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10nm Alder Lake CPUs from Intel will be available for PC and laptops in the second half of 2021
Intel confirms that its Alder Lake generation will be released in the second half of this year. These are processors made on an improved version of Intel's 10nm process, with large and small cores. There will be Alder Lake CPUs for both desktops and laptops.
It seems Intel was far more focused on Alder Lake than Rocket Lake. Starting with the Intel Core i7-11375H Special Edition, it’s a 4-core, 8-thread processor with a maximum single-core boost of 5GHz. Intel claims to outperform its competitors, including the AMD Ryzen 4800HS and 4900H, by 30% in single-threaded performance.
Following that is the Intel Core i7-11370H, which is also a 4-core, 8-thread processor that hits a slightly slower 4.8GHz Turbo Boost clock. Lastly, there’s the more mid-range Intel Core i5-11300H CPU that surprisingly still offers as many cores and threads, and a still quick 4.4GHz speed. Intel also teased even more 11th Gen H-series processors that will come later this quarter including an 8-core, 16-thread chip. It promises an up to 5 GHz boost clock, 20 lanes of PCIe 4.0 for fastest storage and discrete graphics, and Intel Killer Wi-fi 6E (Gig+) wireless. Whereas in years past the Intel made a big splash by introducing its first octa-core CPUs or hitting 5GHz for the first time, this year’s crop of mobile processors brings some more humble, but important platform improvements to portable PC gaming.
"It combines high-performance and high-efficiency cores into a single product," Bryant said. "It'll be the foundation for leadership desktop and mobile processors that deliver smarter, faster and more efficient real-world compute usages."
Intel gave only a few details about the Alder Lake processors, but a lot of information has already been leaked incl an lga1700 socket. Alder Lake-S processors for desktops are a different size from the current Comet Lake and upcoming Rocket Lake CPUs and therefore also require new motherboards. Intel will probably come up with chipsets in the 600 series for this.
Update 24/1: New info has hit the web and Intel would be relating Alder lake-S in September already, Chinese tech site Uniko's Hardware mentions this.
| Coffee Lake-S | Comet Lake-S | Rocket Lake-S | Alder Lake-S | |
| Process | 14nm | 14nm | 14nm | 10nm + SuperFin |
| Introduction | 2018 | 2020 | Q1 2021 | H2 2021 |
| Chipset | Intel 300 | Intel 400 | Intel 500 | Intel 600 |
| Generation | 8th / 9th | 10th | 11th | 12th |
| Cores (max) | 8 | 10 | 8? | 8 + 8 (big.Little) |
| Socket | Lga1151 | Lga1200 | Lga1200 | Lga1700 |
| Memory | Dual-channel ddr4 | Dual-channel ddr4 | Dual-channel ddr4 | NA |
| PCIe version | 3.0 | 3.0 | 4.0 | 4.0 |
| PCIe-lanes CPU | 16 | 16 | 20 | NA |
| PCIe-lanes PCH | 24 | 24 | 24 | NA |
| USB (maximum) | 6x 3.1 Gen2x110x 3.1 Gen1x1 | 3.2 Gen 2 × 1 (10 Gb / s)3.2 Gen 1 × 1 (5 Gb / s) | 3.2 Gen 2 × 2 (20 Gb / s) 3.2 Gen 2 × 1 (10 Gb / s)3.2 Gen 1 × 1 (5 Gb / s) |
NA |
| Direct Media Interface | x4 3.0 | x4 3.0 | x8 3.0 | NA |
| Wifi | AC | AX | AX | NA |
| Intel SGX | 1.0 | 1.0 | Deleted | NA |
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#5876371 Posted on: 01/12/2021 09:44 AM
Interesting. Looking forward to seeing this, and the effect on my Intel shares :p
Interesting. Looking forward to seeing this, and the effect on my Intel shares :p
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#5876385 Posted on: 01/12/2021 10:11 AM
It's quite interesting how high GHz mobile CPUs are hitting these days. The laptops themselves have only got thinner and lighter, generally speaking, so it's not like the cooling capacity would have been boosted massively over the years. As far as the more reasonable mainstream desktop CPUs go, mobile CPUs don't look any worse anymore. Like my Ryzen 3700X was quickly overtaken by mobile CPUs. I suppose it makes sense considering how huge and thus important the mobile PC market is.
