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12nm AMD Polaris Up and Coming Alright - Pretty Soon Already
So, it has been raining rumors about this for a while now, and I am 99.99% certain that it is a true thing. AMD is going to release a refresh for Polaris. The third iteration will be based on 12nm (previously 14nm). The first card released would be the Rx 570 refresh announced by next week already, followed by the RX 580 at 12nm a few weeks later.
PCOnline now as well mentions this, and they claim to have the info from videocard manufacturers. Polaris 30 (I'll just call it that for now) is manufactured at 12 nm and could be 10 to 15 percent faster compared to the current RX 570 and 580. The current generation is built on 14 nm FinFET LPP+. When AMD moves to a 12nm part, the clocks could indeed be bumped up a bit more, much like what Zen+ is doing for Ryzen 2000. It's not the first time that this rumor now has surfaced and for now, we do believe them to be true.
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#5593693 Posted on: 10/08/2018 08:12 AM
I hope they can decrease the power draw as well.
I hope they can decrease the power draw as well.
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#5593695 Posted on: 10/08/2018 08:14 AM
all they gotta do is say they now have ray tracing and could double the price.
(this comment may or may not be serious.)
all they gotta do is say they now have ray tracing and could double the price.
(this comment may or may not be serious.)
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#5593709 Posted on: 10/08/2018 09:38 AM
I guess next year we will get Polaris 40, which is the exact same thing, only manufactured using TSMC's 7nm technology. Then in 2020 we will get Polaris 50, which is once more the exact same thing, but with enhanced 7nm+ process. With good luck, in 2021 or 2022 we will finally get Polaris 60 with TSMC 5nm process!
I guess next year we will get Polaris 40, which is the exact same thing, only manufactured using TSMC's 7nm technology. Then in 2020 we will get Polaris 50, which is once more the exact same thing, but with enhanced 7nm+ process. With good luck, in 2021 or 2022 we will finally get Polaris 60 with TSMC 5nm process!
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#5593731 Posted on: 10/08/2018 11:31 AM
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#5593732 Posted on: 10/08/2018 11:32 AM
AAAAAAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA............ I love it.
Power to performance makes the cards they're trying to refresh kind of a joke. Maybe a %5 increase in performance with nothing else to bring to the table.
I have been vying for a reason to buy AMD again since the X1800xt days and their first foray into crossfire with that sorry dongle hanging off the back of your cards inputs....
Hey... If it ain't broke...
AAAAAAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA............ I love it.
Power to performance makes the cards they're trying to refresh kind of a joke. Maybe a %5 increase in performance with nothing else to bring to the table.
I have been vying for a reason to buy AMD again since the X1800xt days and their first foray into crossfire with that sorry dongle hanging off the back of your cards inputs....
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#5593737 Posted on: 10/08/2018 11:39 AM
It's a step in the right direction, but if you already have an RX480 graphics card, then there's no reason to upgrade.
It's a step in the right direction, but if you already have an RX480 graphics card, then there's no reason to upgrade.
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#5593738 Posted on: 10/08/2018 11:44 AM
I wrote it before, and I'll repeat it. RX-580 is held back severely by memory bandwidth and latency.
RX-580 with 1350MHz can gain good 15% performance just from serious memory tuning. How much more it could gain on ~1500MHz.
Memory limitation of stock cards is so bad that above 1400MHz there are nearly no gains. So, AMD can gain those 15% just by use of better memory. I think that investment to newer memory technology would deliver great benefit as GDDR5 can go only so far.
I wrote it before, and I'll repeat it. RX-580 is held back severely by memory bandwidth and latency.
RX-580 with 1350MHz can gain good 15% performance just from serious memory tuning. How much more it could gain on ~1500MHz.
Memory limitation of stock cards is so bad that above 1400MHz there are nearly no gains. So, AMD can gain those 15% just by use of better memory. I think that investment to newer memory technology would deliver great benefit as GDDR5 can go only so far.
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#5593741 Posted on: 10/08/2018 11:53 AM
Some really good deals om RX-580 cards out there right now.
Hoping to see some stepped improvements going into the 7 nm cards with these. Maybe not much though.
Some really good deals om RX-580 cards out there right now.
Hoping to see some stepped improvements going into the 7 nm cards with these. Maybe not much though.
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#5593750 Posted on: 10/08/2018 01:18 PM
I wrote it before, and I'll repeat it. RX-580 is held back severely by memory bandwidth and latency.
RX-580 with 1350MHz can gain good 15% performance just from serious memory tuning. How much more it could gain on ~1500MHz.
Memory limitation of stock cards is so bad that above 1400MHz there are nearly no gains. So, AMD can gain those 15% just by use of better memory. I think that investment to newer memory technology would deliver great benefit as GDDR5 can go only so far.
Too bad nobody sent a note to AMD about this. Apparently they haven't ever heard of GDDR5X, let alone GDDR6. They still think GDDR5 is the best one out there, and the only step upwards is the troublesome HBM.
I wrote it before, and I'll repeat it. RX-580 is held back severely by memory bandwidth and latency.
RX-580 with 1350MHz can gain good 15% performance just from serious memory tuning. How much more it could gain on ~1500MHz.
Memory limitation of stock cards is so bad that above 1400MHz there are nearly no gains. So, AMD can gain those 15% just by use of better memory. I think that investment to newer memory technology would deliver great benefit as GDDR5 can go only so far.
Too bad nobody sent a note to AMD about this. Apparently they haven't ever heard of GDDR5X, let alone GDDR6. They still think GDDR5 is the best one out there, and the only step upwards is the troublesome HBM.
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#5593763 Posted on: 10/08/2018 01:49 PM
No wonder Nvidia launched the 2080 Ti along with the 2080 this time, they must have shat themselves!
No wonder Nvidia launched the 2080 Ti along with the 2080 this time, they must have shat themselves!
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#5593769 Posted on: 10/08/2018 02:02 PM
They did... with Pascal.
No wonder Nvidia launched the 2080 Ti along with the 2080 this time, they must have shat themselves!
They did... with Pascal.
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#5593772 Posted on: 10/08/2018 02:22 PM
Am I missing something? It's 15% on top of a 580.. that puts it against a 1070Ti at best?
No wonder Nvidia launched the 2080 Ti along with the 2080 this time, they must have shat themselves!
Am I missing something? It's 15% on top of a 580.. that puts it against a 1070Ti at best?
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#5593776 Posted on: 10/08/2018 02:37 PM
why the snark? oh yeah...
this is a slam dunk. not every segment of the market has to be bleeding edge. for the gamer on a budget this is a godsend along along with that R5 cpu. for the shareholders it's an "atta-boy", this is a proven design on a proven smaller node. there's also the fact of completing the contract with GloFlo.
now you get seamless 1080p, good 1440p, free-sync, lower power/heat, and a marked performance bump that everyone can see.
most of all it's cheap to make, cheap to buy, and very profitable.
why the snark? oh yeah...
this is a slam dunk. not every segment of the market has to be bleeding edge. for the gamer on a budget this is a godsend along along with that R5 cpu. for the shareholders it's an "atta-boy", this is a proven design on a proven smaller node. there's also the fact of completing the contract with GloFlo.
now you get seamless 1080p, good 1440p, free-sync, lower power/heat, and a marked performance bump that everyone can see.
most of all it's cheap to make, cheap to buy, and very profitable.
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#5593790 Posted on: 10/08/2018 03:02 PM
Lets make a nice steak on it no frying pan needed xD
Lets make a nice steak on it no frying pan needed xD
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