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AMD Adds Ryzen 2400GE and Ryzen 3 2200GE (35W) to APU Lineup
It hasn't been more than a few weeks that we heard about some Ryzen 3 2200GE and Ryzen 5 2400GE APUs being listed in a compatibility listing for motherboards. AMD now has added these to its product pages, the GE models will be 35 Watt (TDP) based APUs.
And at such TDPs that makes the two APUs more energy friendly models. The Ryzen 3 2200GE has been fitted with 4 cores that run at a 3.2 GHz base frequency, which may boost towards 3.6 GHz. This unit has 4 MB of L3 cache and 8 Vega GPU cores running at 1100 MHz. This processor has no SMT and thus has four threads.
The Ryzen 5 2400GE, however, has SMT enabled and thus gets eight-threads available. This four core unit 4 cores also can boost a notch higher towards 3.8 GHz. The IGP is a bit more feisty as well, having 11 Vega cores running at 1250 MHz.
| APU | Core/Thread | Base / Turbo | IGP | IGP Freq | TDP |
| Ryzen 3 2200GE | 4/4 | 3.2 / 3.6 GHz | Vega 8 | 1100 MHz | 35W |
| Ryzen 3 2200G | 4/4 | 3.5 / 3.7 GHz | Vega 8 | 1100 MHz | 65W |
| Ryzen 5 2400GE | 4/8 | 3.2 / 3.8 GHz | Vega 11 | 1250 MHz | 35W |
| Ryzen 5 2400G | 4/8 |
3.6 / 3.9 GHz |
Vega 11 | 1250 MHz | 65W |
The TDP of both processors is 35 watts, we're not sure if the TDP will be configurable at BIOS level. While AMD is listing the new low power APUs on its website, it's unknown when they actually will become available. These APUs might be a terrific solution for a simple Internet PC, HTPC or even small NAS server.
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#5539810 Posted on: 04/22/2018 02:11 PM
Speaking of AMD APU's. Is there a review of one of the Hades Canyon NUC's in your work pile? Or is Intel still being a moody teenage shut-in and not talking or sharing with anyone in Europe?
Speaking of AMD APU's. Is there a review of one of the Hades Canyon NUC's in your work pile? Or is Intel still being a moody teenage shut-in and not talking or sharing with anyone in Europe?
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#5539822 Posted on: 04/22/2018 03:34 PM
Perfect HTPCCPUs
Perfect HTPCCPUs
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#5539824 Posted on: 04/22/2018 03:57 PM
For us, nothing has changed. Intel is not speaking with Nordic countries and some others.
Speaking of AMD APU's. Is there a review of one of the Hades Canyon NUC's in your work pile? Or is Intel still being a moody teenage shut-in and not talking or sharing with anyone in Europe?
For us, nothing has changed. Intel is not speaking with Nordic countries and some others.
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#5539840 Posted on: 04/22/2018 05:09 PM
This 35w APU could be used in some very interesting builds.
I wonder if its overclockable
This 35w APU could be used in some very interesting builds.
I wonder if its overclockable
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#5539861 Posted on: 04/22/2018 07:13 PM
Intel with north and AMD sending 99% of the european CPU to France and Germany...
It will take long time to replace my HTPC (and those Rizen would perfect fit passive cooler).
For us, nothing has changed. Intel is not speaking with Nordic countries and some others.
Intel with north and AMD sending 99% of the european CPU to France and Germany...
It will take long time to replace my HTPC (and those Rizen would perfect fit passive cooler).
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#5539879 Posted on: 04/22/2018 08:06 PM
When they got room for model numbers, i don't understand why they do this. Instead of being:
2400G
2400GE
2200G
2200GE
It could have been:
2400G
2300G(or GE)
2200G
2100G(or GE)
It'd make more sense from a consumer point of view
When they got room for model numbers, i don't understand why they do this. Instead of being:
2400G
2400GE
2200G
2200GE
It could have been:
2400G
2300G(or GE)
2200G
2100G(or GE)
It'd make more sense from a consumer point of view
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#5539888 Posted on: 04/22/2018 08:50 PM
When they got room for model numbers, i don't understand why they do this. Instead of being:
2400G
2400GE
2200G
2200GE
It could have been:
2400G
2300G(or GE)
2200G
2100G(or GE)
It'd make more sense from a consumer point of view
You propose that AMD should follow intel's naming. Intel loves to take one chip and put it in multiple series based on clock and power consumption, that's really counter intuitive.
On other hand, 2200 and its variants are 4C/4T + 8Vega nCUs. 2400 and its variants are 4C/8T + 11Vega nCUs. Same applies to 2600, 2700, ...
"G" stands for GFX/GPU. "E" maybe efficiency? Dunno, but name is OK as whole.
