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AMD Adrenalin Driver Has Issues With Older DX9 Games
Last month AMD moved their driver suite upwards towards the new Adrenalin drivers which offer some really nice new features and updates. However the new drivers triggered issues with older DX9 games, it seems.
The new Adrenalin drivers seem to cause issues with a handful of 10-year old games running on the older DirectX 9 API and a growing number of people are complaining about the fact that AMD hasn't done and isn't doing anything to address the issues.
Example of a users reporting an issue:
The Witcher: Enhanced Edition does not start with 17.12.1!
The problem started after the release of the new driver.
The Steam version does not work for me. Another person does not start a GOG version, and he claims that all the previous drivers (17.11.4) are doing fine!
Some of the games affected are, crashing at startup:
- C&C3 Tiberium Wars
- C&C3 Kane's Wrath
- C&C Red Alert 3
- C&C Red Alert 3 Upising
- C&C4 Tiberian Twilight
- Battle for Middle Earth 1-2
- Witcher Enhanced Edition
Some AMD Radeon users who experienced their issues took it all to Reddit, Somebody from AMD responded on its official support forums that it is "unlikely to devote any valuable engineering resources to this issue."
Thanks SH SOTN for the news submit.
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#5506023 Posted on: 01/01/2018 01:12 PM
The AMD customer support in his official forums (via his own reps) is impressive.
The exact first post from AMD rep on that thread is:
https://community.amd.com/message/2839053#comment-2839053
100% BS proved simply by November 2017 AMD GPU drivers use (or any older than december 2017 drivers)...and Nvidia GPU gamers. LOL
His second and closing thread reply was:
CASE CLOSED!
Somebody from AMD responded on its official support forums that it is "unlikely to devote any valuable engineering resources to this issue."
The AMD customer support in his official forums (via his own reps) is impressive.
The exact first post from AMD rep on that thread is:
This title is from 2007, so we are unlikely to devote any valuable engineering resources to this issue, which is most likely caused by outdated API modules.
https://community.amd.com/message/2839053#comment-2839053
100% BS proved simply by November 2017 AMD GPU drivers use (or any older than december 2017 drivers)...and Nvidia GPU gamers. LOL
His second and closing thread reply was:
Your feedback is appreciated.
there is nothing more to add to this thread so it’s locked.
there is nothing more to add to this thread so it’s locked.
CASE CLOSED!
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#5506025 Posted on: 01/01/2018 01:26 PM
That explains why I couldn't start some older DX9 JRPG's within my Steam list. 17.11.4 works fine running Reccetear and TW1:EE, 17.12.2 not even starting. So I must be happy also having a green card in my system in order to run DX9 titles.
That explains why I couldn't start some older DX9 JRPG's within my Steam list. 17.11.4 works fine running Reccetear and TW1:EE, 17.12.2 not even starting. So I must be happy also having a green card in my system in order to run DX9 titles.
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#5506031 Posted on: 01/01/2018 01:48 PM
Paying Premium for Nvidia pays off =]
Paying Premium for Nvidia pays off =]
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#5506038 Posted on: 01/01/2018 02:19 PM
This is one of the reasons why I'm going green when Volta arrives.
This is one of the reasons why I'm going green when Volta arrives.
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#5506039 Posted on: 01/01/2018 02:23 PM
What!? I can't play one of my all time favorite like witcher EE? screw AMD! with what excuse they force stopping us play games they can't optimize in their trash driver ecosystem!?
Well that was the end even if fanboys like Agonist and others telling me I am a green faggot. I have paid all 3 witcher games TWICE steam and non steam because I love the series. Now I am unable to play the first one. This is the end for me they can shut down.
My next PC is gonna be intel and nvidia powered. AMD is not authorized to be called a part of PC master race. I ban and cast them into oblivion. They are nonprofessionals with attitude.
What!? I can't play one of my all time favorite like witcher EE? screw AMD! with what excuse they force stopping us play games they can't optimize in their trash driver ecosystem!?
Well that was the end even if fanboys like Agonist and others telling me I am a green faggot. I have paid all 3 witcher games TWICE steam and non steam because I love the series. Now I am unable to play the first one. This is the end for me they can shut down.
