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5G ON: T-Mobile 5G Network is Activated in the USA
One of the biggest and most important wireless high-speed networks just has become active. T-Mobile activated its 5G network across the United States covering more than 200 million people and more than 5,000 cities and towns.
T-Mobile doesn’t offer specifics on what kind of speeds you’ll see on the new network, and the actual improvements will vary a lot by location. “In some places, 600 MHz 5G will be a lot faster than LTE. In others, customers won’t see as much difference,” T-Mobile says.
Two new 5G smartphones, the exclusive OnePlus 7T Pro 5G McLaren ($899.99) and the Samsung Galaxy Note10+ 5G ($1299.99), are available for pre-order today at www.t-mobile.com/devices/5g-phones and in T-Mobile stores on December 6. Both 5G phones tap into the Un-carrier’s 600 MHz 5G network where available and T-Mobile’s LTE network elsewhere. Plus, both are ready to use Sprint’s 5G spectrum (2.5 GHz) when available from the New T-Mobile if the merger closes. To celebrate the launch, T-Mobile's customers can get the OnePlus 7T Pro 5G McLaren for FREE with 24 bill credits when they switch to T-Mobile and trade in an eligible phone … or, get a Note10+ 5G for FREE with 24 bill credits when they buy another and add a line (two for new customers). T-Mobile says its 5G network covers more than 60% of the population across more than 1 million square miles, much of that in rural America. It covers 200 million people and more than 5,000 towns.
In adition, T-Mobile’s 5G access costs the same as LTE at T-Mobile. All of the major US carriers have been racing to launch 5G this year. The next notable deployment is supposed to come from AT&T, which plans to launch its own low-band 5G this month, albeit only in five cities.
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#5737316 Posted on: 12/03/2019 06:33 PM
This must be the first time I've seen PR represented on a US map, and, the first time I've seen HI represented without AK.
Also... I claim BS on that coverage. I don't even think all carriers combined can provide that level of coverage, let alone T-Mobile.
Resonating with them still won't cause cancer. It's non-ionizing radiation. Anyone who sincerely fears the radiation from their electronics might as well never step outside again, because even at night you are being pummeled with much more cosmic and solar radiation. The sun will do more damage to you in one day than a lifetime of carrying a phone.
Let's just go a step further and let them know homes can build up radon, a radioactive gas that forms from the decay of natural radioactive metals in the ground.
This must be the first time I've seen PR represented on a US map, and, the first time I've seen HI represented without AK.
Also... I claim BS on that coverage. I don't even think all carriers combined can provide that level of coverage, let alone T-Mobile.
Resonating with them still won't cause cancer. It's non-ionizing radiation. Anyone who sincerely fears the radiation from their electronics might as well never step outside again, because even at night you are being pummeled with much more cosmic and solar radiation. The sun will do more damage to you in one day than a lifetime of carrying a phone.
Let's just go a step further and let them know homes can build up radon, a radioactive gas that forms from the decay of natural radioactive metals in the ground.
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#5737343 Posted on: 12/03/2019 08:20 PM
@Khronikos
How about you actually take 5 seconds to google something before you start making rash accusations:
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/radiation/cell-phones-fact-sheet
https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/radiation-nonionizing/index.html
Despite what you think (because this isn't up for debate), there are extensive studies, and many of them too. It is widely recognized among physicists, medical doctors, and radio technicians that radio frequencies are non-ionizing. Radio frequencies go from 20KHz to 300GHz. Currently, 5G tops at 28GHz, and will soon go up to 72GHz. If even 300GHz scares you, are you afraid of the light? Because that's in the hundreds of THz. It's all part of the electromagnetic spectrum.
Not even ultraviolet is ionizing, not the whole spectrum anyway. With enough energy, it can cause damage to your DNA. The sun provides roughly 32W per mm^2 of ultraviolet radiation. The sun emits hundreds of watts in the rest of the visible light spectrum, and even more in infrared. None of that is harmful to us at all. Cell phone radios, meanwhile, operate at less than 4W. Ooooh how scary! I'm surely going to get radiation sickness from that! /s
EDIT: Also worth pointing out that cell phone radios emit their 4W total, in a sphere. So per mm^2, it's pretty insignificant.
