Wolfenstein II The New Colossus: PC graphics analysis benchmark review

Posted on: 11/05/2017 11:33 AM

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Thanks for the sunday release. any chance you can start showing off the 8700k or one of the new 6core intel cpus in the benchmarks to see if they make any difference?

1440p results seem a bit odd, in game with a 1080ti i'm almost hitting my 144hz monitor(gsync) cap, with a few dips down here and there

Posted on: 11/05/2017 11:34 AM

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Yeah, The eyecandy in this game does make Doom look like the poor cousin, especially with textures, my 1070 uses well over 7GB of frame buffer from time to time on full settings 1080p.
Great game, playing with my mouth wide open at times.
Ty Hilbert.

Posted on: 11/05/2017 11:36 AM

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Yeah, I have opted a level that is pretty harsh on the GPU, so overall results will be a notch better.

As far as Coffee lake goes, my samples are returned to the party that borrowed them. Currently, I have no access to Coffee lake due to unavailability or simply insane prices (will need to buy one).

Posted on: 11/05/2017 11:41 AM

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Yeah, I have opted a level that is pretty harsh on the GPU, so overall results will be a notch better.

As far as Coffee lake goes, my samples are returned to the party that borrowed them. Currently, I have no access to Coffee lake due to unavailability or simply insane prices (will need to buy one).

ah, no worries then! Hopefully you can find one soon. these things are selling like hot cakes. though i'd assume the differences would be within a 1-2(maybe 3)% variable anyway for most games

Posted on: 11/05/2017 12:11 PM

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and still no sli for either this or the other game.

Posted on: 11/05/2017 12:17 PM

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Yeah, I have opted a level that is pretty harsh on the GPU, so overall results will be a notch better.

As far as Coffee lake goes, my samples are returned to the party that borrowed them. Currently, I have no access to Coffee lake due to unavailability or simply insane prices (will need to buy one).

The fact that Intel no longer provides parts in Europe for reviewers to test is still hard to believe!!! How can they be so stupid!!!

Must be hard having to shell out your won money just to have the CPUs to test...

Posted on: 11/05/2017 12:25 PM

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Vulcan should be more often used....dx12 sucks compared to it and is tied to one platform, which is biggest isssue...

Posted on: 11/05/2017 12:31 PM

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Wow.. last gen cards getting hammered. Can it really be vram? 4gb cards seem choked, 8gb+ cards doing well. Is 4gb heading the way of 2gb cards so soon?

Posted on: 11/05/2017 01:06 PM

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Only when you play on "Mein Leben".

4GB still runs pretty good with Medium/High settings.

PS: I wish reviewers would stop using these exorbitantly stupid Über-settings and also throw some medium/high test runs in, for us lowly budget peasants.

Posted on: 11/05/2017 01:17 PM

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Huh so the async compute option really is missing for certain GPU models with the latest (non-beta) patch, interesting.

Image streaming can also go up a bit higher but that really taxes 4 GB GPU's to their limits since it allocates pretty much all VRAM by using a value of 4096 instead of 2048 though the improved texture clarity is nice, biggest downside of idTech6 even if it's better than idTech5 was but it takes a while for textures to stream in due to the sheer size of the texture data used so it's in little chunks at a time though overall it allows for very detailed scenes with less tiling from how I understood it, more varied texture work too but memory held back the initial idTech5 games though the overall environmental detail was pretty good even so far as I remember.

EDIT: Well perhaps not the biggest downside, but it's one of the more noticeable traits of the engine or how to say.

No OGL support in Wolf2 either, guessing idTech6.5 is leaving that behind though it would have made for some interesting API comparisons though AMD kinda trails behind in overall performance so might not have made for a good comparison for their GPU's other than showing how much more work they've put into Vulkan support heh.

Posted on: 11/05/2017 01:44 PM

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I'm glad the 'trial' version of this garbage game was available for me to try.

For the first time since I've been a pc gamer, it actually forced me by way of message, to upgrade to a specific new driver...it wouldn't let me play it without it.

Then after upgrading to it and getting to the menu, I find that the game has flickering black lines across the screen in the middle, so I google it and basically you have to play it at less than 4k to make the lines go away, which dozens of people reported in forums.

Then I finally load the game and find that the in game vsync still doesn't work, just like the new order.

Then I force it in nvcp and find that this game is so broken that even forcing it in the exact driver the game tells you to use, vsync doesn't work and also doesn't fix the black lines in the middle of the screen.

After googling around and reading various forums about how many problems this dumpster fire of a game has, I uninstalled it, and will never bother again. Glad for the demo, I would have been furious if I had paid for it, and reading hilberts problems....this game is clearly half baked.

