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AMD Announces Ryzen Mobile With Vega Graphics
AMD just announced the first two Ryzen Mobile processors with Vega graphics. AMD is going rather hardcore with the release of their Ryzen 5 2500U and Ryzen 7 2700U quad-core processors.
AMD has been readying two major notebook processors release that should be very competitive with Intel for the first time in nearly a decade. Codenamed “Raven Ridge,” it was built based on the same successful Zen architecture first released to the consumer PC market as Ryzen earlier this year. AMD’s Ryzen chips for desktops lack integrated graphics, but new Ryzen Mobile chips have both CPU and GPU features in a single package.
The first products embedded with one of these two (let’s call them APUs) will be in Q4 in the Holiday 2017 season. The energy-friendly procs will offer a truckload of performance in both the CPU and embedded GPU segment. Both SKUs will be based on a quad-core processor with 8 threads (SMT).
- Ryzen 5 2500U – 4 cores / 8 threads with a 2.0 GHz base frequency and boost allowance to 3.6 GHz. This SKU has 8 CUs and thus 512 shader processors based on Vega architecture. The GPU runs up-to 1100 MHz.
- Ryzen 7 2700U – 4 cores / 8 threads with a 2.2 GHz base frequency and boost allowance to 3.8 GHz. This SKU has 10 CUs and thus 640 shader processors based on Vega architecture. The GPU runs up-to 1300 MHz
If you look at the die shot, the graphics segment of the die is fairly huge, you may expect pretty nice performance there for a mobile part. The CPU and GPU are interconnected through AMD's Infinity Fabric high-speed IO interface.
The processor part is based on a 64K instruction, a 32K data cache (L1). The L2 cache is 512K per core and then there is a 4MB shared L3 cache. The TDP for the new mobile parts is configurable in a 9W to a 25W range, with 15 Watt being the nominal TDP. The mobile processors can be paired with DDR4-2400 MHz memory configured in dual-channel mode.
Below an overview of some of the more interesting slides from the AMD media slide-deck (download).
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#5485739 Posted on: 10/26/2017 02:19 PM
These could sell very good for them if priced right,and looking at the gaming performance not bad at all you can have a Decent gaming machine for really cheep.I would price them in the $135-$150 range they would sell like hot-cakes in my opinion.You pay for the cpu and get the -igpu for free basicly ( I think ) that's the way the old apu's were described.
These could sell very good for them if priced right,and looking at the gaming performance not bad at all you can have a Decent gaming machine for really cheep.I would price them in the $135-$150 range they would sell like hot-cakes in my opinion.You pay for the cpu and get the -igpu for free basicly ( I think ) that's the way the old apu's were described.
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#5485747 Posted on: 10/26/2017 02:27 PM
That looks even better than what the leaks were suggesting ie: TDP of 35W
For them to put that much power in that kind TDP looks great,definitely Intel has another front to be concerned about.
It says also a lot about GloFo process,namely that is optimized for low power.That is probably effect of them buying/co-developing 14nm node with Samsung.We see same effect of that node in Ryzen and VEGA, ryzen is great in TDP segment but want go over 4GHz unless you apply high voltages,and VEGA with it's high consumption probably AMD set to high clocks.
That looks even better than what the leaks were suggesting ie: TDP of 35W
For them to put that much power in that kind TDP looks great,definitely Intel has another front to be concerned about.
It says also a lot about GloFo process,namely that is optimized for low power.That is probably effect of them buying/co-developing 14nm node with Samsung.We see same effect of that node in Ryzen and VEGA, ryzen is great in TDP segment but want go over 4GHz unless you apply high voltages,and VEGA with it's high consumption probably AMD set to high clocks.
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#5485748 Posted on: 10/26/2017 02:27 PM
And with 8GB DDR4 limit. This is really GREAT!... Whops did I violate any NDA? I do not care at all.
And with 8GB DDR4 limit. This is really GREAT!... Whops did I violate any NDA? I do not care at all.
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#5485757 Posted on: 10/26/2017 02:41 PM
AMD being AMD this will be the same die as the Desktop APUs. I *think* there's supposed to be 11 GPU CUs on there, so 704 cores total? I guess we'll have to wait and see. Otherwise, these look quite promising.