That's because given enough energy, radio waves will heat things up. That's how a microwave oven works. I suppose you think that's poisoning your food too? Because I assure you, it's not (and yes, there are studies to back that up too). The reason that limit is in place is not because of "radiation", it's because certain organs are sensitive to temperature. At 4W, your body can dissipate the heat much quicker than it can build up. A typical microwave oven (which BTW, operates at the same frequency of many consumer-grade radio devices) uses a whopping 1KW of power. It heats up your food so quick because it's literally 250x the amount of energy your phone can emit; usually even higher.
As for me bringing up the sun, the point of that was to show that the sun gives off an order of magnitude more electromagnetic radiation at HUGELY higher frequencies, and yet, it doesn't cause radiation poisoning. So how the hell is a 4W radio with a relatively low frequency supposed to do it?
So tell me physics and medicine expert of the internet: how do you feel about vaccines? Or the ludicrous idea that the Earth is a sphere?
@Khronikos
How about you actually take 5 seconds to google something before you start making rash accusations:
https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/radiation/cell-phones-fact-sheet
https://www.osha.gov/SLTC/radiation-nonionizing/index.html
Despite what you think (because this isn't up for debate), there are extensive studies, and many of them too. It is widely recognized among physicists, medical doctors, and radio technicians that radio frequencies are non-ionizing. Radio frequencies go from 20KHz to 300GHz. Currently, 5G tops at 28GHz, and will soon go up to 72GHz. If even 300GHz scares you, are you afraid of the light? Because that's in the hundreds of THz. It's all part of the electromagnetic spectrum.
Not even ultraviolet is ionizing, not the whole spectrum anyway. With enough energy, it can cause damage to your DNA. The sun provides roughly 32W per mm^2 of ultraviolet radiation. The sun emits hundreds of watts in the rest of the visible light spectrum, and even more in infrared. None of that is harmful to us at all. Cell phone radios, meanwhile, operate at less than 4W. Ooooh how scary! I'm surely going to get radiation sickness from that! /s
EDIT: Also worth pointing out that cell phone radios emit their 4W total, in a sphere. So per mm^2, it's pretty insignificant.
Also, the last part of your thing here is preposterous. A phone has radiation limits specifically because authorities do think it could probably cause issues if there weren't limits to the radiation emitted by phone. One day in the sun has nothing to do with a device emitting its own radiation. They are not the same radiation.
That's because given enough energy, radio waves will heat things up. That's how a microwave oven works. I suppose you think that's poisoning your food too? Because I assure you, it's not (and yes, there are studies to back that up too). The reason that limit is in place is not because of "radiation", it's because certain organs are sensitive to temperature. At 4W, your body can dissipate the heat much quicker than it can build up. A typical microwave oven (which BTW, operates at the same frequency of many consumer-grade radio devices) uses a whopping 1KW of power. It heats up your food so quick because it's literally 250x the amount of energy your phone can emit; usually even higher.
As for me bringing up the sun, the point of that was to show that the sun gives off an order of magnitude more electromagnetic radiation at HUGELY higher frequencies, and yet, it doesn't cause radiation poisoning. So how the hell is a 4W radio with a relatively low frequency supposed to do it?
So tell me physics and medicine expert of the internet: how do you feel about vaccines? Or the ludicrous idea that the Earth is a sphere?
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#5737355 Posted on: 12/03/2019 09:03 PM
It is a well known fact that people who have operated radar towers for several years nearly all get cancer.
I am willing to bet that 30 years from now, we are really going to start seing the health effects from people being constantly exposed to 4g and 5g... (aswell as cellphone and wifi to a lesser degree)
https://publications.iarc.fr/Book-And-Report-Series/Iarc-Monographs-On-The-Identification-Of-Carcinogenic-Hazards-To-Humans/Non-ionizing-Radiation-Part-2-Radiofrequency-Electromagnetic-Fields-2013
It is a well known fact that people who have operated radar towers for several years nearly all get cancer.
I am willing to bet that 30 years from now, we are really going to start seing the health effects from people being constantly exposed to 4g and 5g... (aswell as cellphone and wifi to a lesser degree)
https://publications.iarc.fr/Book-And-Report-Series/Iarc-Monographs-On-The-Identification-Of-Carcinogenic-Hazards-To-Humans/Non-ionizing-Radiation-Part-2-Radiofrequency-Electromagnetic-Fields-2013
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#5737373 Posted on: 12/03/2019 09:31 PM
It is a well known fact that people who have operated radar towers for several years nearly all get cancer.
