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Tech preview: AMD Ryzen 3000 - 7nm ZEN2
Posted by: on: 06/11/2019 01:19 AM [
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AMD during its E3 keynote released more details Ryzen 3000. You might have watched the live-stream, well that or you were asleep as that was nighttime in the EU, but in this preview article a deeper overview of what to expect Ryzen 3000 aka Zen2 wise including architecture details.
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kaz050
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Posted on: 06/11/2019 01:51 AM
I own the ryzen 1700 with a 1070 ftw I cant wait to get the 3600 as to the 8c16t which I almost never use all of it it's going to be a great buy for alot of people, even when you pair it with a b350 and up.I still wonder why Intel has yet to do this type tree line with cpus.
I own the ryzen 1700 with a 1070 ftw I cant wait to get the 3600 as to the 8c16t which I almost never use all of it it's going to be a great buy for alot of people, even when you pair it with a b350 and up.I still wonder why Intel has yet to do this type tree line with cpus.
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Posted on: 06/11/2019 01:57 AM
1700 here too, its all down to what we use our rigs for, cuz ill be grabbing the 3950x the moment it hits shelves.
I own the ryzen 1700 with a 1070 ftw I cant wait to get the 3600 as to the 8c16t which I almost never use all of it it's going to be a great buy for alot of people, even when you pair it with a b350 and up.I still wonder why Intel has yet to do this type tree line with cpus.
1700 here too, its all down to what we use our rigs for, cuz ill be grabbing the 3950x the moment it hits shelves.
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Posted on: 06/11/2019 02:08 AM
Hope higher quality overview pictures will go up soon.
Hope higher quality overview pictures will go up soon.
Arbie
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Posted on: 06/11/2019 02:29 AM
Regarding the 3950X... since AMD will be selling it with a cooler, that component has to figure into the guaranteed boost. Coolers can't be binned like silicon, especially since the interface quality will be uncontrolled.
Meaning that AMD will be forced to leave performance on the table, as margin.
Meaning that premium cooling could very well enable PBO / XFR to push the boost significantly higher.
I'll bet that with top air cooling most 3950X will boost at least 100 MHz higher. And on water, well, maybe 5.0GHz. Unless they lock it at 4.70GHz; that would be unfortunate and IMHO not in their best interests overall.
Personally I'd rather they omitted the cooler from the top chips, for exactly this reason. I'll hate to throw it away...
Regarding the 3950X... since AMD will be selling it with a cooler, that component has to figure into the guaranteed boost. Coolers can't be binned like silicon, especially since the interface quality will be uncontrolled.
Meaning that AMD will be forced to leave performance on the table, as margin.
Meaning that premium cooling could very well enable PBO / XFR to push the boost significantly higher.
I'll bet that with top air cooling most 3950X will boost at least 100 MHz higher. And on water, well, maybe 5.0GHz. Unless they lock it at 4.70GHz; that would be unfortunate and IMHO not in their best interests overall.
Personally I'd rather they omitted the cooler from the top chips, for exactly this reason. I'll hate to throw it away...
abula
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Posted on: 06/11/2019 02:33 AM
So there will be a 16 core.... really nice, although not as cheap as the leaks, wondering what will TR bring to the table.
So there will be a 16 core.... really nice, although not as cheap as the leaks, wondering what will TR bring to the table.
kendoka15
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Posted on: 06/11/2019 04:12 AM
That may Windows update sounds great. It sucks that it has been this long, but I guess Microsoft could no longer ignore Ryzen owners
That may Windows update sounds great. It sucks that it has been this long, but I guess Microsoft could no longer ignore Ryzen owners
D3M1G0D
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Posted on: 06/11/2019 04:55 AM
3950X is pricer than I had expected. Still good value though.
3950X is pricer than I had expected. Still good value though.
ladcrooks
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Posted on: 06/11/2019 06:27 AM
Amd are just like the sunshine after the storm. What a company, back from the dead , but no Zombies here
Amd and I go back so far
Amd are just like the sunshine after the storm. What a company, back from the dead , but no Zombies here
Amd and I go back so far
' AMD Athlon 1.4Ghz 'Thunderbird
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Posted on: 06/11/2019 06:57 AM
Wow so now PBO can also raise the maximum frequency.
Also interesting that the X570 chipset is a 14nm version of the 12nm IO die on the cpu.
Wow so now PBO can also raise the maximum frequency.
Also interesting that the X570 chipset is a 14nm version of the 12nm IO die on the cpu.
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Posted on: 06/11/2019 06:59 AM
Need to decide on, do i get the 3700X or the 3900X, guess i have something to buy with my redundancy money. Also noticed that they have been working with Microsoft to optimise CCX utilisation. DO i need 12 cores, not really but it does have higher boost frequencies for games and sure hope 2 or more cores can hit them 1 in each CCX.
Need to decide on, do i get the 3700X or the 3900X, guess i have something to buy with my redundancy money. Also noticed that they have been working with Microsoft to optimise CCX utilisation. DO i need 12 cores, not really but it does have higher boost frequencies for games and sure hope 2 or more cores can hit them 1 in each CCX.
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Posted on: 06/11/2019 08:41 AM
Hello @Hilbert Hagedoorn, two little typos you may want to fix... mayb not
First page, first paragraph... " It is ow the year 2019 and where AMD was close "
5th page, bottom, "depending on your looing performance can add 200".
Hello @Hilbert Hagedoorn, two little typos you may want to fix... mayb not
First page, first paragraph... " It is ow the year 2019 and where AMD was close "
5th page, bottom, "depending on your looing performance can add 200".
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Posted on: 06/11/2019 09:14 AM
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Posted on: 06/11/2019 09:26 AM
Threadripper 16 core 1950x is 590$ here in Norway now.
Threadripper 16 core 1950x is 590$ here in Norway now.
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Posted on: 06/11/2019 09:31 AM
Looking forward to it.
On the tweaking front you are going to notice improved overclocking options, both windows software based as well as the BIOS, this, of course, we'll detail in-depth in our reviews.
Looking forward to it.
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Posted on: 06/11/2019 09:57 AM
Wow so now PBO can also raise the maximum frequency.
Also interesting that the X570 chipset is a 14nm version of the 12nm IO die on the cpu.
Yes, I knew it! LOL.
looks like even the cheap 3600 can match 9900K ST with the new PBO:
Wow so now PBO can also raise the maximum frequency.
Also interesting that the X570 chipset is a 14nm version of the 12nm IO die on the cpu.
Yes, I knew it! LOL.
looks like even the cheap 3600 can match 9900K ST with the new PBO:
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Posted on: 06/11/2019 10:36 AM
Hilbert, can you do some tests with higher-capacity memory setups for the Ryzen 3000 review? I would love to know what 24/7 memory clocks I can run with 64GB installed, so 4 Dual Rank modules, for example. The best modules to buy in that config seem to be the G.SKILL 3733 CL17 4x16GB kits, but i'm not sure if that isn't a waste if Ryzen 3000 can't actually run them properly.
Everyone seems to otherwise focus on pure "gaming memory" setups, 2 sticks of single rank memory for max speed, and not capacity.
Hilbert, can you do some tests with higher-capacity memory setups for the Ryzen 3000 review? I would love to know what 24/7 memory clocks I can run with 64GB installed, so 4 Dual Rank modules, for example. The best modules to buy in that config seem to be the G.SKILL 3733 CL17 4x16GB kits, but i'm not sure if that isn't a waste if Ryzen 3000 can't actually run them properly.
Everyone seems to otherwise focus on pure "gaming memory" setups, 2 sticks of single rank memory for max speed, and not capacity.
djeiraji
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Posted on: 06/11/2019 10:56 AM
Impressed.
That's one of the most exciting change in mainstream CPU history.
All of that with backward motherboard compatibility.
GG AMD.
Impressed.
That's one of the most exciting change in mainstream CPU history.
All of that with backward motherboard compatibility.
GG AMD.
StefanInter9
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Posted on: 06/11/2019 11:19 AM
Was going to go for 12core, may now save up a bit more and go 16core instead. Exciting times.
Was going to go for 12core, may now save up a bit more and go 16core instead. Exciting times.
nevcairiel
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Posted on: 06/11/2019 11:39 AM
Impressed.
That's one of the most exciting change in mainstream CPU history.
All of that with backward motherboard compatibility.
GG AMD.
They are actually compromising on some things to keep compatibility though. Not sure I'm a fan of that. Rather see them give it all it could have, but oh well.
Impressed.
That's one of the most exciting change in mainstream CPU history.
All of that with backward motherboard compatibility.
GG AMD.
They are actually compromising on some things to keep compatibility though. Not sure I'm a fan of that. Rather see them give it all it could have, but oh well.
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Posted on: 06/11/2019 12:18 PM
I'm still going with the 12 core CPU. It's a nice price, I get extra cores over my 2700X, better IPC, and higher clocks.
Something in the back of my head just tells me that my x370 asus crosshair vi hero might still have issues with the 16 core.
Although that 14 phase VRM on the gigabyte aurous extreme does look tasty and quite tempting.....
I'm still going with the 12 core CPU. It's a nice price, I get extra cores over my 2700X, better IPC, and higher clocks.
Something in the back of my head just tells me that my x370 asus crosshair vi hero might still have issues with the 16 core.
Although that 14 phase VRM on the gigabyte aurous extreme does look tasty and quite tempting.....
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Posted on: 06/11/2019 12:42 PM
There are some typos I guess in the PCIE page (page 5 of 6).
For example:
If NO 3000 series is used, the chips will fall back to PCIE 3.0 ...
And obviously the last sentence on that page should say 16 cores instead of 17.
@Hilbert Hagedoorn : Would you please correct that? Thanks a lot.
There are some typos I guess in the PCIE page (page 5 of 6).
For example:
If a Ryzen 3000 family proc is used, ...
If NO 3000 series is used, the chips will fall back to PCIE 3.0 ...
And obviously the last sentence on that page should say 16 cores instead of 17.
@Hilbert Hagedoorn : Would you please correct that? Thanks a lot.
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Posted on: 06/11/2019 12:56 PM
I was a bit stunned when Robert Hallock showed an i9 vs Ryzen 9 3900X playing Division 2 in 1440p, while streaming to YouTube with OBS using the slow preset.
i9 did 1.6 FPS while Ryzen 9 did almost 60 FPS.
Anyone interested can see it here ... :
(Starts with normal gameplay then starts streaming)
I'm still going with the 12 core CPU. It's a nice price, I get extra cores over my 2700X, better IPC, and higher clocks.
I was a bit stunned when Robert Hallock showed an i9 vs Ryzen 9 3900X playing Division 2 in 1440p, while streaming to YouTube with OBS using the slow preset.
i9 did 1.6 FPS while Ryzen 9 did almost 60 FPS.
Anyone interested can see it here ... :
(Starts with normal gameplay then starts streaming)
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Posted on: 06/11/2019 01:02 PM
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Posted on: 06/11/2019 01:04 PM
I was a bit stunned when Robert Hallock showed an i9 vs Ryzen 9 3900X playing Division 2 in 1440p, while streaming to YouTube with OBS using the slow preset.
i9 did 1.6 FPS while Ryzen 9 did almost 60 FPS.
Anyone interested can see it here ... :
(Starts with normal gameplay then starts streaming)
It was rather unfair. I have fine tuned streaming profile for low 6Mbps upload (Twitch limit for regular users). It is actually "Placebo" with good dozen of parameters and 48fps on 1080p. (I game at 96fps when I stream as RX-580 can't really do much more and keep fps stable.)
I am sure that 9900K would do 60fps steadily with those settings. AMD simply used some default preset which is not fine tuned to get best IQ per bandwidth while optimally using CPU.
It is easy to choke even that 16C/32T CPU just by doubling search radius for motion + increase number of frames which can be referenced (forwards/backwards).
I was a bit stunned when Robert Hallock showed an i9 vs Ryzen 9 3900X playing Division 2 in 1440p, while streaming to YouTube with OBS using the slow preset.
i9 did 1.6 FPS while Ryzen 9 did almost 60 FPS.
Anyone interested can see it here ... :
(Starts with normal gameplay then starts streaming)
It was rather unfair. I have fine tuned streaming profile for low 6Mbps upload (Twitch limit for regular users). It is actually "Placebo" with good dozen of parameters and 48fps on 1080p. (I game at 96fps when I stream as RX-580 can't really do much more and keep fps stable.)
I am sure that 9900K would do 60fps steadily with those settings. AMD simply used some default preset which is not fine tuned to get best IQ per bandwidth while optimally using CPU.
It is easy to choke even that 16C/32T CPU just by doubling search radius for motion + increase number of frames which can be referenced (forwards/backwards).
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everybody is in the livestream thread but im just gonna say that 3600 is a hell of a good deal & leave it at that