AMD being AMD this will be the same die as the Desktop APUs. I *think* there's supposed to be 11 GPU CUs on there, so 704 cores total? I guess we'll have to wait and see. Otherwise, these look quite promising.
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#5485759 Posted on: 10/26/2017 02:43 PM
Where did they saw that 8GB limit,i just skimmed through slides and saw just mention of supported DDR4 freq. Weird
And with 8GB DDR4 limit. This is really GREAT!... Whops did I violate any NDA? I do not care at all.
Where did they saw that 8GB limit,i just skimmed through slides and saw just mention of supported DDR4 freq. Weird
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#5485762 Posted on: 10/26/2017 02:54 PM
This...
Where did they saw that 8GB limit,i just skimmed through slides and saw just mention of supported DDR4 freq. Weird
This...
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#5485765 Posted on: 10/26/2017 02:57 PM
I'd rather wait for the Ryzen 3s. I want the best performance-per-watt and I don't care about graphics performance all that much. My i3 Haswell laptop still handles my workload without a sweat; the main reason I want to replace the laptop is because of pretty much everything that doesn't have to do with its performance (the battery life, keyboard, trackpad, chassis, display, speakers, USB ports, etc). I'm even willing to use ARM, but there aren't any decent Tegra or Snapdragon laptops out there.
I'd rather wait for the Ryzen 3s. I want the best performance-per-watt and I don't care about graphics performance all that much. My i3 Haswell laptop still handles my workload without a sweat; the main reason I want to replace the laptop is because of pretty much everything that doesn't have to do with its performance (the battery life, keyboard, trackpad, chassis, display, speakers, USB ports, etc). I'm even willing to use ARM, but there aren't any decent Tegra or Snapdragon laptops out there.
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#5485766 Posted on: 10/26/2017 03:00 PM
Unpublicized docs, not those slides available on the wild ... I really hope that's a PR mistake (that's would not the first time PR write stupid things on cards), it would not make sense to limit to 8GB anything about cheap chromebook rivals... But this would explain why I am not aware of any Ryzen mobile using 2*8 GB RAM or more devices but only device with 2*4GB or even worst 1*8GB (yeah single channel!) soldered on PCB (even my "old" Surface Pro 3 use 2*4GB ULP sticks allowing dual channel).
Where did they saw that 8GB limit,i just skimmed through slides and saw just mention of supported DDR4 freq. Weird
Unpublicized docs, not those slides available on the wild ... I really hope that's a PR mistake (that's would not the first time PR write stupid things on cards), it would not make sense to limit to 8GB anything about cheap chromebook rivals... But this would explain why I am not aware of any Ryzen mobile using 2*8 GB RAM or more devices but only device with 2*4GB or even worst 1*8GB (yeah single channel!) soldered on PCB (even my "old" Surface Pro 3 use 2*4GB ULP sticks allowing dual channel).
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#5485769 Posted on: 10/26/2017 03:04 PM
At least its dual channel memory.
Its also not the same die as the desktop chip, as it has half the L3 cache.
it a new version of the CCX, with only 4MB of the L3 instead of 8MB.
Turbo's and clock gating have been improved also.
At least its dual channel memory.
Its also not the same die as the desktop chip, as it has half the L3 cache.
it a new version of the CCX, with only 4MB of the L3 instead of 8MB.
Turbo's and clock gating have been improved also.
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#5485770 Posted on: 10/26/2017 03:05 PM
At least its dual channel memory.
Its also not the same die as the desktop chip, as it has half the L3 cache.
it a new version of the CCX, with only 4MB of the L3 instead of 8MB.
Turbo's and clock gating have been improved also.
Unfortunately I am aware more then one OEM choosing 1*8GB single channel only configurations... And mostly of them are not "upgradable".
At least its dual channel memory.
Its also not the same die as the desktop chip, as it has half the L3 cache.
it a new version of the CCX, with only 4MB of the L3 instead of 8MB.
Turbo's and clock gating have been improved also.
Unfortunately I am aware more then one OEM choosing 1*8GB single channel only configurations... And mostly of them are not "upgradable".
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#5485771 Posted on: 10/26/2017 03:06 PM
In the news article itself, it states:
"The mobile processors can be paired with DDR4-2400 MHz (max 8GB) memory configured in dual-channel mode."