It's quite interesting how high GHz mobile CPUs are hitting these days. The laptops themselves have only got thinner and lighter, generally speaking, so it's not like the cooling capacity would have been boosted massively over the years. As far as the more reasonable mainstream desktop CPUs go, mobile CPUs don't look any worse anymore. Like my Ryzen 3700X was quickly overtaken by mobile CPUs. I suppose it makes sense considering how huge and thus important the mobile PC market is.
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#5876464 Posted on: 01/12/2021 01:43 PM
Thin and light is still thin and light. For those they use 15-35W CPUs.. They may share the same name as the power hungry versions, but they dont deliver the same performance (AMD 4800U vs 4800H sounds similar, but are very different). Workstation laptops are still thick and can only run 1-2 hours on battery for this reason they need cooling, just like your desktop PC. A LG Gram cannot compete with a real workstation. Sure its thin. But its only thin and light because they have a low power CPU and thus does not generate as much heat, and thus dont need a large radiator. The laws of physics cannot be broken. of cause you dont need a workstation if you only browse, spreadsheet, spotify, code etc.. But for rendering 3D, simulate physics models etc you gonna need the beefy ones.
It's quite interesting how high GHz mobile CPUs are hitting these days. The laptops themselves have only got thinner and lighter, generally speaking, so it's not like the cooling capacity would have been boosted massively over the years. As far as the more reasonable mainstream desktop CPUs go, mobile CPUs don't look any worse anymore. Like my Ryzen 3700X was quickly overtaken by mobile CPUs. I suppose it makes sense considering how huge and thus important the mobile PC market is.
Thin and light is still thin and light. For those they use 15-35W CPUs.. They may share the same name as the power hungry versions, but they dont deliver the same performance (AMD 4800U vs 4800H sounds similar, but are very different). Workstation laptops are still thick and can only run 1-2 hours on battery for this reason they need cooling, just like your desktop PC. A LG Gram cannot compete with a real workstation. Sure its thin. But its only thin and light because they have a low power CPU and thus does not generate as much heat, and thus dont need a large radiator. The laws of physics cannot be broken. of cause you dont need a workstation if you only browse, spreadsheet, spotify, code etc.. But for rendering 3D, simulate physics models etc you gonna need the beefy ones.
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#5876506 Posted on: 01/12/2021 03:41 PM
I'd assume folks would use Threadrippers for those uses. Aren't the beefier laptops meant for gamers? If you travel a lot/longer times, but still want to be a gamer, a gaming laptop is pretty much the only choice. I still don't really see why anyone would replace a gaming desktop back home with a gaming laptop if they never need to take their gaming on the road. I struggle to come up with lots of scenarios where people would absolutely need to crunch numbers on a laptop for professional reasons. They could use any decent laptop, and have the heavy work done on their company's servers instead. I'm sure there are some valid cases, though.
But for rendering 3D, simulate physics models etc you gonna need the beefy ones.
I'd assume folks would use Threadrippers for those uses. Aren't the beefier laptops meant for gamers? If you travel a lot/longer times, but still want to be a gamer, a gaming laptop is pretty much the only choice. I still don't really see why anyone would replace a gaming desktop back home with a gaming laptop if they never need to take their gaming on the road. I struggle to come up with lots of scenarios where people would absolutely need to crunch numbers on a laptop for professional reasons. They could use any decent laptop, and have the heavy work done on their company's servers instead. I'm sure there are some valid cases, though.
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duuno about AL,big+little w. better igpu seemed like a forced necessity,but now that apple is doing exactly the same and claiming revolutionary performance, we'll see.
they need some answer to amd ccd design