Posted on: 11/05/2017 03:05 PM

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I need to update you guys, I havge gtx970 and its NOT TRUTH this card cant handle the game. Everything depends on ONE setting and that is IMAGE STREAMING, which is basicaly a amount of cache used/memory pool size, it has not influence on texture quality etc, same as in games like Resident Evil and other modern games.

I play on ultra, 1200p, and IMAGE STREAMING on HIGH and 60 fps LOCKED. I dont like the metodology used here (and everywhere on net) - because if I decided according to that, I would have thought my card wont cut it. But it does, no problem. So, if you have 3,5gb VRAM as me, just set this one thing to high, rest leave at ultra preset and you will be golden (even with my FX8300 at 4ghz - its more than enough)

This game is EXTREMELY well optimized and I want ppl to know it.

PS: If I set image streaming higher than to "HIGH" fps drops a lot to 40fps range. Everything above HIGH will totally overload your card memory (and RAM as well if you dont have more than 8gb)

PSS: This is not a hate towards HH, just a notice. I understand he doesnt have a time to fiddle with each setting and find the reasons behind lacklucter perf at ultra settings...

PSSS: Beth should have just remove this setting and let it choose automatically! It just creates confusion and bad perf for ppl who dont have a time to f with settings!

PSSSS: contrary to doom, on my setup the Deffered rendering (Vulkan) really increases performance and never decreases it, I play with Deffered ON and its great. In doom, DX11 was better choice. So they even improved this aspec! HEIL!!! HEIL!!! HEIL!!

Posted on: 11/05/2017 05:00 PM

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The game runs very nice even on my old FX 8350 at 1080p and Ultra settings. These old FX cpu's love Vulkan. I am hitting around 120 fps with some ups and downs. I loved the game. I will play it again soon.

Posted on: 11/05/2017 05:34 PM

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*cough*...Most likely, it means very low yields coming out of Intel for these cpus thus far...hardly surprising, I should think.

Posted on: 11/05/2017 05:39 PM

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I thought I saw a post in which someone spoke of a "demo"...I can't find one. Only thing I've seen available are cut scenes (which some people now call "demos" for some weird reason)--which would tell me nothing at all about the gameplay itself. Since HH found the game to be fairly buggy, I wouldn't be surprised to find that an actual installable, playable demo was not available. But...? Appreciate any info...!

Posted on: 11/05/2017 05:46 PM

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Wow, nvidia cards are really trash in this game, due to Vulkan probably, AMD has a huge lead here.

Posted on: 11/05/2017 06:09 PM

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Some of AMDs own cards are trash in this game (Fiji). Furyx is behind RX470 at all resolutions.

Posted on: 11/05/2017 07:10 PM

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I think it was more they just wanted the product out, paper launch. from talking to retailers it seems they will be getting shipments every month till all needs are met. Mind you this is from UK retrailers, i cannot speak for everywhere

Posted on: 11/05/2017 09:05 PM

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Hilbert, don't take this the wrong way, and maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it almost seems like you're afraid to like this game so as not to offend the extreme minority that are white supremacists who are angry that this game destroys Nazis, as the Wolfenstein series has ALWAYS done. Also, you may want to pass on a subjective review of a game genre that just isn't your cup of tea; maybe only do the benchmarking.

I'm not an FPS gamer, I really wish this was a TPS, but I'm going to buy it just to support the publisher for not backing away from what they've always done and saying yeah, it's anti-nazi/hate. I also want to support them for going Vulkan and supporting AMD who has changed the industry this year to the benefit of consumers. Vega a failure, 1070ti say maybe you should rethink that son.

Anyway, other than that, decent review though I'm not seeing all the bugs in the voluminous excellent reviews from others.

Posted on: 11/05/2017 09:55 PM

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No mate, you are seeing that wrong. It's simply not my type of game, but to anyone who likes the genre, that's totally fine and props to the devs/software house that makes it. It is a ballsy title.

The disclaimer was there as we have a lot of readers under 17, with the Nazi theme and scrutinizing painful intro with the dog and let's say the beheading moment, I felt there was a need for that disclaimer.

Posted on: 11/05/2017 10:13 PM

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Fair enough. Well said.

Posted on: 11/05/2017 10:23 PM

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The game has some shocking material so nothing wrong with a disclaimer, though in my own opinion a few older games went farther than what this game does to say nothing of some of the movies released, particularly some of the 70's and 80's stuff before all these regulations and restrictions came into place.

But for someone who's expecting something like Call of Duty with perhaps some small blood effects the stronger gore and maybe more importantly the political and social statements in the game might come across as a bit strong so I can understand if some players feel a bit uneasy about certain scenes.