When they got room for model numbers, i don't understand why they do this. Instead of being:
2400G
2400GE
2200G
2200GE
It could have been:
2400G
2300G(or GE)
2200G
2100G(or GE)
It'd make more sense from a consumer point of view
You propose that AMD should follow intel's naming. Intel loves to take one chip and put it in multiple series based on clock and power consumption, that's really counter intuitive.
On other hand, 2200 and its variants are 4C/4T + 8Vega nCUs. 2400 and its variants are 4C/8T + 11Vega nCUs. Same applies to 2600, 2700, ...
"G" stands for GFX/GPU. "E" maybe efficiency? Dunno, but name is OK as whole.
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#5539894 Posted on: 04/22/2018 09:05 PM
This is what I was waiting for, I will upgrade my HTPC as soon as I can buy one. I pretty much decided on the 2400GE. Still, I want more ITX motherboards available, and one with latest HDMI/DisplayPort version.
This is what I was waiting for, I will upgrade my HTPC as soon as I can buy one. I pretty much decided on the 2400GE. Still, I want more ITX motherboards available, and one with latest HDMI/DisplayPort version.
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#5539907 Posted on: 04/22/2018 11:11 PM
You propose that AMD should follow intel's naming. Intel loves to take one chip and put it in multiple series based on clock and power consumption, that's really counter intuitive.
Nothing counter-intuitive about not confusing customers.
"G" stands for GFX/GPU. "E" maybe efficiency? Dunno, but name is OK as whole.
the fact that you have to say "maybe" in that is exactly why people that are not us, are most definitely going to be confused. Someone who looks up a 2200g in performance and has been recommended it for their workload, will not be expecting to get the lower performance of the 2200ge, and will not know there is a difference.
If you have ever worked retail, you'd definitely know this.
You propose that AMD should follow intel's naming. Intel loves to take one chip and put it in multiple series based on clock and power consumption, that's really counter intuitive.
Nothing counter-intuitive about not confusing customers.
"G" stands for GFX/GPU. "E" maybe efficiency? Dunno, but name is OK as whole.
the fact that you have to say "maybe" in that is exactly why people that are not us, are most definitely going to be confused. Someone who looks up a 2200g in performance and has been recommended it for their workload, will not be expecting to get the lower performance of the 2200ge, and will not know there is a difference.
If you have ever worked retail, you'd definitely know this.
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#5539911 Posted on: 04/22/2018 11:40 PM
When they got room for model numbers, i don't understand why they do this. Instead of being:
2400G
2400GE
2200G
2200GE
It could have been:
2400G
2300G(or GE)
2200G
2100G(or GE)
It'd make more sense from a consumer point of view
Considering how these GE models are barely slower than the non-E counterparts, I think it'd be a little weird to have quad cores in so many performance tiers. Honestly, I don't really understand the point of these GE models anyway. The only thing that's especially different about them are the base clocks. Seeing as these CPUs all overclock to roughly the same amount anyway, I don't see why they couldn't have just made 1 single model with the GE base clocks but the G XFR speeds. XFR only kicks in when it can, so the TDP would technically remain 35W. Come to think of it... it'd be real nice if AMD and Intel would release base clock TDPs and boosted TDPs.
Their whole naming scheme is wonky up once you get below 2600, especially if you compare to last year's products and account for this generation's mobile products (the 2700U for example is 4c/8t). Here's how I feel the product lineup should be:
2500(X?) - 6c/6t, no GPU, 3.4GHz base, 4.1GHz XFR.
2500G - 4c/8t, Vega 11, 3.2GHz base, 3.9GHz XFR.
2400(X?) - 4c/8t, no GPU, 3.4Ghz base, 4.1GHz XFR.
2400G - 4c/4t, Vega 8, 3.2GHz base, 3.8GHz XFR.
2300G - 2c/4t, Vega 5, 3.0GHz base, 3.7GHz XFR. Ideal for laptops, HD HTPCs, or passively cooled ITX builds.
2200U - 2c/4t, Vega 5, 2.8GHz base, 3.6GHz XFR. Only used in ultrabooks and tablets.
2100U - 1c/2t, Vega 2, 2.0GHz. Ideal for phones, robots, or IoT devices.
So, I don't think a 2300(X), 2200(G or X), or 2100(G or X) should exist.
When they got room for model numbers, i don't understand why they do this. Instead of being:
2400G
2400GE
2200G
2200GE
It could have been:
2400G
2300G(or GE)
2200G
2100G(or GE)
It'd make more sense from a consumer point of view
Considering how these GE models are barely slower than the non-E counterparts, I think it'd be a little weird to have quad cores in so many performance tiers. Honestly, I don't really understand the point of these GE models anyway. The only thing that's especially different about them are the base clocks. Seeing as these CPUs all overclock to roughly the same amount anyway, I don't see why they couldn't have just made 1 single model with the GE base clocks but the G XFR speeds. XFR only kicks in when it can, so the TDP would technically remain 35W. Come to think of it... it'd be real nice if AMD and Intel would release base clock TDPs and boosted TDPs.
