the systems-on-a-chip of Playstation 5 and Xbox Series X. In the meantime it has been taken offline and associated tweets have also been deleted - probably under pressure from Microsoft and Sony or directly through AMD.
The dataset was quite big, but the gents from DigitalFoundry have deciphered it. The new Xbox would get a GPU with 56 compute units at 1.675 GHz. So at 64 Shaders per CU that is 3584 Shaders. To compare a bit, the Radeon RX 5700 XT has 40 compute units. So that is a mighty heap of graphics power for a console.
| Xbox Series X (Anaconda) | Xbox One X | Xbox One/ Xbox One S | |
|---|---|---|---|
| CPU | Eight Zen 2 Cores with SMT - clocks undisclosed | Eight Jaguar cores clocked at 2.3GHz | Eight Jaguar cores clocked at 1.75GHz |
| GPU | 56 custom Navi compute units at approx 1700MHz | 40 custom GCN compute units at 1172MHz | 12 GCN compute units at 853MHz/914MHz (S) |
| Memory | GDDR6 at 560GB/s - capacity undisclosed | 12GB GDDR5 at 326GB/s |
8GB DDR3 at 68GB/s (Plus ESRAM)
|
The Playstation 5 would get 36 compute units and 2304 shaders at 2 GHz. Both consoles are rumored to get GDDR6 for a proper memory bandwidth of let's say 448 GB/s. Both consoles aim to be available for the holidays of 2020.
| PlayStation 5 (Unconfirmed) | PlayStation 4 Pro | PlayStation 4 | |
|---|---|---|---|
| CPU | Eight Zen 2 Cores with SMT - clocks undisclosed | Eight Jaguar cores clocked at 2.1GHz | Eight Jaguar cores clocked at 1.6GHz |
| GPU | 36 custom Navi compute units at 2000MHz | 36 custom GCN compute units at 911MHz | 18 GCN compute units at 800MHz |
| Memory | GDDR6 at 448GB/s (Possibly 512GB/s) - capacity undisclosed | 8GB GDDR5 at 218GB/s | 8GB GDDR5 at 176GB/s |
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#5746534 Posted on: 12/31/2019 01:19 PM
That sounds very optimistic, new phones are close to 1000$ and even 500$ would be pretty expensive for the console units to a lot of people but even at a loss or hoping PSNow / GamePass covers it over a period of time I have no idea how Microsoft or Sony could get higher-end components into the upcoming consoles without pushing a higher than before price level and maybe having cheaper models but I don't know what they could do there other than the possibility of a refresh Pro / X model higher-end in a few years again but that's a price increase not a decrease.
Will be very interesting to hear the announcements and what they're going to actually price these at.
EDIT: Well I don't expect the retail price to be quite identical but probably above the 399$ range possibly even hitting over the initial PS3 price at 599$ I think it was?
Still cheaper than a comparable PC but I have no idea how that's going to work or how it will be received if it's going to be some 700+ USD / EUR cost for these.
Or perhaps it won't and they'll take a bigger loss on the actual hardware to push prices down and sell with expectations of making it back over the next few years through the games, services and subscriptions and such.
Going to be interesting to hear how it's going to end up.
That sounds very optimistic, new phones are close to 1000$ and even 500$ would be pretty expensive for the console units to a lot of people but even at a loss or hoping PSNow / GamePass covers it over a period of time I have no idea how Microsoft or Sony could get higher-end components into the upcoming consoles without pushing a higher than before price level and maybe having cheaper models but I don't know what they could do there other than the possibility of a refresh Pro / X model higher-end in a few years again but that's a price increase not a decrease.
Will be very interesting to hear the announcements and what they're going to actually price these at.
EDIT: Well I don't expect the retail price to be quite identical but probably above the 399$ range possibly even hitting over the initial PS3 price at 599$ I think it was?
Still cheaper than a comparable PC but I have no idea how that's going to work or how it will be received if it's going to be some 700+ USD / EUR cost for these.
Or perhaps it won't and they'll take a bigger loss on the actual hardware to push prices down and sell with expectations of making it back over the next few years through the games, services and subscriptions and such.
Going to be interesting to hear how it's going to end up.
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#5746535 Posted on: 12/31/2019 01:38 PM
I'll buy whichever console screws up the launch less.
Last time that was PS4 though eventually I did get an Xbox One and it's honestly a great console now. But remember the original Xbone announcement?
-Kinect required to operate the console and turn it on
-Must be online all the time for daily license checks
-No playing used games or letting friends borrow game discs.
-$499, with shared DDR3 and weak hardware and much of the RAM reserved for the OS
Then Sony said $399, none of that bs, and more powerful hardware and the console war was over before it began.
I'll buy whichever console screws up the launch less.
Last time that was PS4 though eventually I did get an Xbox One and it's honestly a great console now. But remember the original Xbone announcement?
-Kinect required to operate the console and turn it on
-Must be online all the time for daily license checks
-No playing used games or letting friends borrow game discs.
-$499, with shared DDR3 and weak hardware and much of the RAM reserved for the OS
Then Sony said $399, none of that bs, and more powerful hardware and the console war was over before it began.
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#5746536 Posted on: 12/31/2019 01:39 PM
In regards to how they're going to get these expensive machines in people's hands-
I've heard from a friend in retail say they're working on the presumption that they want to sell this new generation the way mobile phones are sold.
So finance over two years plus access to services like Microsoft gamepass.
Or it could just be like previous generations of consoles, sell the console at a loss with the intent of making the money back via subscription to play multiplayer video games.
At least this is my understanding of what happened in the past.
In regards to how they're going to get these expensive machines in people's hands-
I've heard from a friend in retail say they're working on the presumption that they want to sell this new generation the way mobile phones are sold.
So finance over two years plus access to services like Microsoft gamepass.
Or it could just be like previous generations of consoles, sell the console at a loss with the intent of making the money back via subscription to play multiplayer video games.
At least this is my understanding of what happened in the past.
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#5746541 Posted on: 12/31/2019 01:56 PM
Companies always sell consoles at a lost. Money is made back on subscription and games, services etc.
Early days of specs, obviously will change. Depending on many things.
Will be interesting to see what other things will be used in software as well.
Regardless of power. It's the games that matter and os and other things these consoles will be capable of.
Companies always sell consoles at a lost. Money is made back on subscription and games, services etc.
Early days of specs, obviously will change. Depending on many things.
Will be interesting to see what other things will be used in software as well.
Regardless of power. It's the games that matter and os and other things these consoles will be capable of.
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In regards to how they're going to get these expensive machines in people's hands-
I've heard from a friend in retail say they're working on the presumption that they want to sell this new generation the way mobile phones are sold.
So finance over two years plus access to services like Microsoft gamepass.