My next PC is gonna be intel and nvidia powered. AMD is not authorized to be called a part of PC master race. I ban and cast them into oblivion. They are nonprofessionals with attitude.
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#5506044 Posted on: 01/01/2018 02:36 PM
just about GOG that doesn't start:
it work fine with latest version of GOG Galaxy, older doesn't work.
Tested on a I3+H81+RX480+latest AMD driver
Downloaded latest GOG Galaxy solve it.
For the game i don't know.
just about GOG that doesn't start:
it work fine with latest version of GOG Galaxy, older doesn't work.
Tested on a I3+H81+RX480+latest AMD driver
Downloaded latest GOG Galaxy solve it.
For the game i don't know.
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#5506046 Posted on: 01/01/2018 02:46 PM
I wonder if you can drop an older .dll file in the exe folder and make it work.
I wonder if you can drop an older .dll file in the exe folder and make it work.
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#5506057 Posted on: 01/01/2018 03:17 PM
AMD Software support is a joke.
AMD needs to get out of the consumer GPU market since all they care about is embedded stuff.
Actually AMD needs to sell off Radeon to someone who can afford to hire some real software people.
AMD Software support is a joke.
AMD needs to get out of the consumer GPU market since all they care about is embedded stuff.
Actually AMD needs to sell off Radeon to someone who can afford to hire some real software people.
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#5506058 Posted on: 01/01/2018 03:21 PM
AMD Software support is a joke.
AMD needs to get out of the consumer GPU market since all they care about is embedded stuff.
Actually AMD needs to sell off Radeon to someone who can afford to hire some real software people.
You forgot mining. They even rebranded Vega FE as a mining card. AMD is only for APU and mining. Their gaming and HTPC era is over.
AMD Software support is a joke.
AMD needs to get out of the consumer GPU market since all they care about is embedded stuff.
Actually AMD needs to sell off Radeon to someone who can afford to hire some real software people.
You forgot mining. They even rebranded Vega FE as a mining card. AMD is only for APU and mining. Their gaming and HTPC era is over.
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#5506062 Posted on: 01/01/2018 03:49 PM
just about GOG that doesn't start:
it work fine with latest version of GOG Galaxy, older doesn't work.
Tested on a I3+H81+RX480+latest AMD driver
Downloaded latest GOG Galaxy solve it.
For the game i don't know.
Thanks for the info!
GOG connect program adds some games you own on Steam to your GOG Galaxy account, TW1 and TW2 are included.
So anybody owning TW1 on Steam can play it on GOG fine even using latest AMD GPU drivers simply "connecting" his Steam account with his GOG Galaxy account without buying the game again.
just about GOG that doesn't start:
it work fine with latest version of GOG Galaxy, older doesn't work.
Tested on a I3+H81+RX480+latest AMD driver
Downloaded latest GOG Galaxy solve it.
For the game i don't know.
Thanks for the info!
GOG connect program adds some games you own on Steam to your GOG Galaxy account, TW1 and TW2 are included.
So anybody owning TW1 on Steam can play it on GOG fine even using latest AMD GPU drivers simply "connecting" his Steam account with his GOG Galaxy account without buying the game again.
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#5506073 Posted on: 01/01/2018 04:34 PM
The list of games is growing btw.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/7ncr3y/regarding-amd-and-the-lack-of-directx-9-support-a/
The list of games is growing btw.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/7ncr3y/regarding-amd-and-the-lack-of-directx-9-support-a/
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#5506078 Posted on: 01/01/2018 04:50 PM
The list of games is growing btw.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/7ncr3y/regarding-amd-and-the-lack-of-directx-9-support-a/
In the end AMD is gonna force PC users buying XB1X/PS4 pro and use PC only for mining. Who plays dx9/10/11 games anyway? DX12/Vulkan is their asset they'll tell ya.
The list of games is growing btw.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/7ncr3y/regarding-amd-and-the-lack-of-directx-9-support-a/
In the end AMD is gonna force PC users buying XB1X/PS4 pro and use PC only for mining. Who plays dx9/10/11 games anyway? DX12/Vulkan is their asset they'll tell ya.