Their whole naming scheme is wonky up once you get below 2600, especially if you compare to last year's products and account for this generation's mobile products (the 2700U for example is 4c/8t). Here's how I feel the product lineup should be:
2500(X?) - 6c/6t, no GPU, 3.4GHz base, 4.1GHz XFR.
2500G - 4c/8t, Vega 11, 3.2GHz base, 3.9GHz XFR.
2400(X?) - 4c/8t, no GPU, 3.4Ghz base, 4.1GHz XFR.
2400G - 4c/4t, Vega 8, 3.2GHz base, 3.8GHz XFR.
2300G - 2c/4t, Vega 5, 3.0GHz base, 3.7GHz XFR. Ideal for laptops, HD HTPCs, or passively cooled ITX builds.
2200U - 2c/4t, Vega 5, 2.8GHz base, 3.6GHz XFR. Only used in ultrabooks and tablets.
2100U - 1c/2t, Vega 2, 2.0GHz. Ideal for phones, robots, or IoT devices.
So, I don't think a 2300(X), 2200(G or X), or 2100(G or X) should exist.
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#5539941 Posted on: 04/23/2018 04:18 AM
When they got room for model numbers, i don't understand why they do this. Instead of being:
2400G
2400GE
2200G
2200GE
It could have been:
2400G
2300G(or GE)
2200G
2100G(or GE)
It'd make more sense from a consumer point of view
not so because AMD Efficient have E at the end since quite a bit now...
so it's a 2400G(with graphic) "E"
same as intel with "S" ot "T" at the end...
When they got room for model numbers, i don't understand why they do this. Instead of being:
2400G
2400GE
2200G
2200GE
It could have been:
2400G
2300G(or GE)
2200G
2100G(or GE)
It'd make more sense from a consumer point of view
not so because AMD Efficient have E at the end since quite a bit now...
so it's a 2400G(with graphic) "E"
same as intel with "S" ot "T" at the end...
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#5540028 Posted on: 04/23/2018 01:10 PM
not so because AMD Efficient have E at the end since quite a bit now...
so it's a 2400G(with graphic) "E"
same as intel with "S" ot "T" at the end...
You must not ever work retail either.
Again, WE, people who are likely to use these forums, will understand this.
WE, are not the 99%.
not so because AMD Efficient have E at the end since quite a bit now...
so it's a 2400G(with graphic) "E"
same as intel with "S" ot "T" at the end...
You must not ever work retail either.
Again, WE, people who are likely to use these forums, will understand this.
WE, are not the 99%.
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#5540071 Posted on: 04/23/2018 02:55 PM
Again, WE, people who are likely to use these forums, will understand this.
WE, are not the 99%.
True, but we are also the vast majority of those who buy these CPUs in the first place. For everyone else who doesn't build a pre-made PC, most of them have no clue what it is they're looking for or what they have. I've known TWO old women with Crossfire-equipped gaming PCs, and all they do is read the news, email, and play solitaire. I knew a guy who wanted to upgrade to an i7 "because it's Intel" even though his old Pentium 4 was only starting to showing signs of struggling. I was given a fully functional laptop with an i5 in it because it didn't run like new anymore; this laptop was replaced by another one with an i3 in it.
People don't know what they're looking for and they don't care. They just want something that works. That being said, it wouldn't surprise me if the product names are intentionally designed the way they are to confuse people who "kind of care" into buying something more expensive. When some people see the 2200GE, they'll think "wow this is really toward the bottom of the lineup, I'm not sure if this will actually be an upgrade, so I'll get the 2400G" even though the 2400G could be overkill.
Again, WE, people who are likely to use these forums, will understand this.
WE, are not the 99%.
True, but we are also the vast majority of those who buy these CPUs in the first place. For everyone else who doesn't build a pre-made PC, most of them have no clue what it is they're looking for or what they have. I've known TWO old women with Crossfire-equipped gaming PCs, and all they do is read the news, email, and play solitaire. I knew a guy who wanted to upgrade to an i7 "because it's Intel" even though his old Pentium 4 was only starting to showing signs of struggling. I was given a fully functional laptop with an i5 in it because it didn't run like new anymore; this laptop was replaced by another one with an i3 in it.
People don't know what they're looking for and they don't care. They just want something that works. That being said, it wouldn't surprise me if the product names are intentionally designed the way they are to confuse people who "kind of care" into buying something more expensive. When some people see the 2200GE, they'll think "wow this is really toward the bottom of the lineup, I'm not sure if this will actually be an upgrade, so I'll get the 2400G" even though the 2400G could be overkill.
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#5540096 Posted on: 04/23/2018 03:53 PM
My only question is can those be cooled with passive low profile coolers and if yes, how well? Perhaps HH can test that once he gets his hands on those.
My only question is can those be cooled with passive low profile coolers and if yes, how well? Perhaps HH can test that once he gets his hands on those.
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I could be nice with Mini ITX board with DC power power connector.