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Guru3D Rig of the Month - December 2019
ASRock X470 Taichi review
Posted by: on: 06/08/2018 02:01 PM [
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ASRock is back in da house, this time with the X470 Taichi . A motherboard that positions itself in the high-end range of X470, nicely built motherboard really and good looking is what it screams.
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jdc2389
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Posted on: 06/08/2018 08:17 PM
Come on man.. this is a top of the line board you should at least use better cooling to show off the board and what you could achieve.
Come on man.. this is a top of the line board you should at least use better cooling to show off the board and what you could achieve.
Fox2232
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Posted on: 06/08/2018 09:50 PM
CPU Voltage is yet another limitation. Even for me 1.425V is as far as I would go. I care little that automatic voltage from XFR2 goes over 1.5V.
Come on man.. this is a top of the line board you should at least use better cooling to show off the board and what you could achieve.
CPU Voltage is yet another limitation. Even for me 1.425V is as far as I would go. I care little that automatic voltage from XFR2 goes over 1.5V.
Biffo
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Posted on: 06/09/2018 12:12 PM
Will this mobo be compatible with the 7nm chip?
Will this mobo be compatible with the 7nm chip?
Andrew LB
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Posted on: 06/09/2018 12:30 PM
His job is to review and give objective analysis and perspective. Not to give special treatment to help promote products. He used the same setup for the last x470 review that he did.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/gigabyte-x470-aorus-ultra-gaming-review,3.html
Come on man.. this is a top of the line board you should at least use better cooling to show off the board and what you could achieve.
His job is to review and give objective analysis and perspective. Not to give special treatment to help promote products. He used the same setup for the last x470 review that he did.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/gigabyte-x470-aorus-ultra-gaming-review,3.html
Agonist
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Posted on: 06/09/2018 03:59 PM
His job is to review and give objective analysis and perspective. Not to give special treatment to help promote products. He used the same setup for the last x470 review that he did.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/gigabyte-x470-aorus-ultra-gaming-review,3.html
And this is why we love Hilbert and GURU3D so much. This is the only site I come too for 99% of the computer stuff. If its not on here, Ill slum it somewhere else if I have too.
His job is to review and give objective analysis and perspective. Not to give special treatment to help promote products. He used the same setup for the last x470 review that he did.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/gigabyte-x470-aorus-ultra-gaming-review,3.html
And this is why we love Hilbert and GURU3D so much. This is the only site I come too for 99% of the computer stuff. If its not on here, Ill slum it somewhere else if I have too.
fantaskarsef
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Posted on: 06/09/2018 04:07 PM
Thanks for the review Hilbert.
If anybody is interested, I can say that I think ASrock customer support is pretty good:
I bought a AB350 Gaming-ITX/ac board for my HTPC build, together with a 2400G. Turns out the stock BIOS (3.10) does not support the CPU right away, so you either need a Ryzen1 or old APU for socket AM4 to flash the BIOS versions (which worked fine with an A6-9500 CPU, 2 flashes via the necessary 3.60 bridge firmware you need to flash first).
What ASrock customer service (seated in the Netherlands apparently) told me after I filled out their online was that I received a messege after 1.5 work days that they'd send me a new BIOS chip with the latest firmware to exchange (BIOS chip is just socketed), free of charge.
It's not here yet but what could you ask more of a manufacturer to send you the new BIOS without cost?
Thanks for the review Hilbert.
If anybody is interested, I can say that I think ASrock customer support is pretty good:
I bought a AB350 Gaming-ITX/ac board for my HTPC build, together with a 2400G. Turns out the stock BIOS (3.10) does not support the CPU right away, so you either need a Ryzen1 or old APU for socket AM4 to flash the BIOS versions (which worked fine with an A6-9500 CPU, 2 flashes via the necessary 3.60 bridge firmware you need to flash first).
What ASrock customer service (seated in the Netherlands apparently) told me after I filled out their online was that I received a messege after 1.5 work days that they'd send me a new BIOS chip with the latest firmware to exchange (BIOS chip is just socketed), free of charge.
It's not here yet but what could you ask more of a manufacturer to send you the new BIOS without cost?
jdc2389
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Posted on: 06/09/2018 06:26 PM
His job is to review and give objective analysis and perspective. Not to give special treatment to help promote products. He used the same setup for the last x470 review that he did.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/gigabyte-x470-aorus-ultra-gaming-review,3.html
I'd hardly call better cooling than the stock cooler on the 2700x OC'd special treatment, those temps are nasty but yeah the vrms are a lot colder than that gigabyte.
