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12nm AMD Polaris Up and Coming Alright - Pretty Soon Already
So, it has been raining rumors about this for a while now, and I am 99.99% certain that it is a true thing. AMD is going to release a refresh for Polaris. The third iteration will be based on 12nm (previously 14nm). The first card released would be the Rx 570 refresh announced by next week already, followed by the RX 580 at 12nm a few weeks later.
PCOnline now as well mentions this, and they claim to have the info from videocard manufacturers. Polaris 30 (I'll just call it that for now) is manufactured at 12 nm and could be 10 to 15 percent faster compared to the current RX 570 and 580. The current generation is built on 14 nm FinFET LPP+. When AMD moves to a 12nm part, the clocks could indeed be bumped up a bit more, much like what Zen+ is doing for Ryzen 2000. It's not the first time that this rumor now has surfaced and for now, we do believe them to be true.
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#5593941 Posted on: 10/08/2018 08:10 PM
Or Koduri left because Vega was a massive fail, not entirely hardware wise but because they didn't expect HBM2 price to go up and availability go down. It eats too much power even with HMB2, and a slight undervolt can make the card look so much better. But still, came years late and didn't beat 1080Ti.
They're not firing up the 16/14nm ovens again, its a 12nm product and we've seen the gains with Zen+.
Makes sense from a business perspective too because they'll be switching foundries for 7nm and still have a contract to honour at 12nm or else.
We only have inflated 500 series cards on the market. Yes, they're still inflated here and I bet the 600 series will be slightly inflated too on many places. I don't see anything wrong about AMD putting a fresh product out, even if the performance is only +10% from the previous.
No, Vega failed because of the hardware, half it features are disabled. Had they of worked it may and I say may have been good competition for the 1080Ti in some cases.
Too bad nobody sent a note to AMD about this. Apparently they haven't ever heard of GDDR5X, let alone GDDR6. They still think GDDR5 is the best one out there, and the only step upwards is the troublesome HBM.
I was hoping they were going to use DDR5x with the updated Polaris. I guess they are more looking to keep prices really low. I was looking for an upgrade over my RX480, but I already skipped the 580 as it wasn't a big enough jump as my 480 can already overclock pretty damn well seeing it is a Strix card with an 8-pin PCI-e.
Or Koduri left because Vega was a massive fail, not entirely hardware wise but because they didn't expect HBM2 price to go up and availability go down. It eats too much power even with HMB2, and a slight undervolt can make the card look so much better. But still, came years late and didn't beat 1080Ti.
They're not firing up the 16/14nm ovens again, its a 12nm product and we've seen the gains with Zen+.
Makes sense from a business perspective too because they'll be switching foundries for 7nm and still have a contract to honour at 12nm or else.
We only have inflated 500 series cards on the market. Yes, they're still inflated here and I bet the 600 series will be slightly inflated too on many places. I don't see anything wrong about AMD putting a fresh product out, even if the performance is only +10% from the previous.
No, Vega failed because of the hardware, half it features are disabled. Had they of worked it may and I say may have been good competition for the 1080Ti in some cases.
Too bad nobody sent a note to AMD about this. Apparently they haven't ever heard of GDDR5X, let alone GDDR6. They still think GDDR5 is the best one out there, and the only step upwards is the troublesome HBM.
I was hoping they were going to use DDR5x with the updated Polaris. I guess they are more looking to keep prices really low. I was looking for an upgrade over my RX480, but I already skipped the 580 as it wasn't a big enough jump as my 480 can already overclock pretty damn well seeing it is a Strix card with an 8-pin PCI-e.
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#5593958 Posted on: 10/08/2018 08:32 PM
Every card AMD launches (or NVIDIA) has it purpose and market share/price range in mind. They're major players and have expensive market analysts on the job. But I guess they should just contract the random Guru3D forum truth owner.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but VEGA wasn't designed primarily with machine learning in mind, instead of gaming?
Every card AMD launches (or NVIDIA) has it purpose and market share/price range in mind. They're major players and have expensive market analysts on the job. But I guess they should just contract the random Guru3D forum truth owner.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but VEGA wasn't designed primarily with machine learning in mind, instead of gaming?
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#5594011 Posted on: 10/08/2018 11:12 PM
I'd be happy if they fired every single expensive market analyst and instead hired engineers with the money.
Every card AMD launches (or NVIDIA) has it purpose and market share/price range in mind. They're major players and have expensive market analysts on the job. But I guess they should just contract the random Guru3D forum truth owner.
I'd be happy if they fired every single expensive market analyst and instead hired engineers with the money.
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#5594017 Posted on: 10/08/2018 11:38 PM
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AMD has had all the time in the world to work on something ever since Polaris/Vega, but nothing came out, except relaunches. Sure, they have Navi under development, and probably what comes after it, but it will still be a long time before we see even Navi on shop shelves, let alone anything more futuristic. It's the lack of funds that causes the long development. Few people developing something takes longer than many people developing it. Maybe Koduri failed somewhat with Vega, but who hasn't ever failed in life? I'm sure he would have still had something to give considering a failure can teach more than a victory. But he went to Intel and probably a five times larger R&D budget.