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#5506085 Posted on: 01/01/2018 05:04 PM
In the end AMD is gonna force PC users buying XB1X/PS4 pro and use PC only for mining. Who plays dx9/10/11 games anyway? DX12/Vulkan is their asset they'll tell ya.
I mean... i dont know about anyone else but i quite often play older games that i enjoyed when i was younger to experience it all again.
AMD Software support is a joke.
AMD needs to get out of the consumer GPU market since all they care about is embedded stuff.
Actually AMD needs to sell off Radeon to someone who can afford to hire some real software people.
Who would be able to buy something like that off? Apple? Samsung maybe... only a few companies in the world could have the money and investment to want to deal with competition from Intel and Nvidia.
Not to mention looking at the new Steam stats today, AMD are doing terrible in the eastern world, maybe doing better in the west, but over there in a much bigger market they are getting destroyed.
In the end AMD is gonna force PC users buying XB1X/PS4 pro and use PC only for mining. Who plays dx9/10/11 games anyway? DX12/Vulkan is their asset they'll tell ya.
I mean... i dont know about anyone else but i quite often play older games that i enjoyed when i was younger to experience it all again.
AMD Software support is a joke.
AMD needs to get out of the consumer GPU market since all they care about is embedded stuff.
Actually AMD needs to sell off Radeon to someone who can afford to hire some real software people.
Who would be able to buy something like that off? Apple? Samsung maybe... only a few companies in the world could have the money and investment to want to deal with competition from Intel and Nvidia.
Not to mention looking at the new Steam stats today, AMD are doing terrible in the eastern world, maybe doing better in the west, but over there in a much bigger market they are getting destroyed.
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#5506088 Posted on: 01/01/2018 05:14 PM
@Ricepudding Exactly. Many of us quite often play beloved and favorite games of our past. Nowadays with stronger systems we can play them once again further improved. That's called a gamer. Pure one, not seasonal. Seasonal gamers are those who only play each year's games only and they are minority. Each software and/or hardware company should respect our money. We have paid these old games sometime in the past, we own them.
AMD is losing marketshare with their mistakes. Some friends of mine went green, I stay red and I regret it day by day. It is not about who is the cheapest or fastest. It is also about customer/product support. Nvidia/Intel are both superior to AMD in every aspect. Performance and customer satisfaction. If you carefully make a research, users once bought AMD almost never bought again anything related. They have returned to blue/green camp.
@Ricepudding Exactly. Many of us quite often play beloved and favorite games of our past. Nowadays with stronger systems we can play them once again further improved. That's called a gamer. Pure one, not seasonal. Seasonal gamers are those who only play each year's games only and they are minority. Each software and/or hardware company should respect our money. We have paid these old games sometime in the past, we own them.
AMD is losing marketshare with their mistakes. Some friends of mine went green, I stay red and I regret it day by day. It is not about who is the cheapest or fastest. It is also about customer/product support. Nvidia/Intel are both superior to AMD in every aspect. Performance and customer satisfaction. If you carefully make a research, users once bought AMD almost never bought again anything related. They have returned to blue/green camp.
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Example of a users reporting an issue:
The Witcher: Enhanced Edition does not start with 17.12.1!
The problem started after the release of the new driver.
The Steam version does not work for me. Another person does not start a GOG version, and he claims that all the previous drivers (17.11.4) are doing fine!
Some of the games affected are, crashing at startup:
C&C3 Tiberium Wars
C&C3 Kane's Wrath
C&C Red Alert 3
C&C Red Alert 3 Upising
C&C4 Tiberian Twilight
Battle for Middle Earth 1-2
Witcher Enhanced Edition
Some AMD Radeon users who experienced their issues took it all to Reddit, Somebody from AMD responded on its official support forums that it is "unlikely to devote any valuable engineering resources to this issue."
17.12.2 too.
So we are supposed to believe AMD GPUs performance is better as they get older due to driver improvement and then AMD drop support for older games in these same improved drivers?
"Good" job AMD, your driver team makes Nvidia PR easier:
"Buy 2018 AMD GPUs to play 2020 games "better" than using 2018 Nvidia GPUs but forget about...2018 and previous games!"
BTW I tried to launch TW1 enhanced edition in Windows 10 updated (OS and drivers) with AMD driver 17.12.2:
And the result is...: