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Alder Lake desktop processors use die size differ, has an effect on cooling
MSI revealed that there are two varieties of the desktop Alder Lake versions: a chip with up to 8 P-cores and 8 E-cores (for a total of 24 threads), followed by a lesser brother with up to 6 P-cores and no E cores (12 threads). The larger of the two has a surface area of 215 square millimeters, while the smaller one has a surface area of 163 millimeters.
A comparison of these two chips reveals that the hotspots are located in different areas on each chip, which can result in cooling concerns. Intel announced the release of its twelfth-generation desktop processors earlier this week. The Alder Lake-S SKUs, which have been unveiled, combine powerful Golden Cove cores with energy-efficient Gracemont cores, which should result in lower power usage, according to the company. The ratio of P-cores to E-cores changes depending on the specific model, and chips containing just P-cores will be added later on in the development cycle.
The size perf and zero energy die are not used with the i9-12900K(F), i7-12700K(F), and i5-12600K(F) processors because these processors are equipped with the more cost-effective Gracemont cores. Intel is anticipated to unveil the first processors that make use of the smaller chip early next year, including the i3 and Pentium variants, according to industry sources.
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#5960096 Posted on: 10/30/2021 10:50 AM
so there are versions without e-core, now i wonder how they will perform. Even more work for devs to take these into acount probably.
a very odd strategy there from intel.
When this architecture was first announced, I was only considering it from the pure CPU technology perspective, wondering how it's better than a more intelligent power management design, at least for desktop CPUs. However, now, much later, I realised it really can be a bigger problem for software design. Win11 supposedly is designed for it, but who would really count on MS to get things right in a universal manner, especially if you try to run some 10 years old piece of software with no updates for years? Ryzen has been a bread and butter CPU now for a while, yet somehow MS managed to partially screw things up with it as well, concerning Win11.
so there are versions without e-core, now i wonder how they will perform. Even more work for devs to take these into acount probably.
a very odd strategy there from intel.
When this architecture was first announced, I was only considering it from the pure CPU technology perspective, wondering how it's better than a more intelligent power management design, at least for desktop CPUs. However, now, much later, I realised it really can be a bigger problem for software design. Win11 supposedly is designed for it, but who would really count on MS to get things right in a universal manner, especially if you try to run some 10 years old piece of software with no updates for years? Ryzen has been a bread and butter CPU now for a while, yet somehow MS managed to partially screw things up with it as well, concerning Win11.
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#5960101 Posted on: 10/30/2021 11:32 AM
Win11 was designed for other CPU designs to work.
When this architecture was first announced, I was only considering it from the pure CPU technology perspective, wondering how it's better than a more intelligent power management design, at least for desktop CPUs. However, now, much later, I realised it really can be a bigger problem for software design. Win11 supposedly is designed for it, but who would really count on MS to get things right in a universal manner, especially if you try to run some 10 years old piece of software with no updates for years? Ryzen has been a bread and butter CPU now for a while, yet somehow MS managed to partially screw things up with it as well, concerning Win11.
Win11 was designed for other CPU designs to work.
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#5960127 Posted on: 10/30/2021 02:00 PM
But still handicapping Ryzens on the new os by upto 15% whist running the new cpu runs perfectly
Then you got the braggin numbers stating alder lake is 11% faster than 5950x ? All things equal with os n drivers fixed wouldn't that make alder lake slower by 4%
But still handicapping Ryzens on the new os by upto 15% whist running the new cpu runs perfectly
Then you got the braggin numbers stating alder lake is 11% faster than 5950x ? All things equal with os n drivers fixed wouldn't that make alder lake slower by 4%
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#5960185 Posted on: 10/30/2021 06:40 PM
Yeah a OS designed for a processor not even been released yet, while handicapping multiple existing architectures that's been out over the course of 4 years... Can't help but laugh really, more so since they shaved off the compatibility list of lots of processors which should make it easier on them as there's less testing involved. Some only 2 years old is not compatible.
Win11 was designed for other CPU designs to work.
Yeah a OS designed for a processor not even been released yet, while handicapping multiple existing architectures that's been out over the course of 4 years... Can't help but laugh really, more so since they shaved off the compatibility list of lots of processors which should make it easier on them as there's less testing involved. Some only 2 years old is not compatible.
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I wonder how many of these will fry under ~250 W turbo loads... At least intel have moved away from the crappy TIM they were using.