His job is to review and give objective analysis and perspective. Not to give special treatment to help promote products. He used the same setup for the last x470 review that he did.
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/gigabyte-x470-aorus-ultra-gaming-review,3.html
I'd hardly call better cooling than the stock cooler on the 2700x OC'd special treatment, those temps are nasty but yeah the vrms are a lot colder than that gigabyte.
maikai
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Posted on: 06/09/2018 09:44 PM
The whole point is its stock.
The prices on these newer boards are getting ridiculous though
I'd hardly call better cooling than the stock cooler on the 2700x OC'd special treatment, those temps are nasty but yeah the vrms are a lot colder than that gigabyte.
The whole point is its stock.
The prices on these newer boards are getting ridiculous though
Agonist
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Posted on: 06/10/2018 12:33 AM
The whole point is its stock.
The prices on these newer boards are getting ridiculous though
No they are not. These boards have more features then $500 board from 4-5 years ago.
Board is $139. How is that ridiculous?
The whole point is its stock.
The prices on these newer boards are getting ridiculous though
No they are not. These boards have more features then $500 board from 4-5 years ago.
Board is $139. How is that ridiculous?
jdc2389
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Posted on: 06/10/2018 08:23 PM
No they are not. These boards have more features then $500 board from 4-5 years ago.
Board is $139. How is that ridiculous?
No they are not. These boards have more features then $500 board from 4-5 years ago.
Board is $139. How is that ridiculous?
maikai
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Posted on: 06/10/2018 10:57 PM
No they are not. These boards have more features then $500 board from 4-5 years ago.
Board is $139. How is that ridiculous?
Order me one with your insider prices please
No they are not. These boards have more features then $500 board from 4-5 years ago.
Board is $139. How is that ridiculous?
Order me one with your insider prices please
Fox2232
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Posted on: 06/11/2018 06:23 AM
Board price is Good, it costs about same as did Athlon XP board I had around year 2000.
Inflation vs. features. Board prices are good. My original plan for 2700X system was to get this exact board. But they were not available at 2700X launch.
It even has upper M.2 slot above GPU, so heat is not blocked by it. Nor is GPU blowing hot air on your speedy SSD.
Board price is Good, it costs about same as did Athlon XP board I had around year 2000.
Inflation vs. features. Board prices are good. My original plan for 2700X system was to get this exact board. But they were not available at 2700X launch.
It even has upper M.2 slot above GPU, so heat is not blocked by it. Nor is GPU blowing hot air on your speedy SSD.
SHS
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Posted on: 06/11/2018 02:13 PM
To me the X470 Taichi is over price one reason for this is all that dumb RGB junk and on board Wireless which any real game would never used to min motherboard it all about the fancy bling which I have no use for
To me the X470 Taichi is over price one reason for this is all that dumb RGB junk and on board Wireless which any real game would never used to min motherboard it all about the fancy bling which I have no use for
fantaskarsef
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Posted on: 06/11/2018 04:08 PM
The whole point is its stock.
The prices on these newer boards are getting ridiculous though
Board price is Good, it costs about same as did Athlon XP board I had around year 2000.
Inflation vs. features. Board prices are good. My original plan for 2700X system was to get this exact board. But they were not available at 2700X launch.
It even has upper M.2 slot above GPU, so heat is not blocked by it. Nor is GPU blowing hot air on your speedy SSD.
As I just found an old invoice from 2011, when a low end socket 1366 (Intel's enthusiast platform) board from Asus cost me 181€... just sayin'
The whole point is its stock.
The prices on these newer boards are getting ridiculous though
Board price is Good, it costs about same as did Athlon XP board I had around year 2000.
Inflation vs. features. Board prices are good. My original plan for 2700X system was to get this exact board. But they were not available at 2700X launch.
It even has upper M.2 slot above GPU, so heat is not blocked by it. Nor is GPU blowing hot air on your speedy SSD.
As I just found an old invoice from 2011, when a low end socket 1366 (Intel's enthusiast platform) board from Asus cost me 181€... just sayin'
Yakk
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Posted on: 06/11/2018 05:18 PM
Good review!
I finished a 2700x build recently with Taichi x470 (regular) and it was smooth building. Memory recognition is a lot easier than before, memory recognized & posted to 3200 CAS 14 on first try. Subtle RGB accents which can just be turned off. VRMs stay cool running under 24/7 80%-100% CPU utilization (it better with this setup!).