Even for the gore effects through the regular game that ending sequence is dialed up a bit further, sure Soldier of Fortune 1 and 2 kinda went to extremes with their gore system years ago but the new visual tech in modern games is a bit different and makes for a more realistic presentation - even if this is a pre-rendered cutscene though it is using the game assets instead of being fully CGI.


As for under 17 well while it perhaps does not apply to these forums I'm pretty certain there's probably players far younger than that, those age ratings on the box tend to go ignored sadly, for a variety of reasons.


EDIT: Though that said while the game tries it also falls flat a bit though this is likely intended but the Nazi's come across more as cartoon villains in how extreme they are presented and sometimes even comedic in certain scenes.

Mr. milkshake man and alpha to not spoil things too much, as two examples.
(To say nothing of the dialogue between characters on both sides and the letters and stuff you find.)


But this is about how the game runs (Or doesn't, driver issue perhaps? Game could do with a patch or two further too though.) and not the discussion of the story and setting as such so probably best to get back to that as to not derail the thread entirely.

Posted on: 11/06/2017 04:11 AM

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I what to just say my fx 6350 and R9 380 run the game at 1080p great on Win 10 and my Fx 8350 and RX 480 run great on Win 8.1 on 17.11.1 Driver

Posted on: 11/06/2017 04:48 AM

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Hilbert, don't take this the wrong way, and maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it almost seems like you're afraid to like this game so as not to offend the extreme minority that are white supremacists who are angry that this game destroys Nazis, as the Wolfenstein series has ALWAYS done. Also, you may want to pass on a subjective review of a game genre that just isn't your cup of tea; maybe only do the benchmarking.

I'm not an FPS gamer, I really wish this was a TPS, but I'm going to buy it just to support the publisher for not backing away from what they've always done and saying yeah, it's anti-nazi/hate. I also want to support them for going Vulkan and supporting AMD who has changed the industry this year to the benefit of consumers. Vega a failure, 1070ti say maybe you should rethink that son.

Anyway, other than that, decent review though I'm not seeing all the bugs in the voluminous excellent reviews from others.

I think the reason that people are upset and I can only speak for myself, is that the game goes to great lengths to conflate white Americans with neo-nazis. Although I don't support Trump, some people have taken the position that a white American who does support Trump is automatically an "alt-right neo-nazi." As far as I know, this is new territory for Wolfenstein. You see, the picture they are trying to paint is that your typical White American would roll over and love their new Nazi leaders if they had taken over. This was taken from The Verge, emphasis is mine.

"Blazkowicz’s father, a once-struggling Texas businessman who seethes with a familiar strain of angry white masculinity, is Wolfenstein’s archetypal American collaborator. A cruel and bigoted domestic abuser who thrives under the Nazi regime, he marries a Jewish woman for her money, beats her for protecting their son, and later hands her over to the Nazis. During an interactive flashback, he forces a young Blazkowicz — and by extension, the player — to shoot his own dog as punishment for befriending a black girl."

I don't know about you, but this certainly doesn't describe me, although I personally experienced strangers attempting to fit me into their hateful mold.

What is most angering about all this neo-nazi talk and Trump not condemning or condemning them too slowly is that it really is a moot point. Why is it a moot point? Because the American government brought 1000's of actual nazi scientists into the USA after WW2 and gave them comfy government jobs and didn't punish them at all. No, we said as long as they do their inhuman research for us then we are okay with it. It's called Operation Paperclip and it's documented fact, but you'll never hear about that. You'll never hear about the horrifying research that was done in the name of "science" or where NASA came from.

While I understand that this is a tech forum, this particular videogame is hammering on a particular group of people(White Americans, not Neo-Nazis) that happens to makeup a large part of it's intended market. So, I do believe it's a valid discussion in that regard. When Machinegames and Bethesda stop making politicized games, then we can go back to non-politicized tech forums.

Posted on: 11/06/2017 08:49 AM

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"Another complaint about the game ... is that it quite easily eats away 55 GB of your expensive SSD space."

Well, that size brings all the graphics goodies! It must amaze the devs to be dinged for that on Guru3D ;-).

There's a lot to be said about this game. For one thing, it looks great and plays "fine" on a GTX 770 w 4GB, at 2560x1440. I probably have medium settings and didn't check FPS, so that's all subjective, but there it is. No crashes after a few hours with it.

Re the Nazis - the evil of that regime cannot be overstated. Even overstating it can't overstate it. So I'm loving a game that gives it to them in spades. And gives it to anyone who ever thought like them. Kudos to Bethesda, and incidentally to the Germans on staff who helped make this so hard-hitting. And while I normally dislike games with much story line, the writing here is actually good - sometimes great. I'm very impressed.