I am willing to bet that 30 years from now, we are really going to start seing the health effects from people being constantly exposed to 4g and 5g... (aswell as cellphone and wifi to a lesser degree)
Source?
Let's say for a moment what you said is 100% fact: that's the same kind of logic that was applied to say aspartame is carcinogenic. Of course it's going to be carcinogenic when almost your entire diet is composed of aspartame and water (as what was done in lab tests with mice). Most things in life that are typically safe are dangerous when you're facing extreme amounts of exposure. Even drinking too much water can kill you.
A lot of broadcast towers emit tens of kilowatts. In the US, radio towers are limited to 1MW. Granted, a lot of that energy is lost in heat, but it's still a tremendous amount of power put into radio waves. So if it takes 1KW to cook your meal, is it really any surprise that those towers could cause damage to you when you're practically close enough to touch the emitter? For the record - the reason people don't get cooked alive while up on those towers is because the frequency doesn't resonate with water molecules.
Anyway, since the discussion here is specifically phone signals:
https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/radiation-exposure/cellular-phone-towers.html
EDIT:
I see you added a source but uh... did you not read the whole thing? Look at the last sentence:
"Although the preparation of this Monograph had been scheduled so as to include the results of the large international case-control study INTERPHONE on mobile-phone use (conducted in 2000-2004; published in 2010), it should be emphasized that the evaluations in this volume address the general question of whether RF radiation causes cancer in humans or in experimental animals: it does not specifically or exclusively consider mobile phones, but rather the type of radiation emitted by mobile phones and various other sources. Furthermore, this Monograph is focused on the potential for an increased risk of cancer among those exposed to RF radiation, but does not provide a quantitative assessment of any cancer risk, nor does it discuss or evaluate any other potential health effects of RF radiation."
In other words "this doesn't specify whether your phone will give you cancer".
It is a well known fact that people who have operated radar towers for several years nearly all get cancer.
I am willing to bet that 30 years from now, we are really going to start seing the health effects from people being constantly exposed to 4g and 5g... (aswell as cellphone and wifi to a lesser degree)
Source?
Let's say for a moment what you said is 100% fact: that's the same kind of logic that was applied to say aspartame is carcinogenic. Of course it's going to be carcinogenic when almost your entire diet is composed of aspartame and water (as what was done in lab tests with mice). Most things in life that are typically safe are dangerous when you're facing extreme amounts of exposure. Even drinking too much water can kill you.
A lot of broadcast towers emit tens of kilowatts. In the US, radio towers are limited to 1MW. Granted, a lot of that energy is lost in heat, but it's still a tremendous amount of power put into radio waves. So if it takes 1KW to cook your meal, is it really any surprise that those towers could cause damage to you when you're practically close enough to touch the emitter? For the record - the reason people don't get cooked alive while up on those towers is because the frequency doesn't resonate with water molecules.
Anyway, since the discussion here is specifically phone signals:
https://www.cancer.org/cancer/cancer-causes/radiation-exposure/cellular-phone-towers.html
EDIT:
I see you added a source but uh... did you not read the whole thing? Look at the last sentence:
"Although the preparation of this Monograph had been scheduled so as to include the results of the large international case-control study INTERPHONE on mobile-phone use (conducted in 2000-2004; published in 2010), it should be emphasized that the evaluations in this volume address the general question of whether RF radiation causes cancer in humans or in experimental animals: it does not specifically or exclusively consider mobile phones, but rather the type of radiation emitted by mobile phones and various other sources. Furthermore, this Monograph is focused on the potential for an increased risk of cancer among those exposed to RF radiation, but does not provide a quantitative assessment of any cancer risk, nor does it discuss or evaluate any other potential health effects of RF radiation."
In other words "this doesn't specify whether your phone will give you cancer".
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This must be the first time I've seen PR represented on a US map, and, the first time I've seen HI represented without AK.
Also... I claim BS on that coverage. I don't even think all carriers combined can provide that level of coverage, let alone T-Mobile.
Resonating with them still won't cause cancer. It's non-ionizing radiation. Anyone who sincerely fears the radiation from their electronics might as well never step outside again, because even at night you are being pummeled with much more cosmic and solar radiation. The sun will do more damage to you in one day than a lifetime of carrying a phone.