However, i'm not entirely sure this states 8GB max per stick, or 8GB max per system. If per system, that is a bit odd.
Where did they saw that 8GB limit,i just skimmed through slides and saw just mention of supported DDR4 freq. Weird
This...
In the news article itself, it states:
"The mobile processors can be paired with DDR4-2400 MHz (max 8GB) memory configured in dual-channel mode."
However, i'm not entirely sure this states 8GB max per stick, or 8GB max per system. If per system, that is a bit odd.
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#5485773 Posted on: 10/26/2017 03:07 PM
There are 11CU's, but one disabled for yields, so finally only 10 (or
active.
the die has only 4MB of L3, so its not entirely the same as the Desktop CCX.
I'm more interested in the Memory controllers and the Display controllers being on the other side of the Infinity Fabric.
That would enable a hypotheical multi-chip GPU, with the Display controller behind the IF (but still on-chip).
AMD being AMD this will be the same die as the Desktop APUs. I *think* there's supposed to be 11 GPU CUs on there, so 704 cores total? I guess we'll have to wait and see. Otherwise, these look quite promising.
There are 11CU's, but one disabled for yields, so finally only 10 (or
active.the die has only 4MB of L3, so its not entirely the same as the Desktop CCX.
I'm more interested in the Memory controllers and the Display controllers being on the other side of the Infinity Fabric.
That would enable a hypotheical multi-chip GPU, with the Display controller behind the IF (but still on-chip).
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#5485777 Posted on: 10/26/2017 03:11 PM
Unfortunately I am aware more then one OEM choosing 1*8GB single channel only configurations... And mostly of them are not "upgradable".
That would be the usual big boys, who have been pressured by Intel to not release anything good for AMD, or they will jack up the chipset prices (ie : no kickbacks).
They are bastards to cripple chips like that....like they did with the previous APU's and only a single memory channel active.
In the news article itself, it states:
"The mobile processors can be paired with DDR4-2400 MHz (max 8GB) memory configured in dual-channel mode."
However, i'm not entirely sure this states 8GB max per stick, or 8GB max per system. If per system, that is a bit odd.
Its more likely to be Max of 8GB per stick, or a Single Rank memory SO-DIMM, which prob doesn't come in 16GB variants (yet).
edit: yes they do. Kingston, at least, has a single rank 16GB So-DIMM of ValueRAM.
Unfortunately I am aware more then one OEM choosing 1*8GB single channel only configurations... And mostly of them are not "upgradable".
That would be the usual big boys, who have been pressured by Intel to not release anything good for AMD, or they will jack up the chipset prices (ie : no kickbacks).
They are bastards to cripple chips like that....like they did with the previous APU's and only a single memory channel active.
In the news article itself, it states:
"The mobile processors can be paired with DDR4-2400 MHz (max 8GB) memory configured in dual-channel mode."
However, i'm not entirely sure this states 8GB max per stick, or 8GB max per system. If per system, that is a bit odd.
Its more likely to be Max of 8GB per stick, or a Single Rank memory SO-DIMM, which prob doesn't come in 16GB variants (yet).
edit: yes they do. Kingston, at least, has a single rank 16GB So-DIMM of ValueRAM.
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#5485780 Posted on: 10/26/2017 03:13 PM
In the news article itself, it states:
"The mobile processors can be paired with DDR4-2400 MHz (max 8GB) memory configured in dual-channel mode."
However, i'm not entirely sure this states 8GB max per stick, or 8GB max per system. If per system, that is a bit odd.
No,i saw that in article,i was just wondering from where did Hilbert (presumably author and writer of article) pull that number,because in accompanying slides (from AMD presumably) just states DDR4 freq. and it says nothing about memory capacity.
In the news article itself, it states:
"The mobile processors can be paired with DDR4-2400 MHz (max 8GB) memory configured in dual-channel mode."
However, i'm not entirely sure this states 8GB max per stick, or 8GB max per system. If per system, that is a bit odd.
No,i saw that in article,i was just wondering from where did Hilbert (presumably author and writer of article) pull that number,because in accompanying slides (from AMD presumably) just states DDR4 freq. and it says nothing about memory capacity.
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These look great. They need to have good hardware to go along with them though. No single channel memory crap etc....