As mentioned, main M.2 stays cooler above GPU instead of cooking under it.
The AC Wi-Fi signal is good, albeit slower due to Asrock trying to save a few cents on the cheaper adapter.
Overall good, polished board, price is okay for a top end board of this class IMO.
Good review!
I finished a 2700x build recently with Taichi x470 (regular) and it was smooth building. Memory recognition is a lot easier than before, memory recognized & posted to 3200 CAS 14 on first try. Subtle RGB accents which can just be turned off. VRMs stay cool running under 24/7 80%-100% CPU utilization (it better with this setup!).
As mentioned, main M.2 stays cooler above GPU instead of cooking under it.
The AC Wi-Fi signal is good, albeit slower due to Asrock trying to save a few cents on the cheaper adapter.
Overall good, polished board, price is okay for a top end board of this class IMO.
maikai
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Posted on: 06/11/2018 08:51 PM
Just because you purchased something over priced before, does not mean its a good idea to do it again. What features exactly are we talking about that make it worth $100 more than any other version of a x470 chipset based board? Not a single thing that's what. I get it, things have always been over priced, doesn't mean that just because its been a thing, that its a good thing. I too have spent way more on motherboards then they were worth and exactly 1 year later I regretted it as practically everything on it was out dated and there were better boards for cheaper prices. Nothing on some of these boards justify the premium price markup, and I'm not only talking about this board in particular but all over priced motherboards in general. There is literally zero advantage to any of this extra nothingness which is always limited by the chipset and processor anyway. Its crazy how my opinion is getting blown out of proportion and met with such opposition, just move on. Also no one commented to the author of the review himself and I will quote here "The more I test and write about X470 though, the more the cheaper sub 150 USD/EURO board appeal to me. Really, it's pretty much all the same in baseline and tweaking performance as the defining component for your tweaking, is the processor and memory, and you can spot X470 boards at 139 USD/EURO already. So value wise this might not be the best call to make, and that is the brutal truth." But I have to explain my opinion? Move along
Just because you purchased something over priced before, does not mean its a good idea to do it again. What features exactly are we talking about that make it worth $100 more than any other version of a x470 chipset based board? Not a single thing that's what. I get it, things have always been over priced, doesn't mean that just because its been a thing, that its a good thing. I too have spent way more on motherboards then they were worth and exactly 1 year later I regretted it as practically everything on it was out dated and there were better boards for cheaper prices. Nothing on some of these boards justify the premium price markup, and I'm not only talking about this board in particular but all over priced motherboards in general. There is literally zero advantage to any of this extra nothingness which is always limited by the chipset and processor anyway. Its crazy how my opinion is getting blown out of proportion and met with such opposition, just move on. Also no one commented to the author of the review himself and I will quote here "The more I test and write about X470 though, the more the cheaper sub 150 USD/EURO board appeal to me. Really, it's pretty much all the same in baseline and tweaking performance as the defining component for your tweaking, is the processor and memory, and you can spot X470 boards at 139 USD/EURO already. So value wise this might not be the best call to make, and that is the brutal truth." But I have to explain my opinion? Move along
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Posted on: 06/11/2018 11:06 PM
I don't know if to buy those MB's @ ~200$ or just to buy cheap B350 with 4 dimm slots, normal VRM heatsink with Optical audio out (have DAC) + 2700X .
All core turbo clock is great, no real reason to manual OC, and if SLI/CF not needed then the B350 under 100$ can give you also option for tweaking, Only problem I see is the Bios update, this is main reason to buy x470 if you can't update the B350, Pluse we need more x470 ITX babys
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P.S: It's not that x470 are bad, it's just that AMD made B350 to be too good for the price.
I don't know if to buy those MB's @ ~200$ or just to buy cheap B350 with 4 dimm slots, normal VRM heatsink with Optical audio out (have DAC) + 2700X .
All core turbo clock is great, no real reason to manual OC, and if SLI/CF not needed then the B350 under 100$ can give you also option for tweaking, Only problem I see is the Bios update, this is main reason to buy x470 if you can't update the B350, Pluse we need more x470 ITX babys
.P.S: It's not that x470 are bad, it's just that AMD made B350 to be too good for the price
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Motherboard looks good. Is it worth to pay few more euros for ultimate version of this motherboard or better stick to "normal" version? I'm planning to buy this mobo soon in bundle with 2700x and 2x16GB 3200MHz ddr4. You recommend (looks almost like advertising