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Windows 8.1 vs 10 graphics performance review
Posted by: on: 07/30/2015 06:56 PM [
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In this small article we'll have a look at Windows 8.1 vs 10 graphics performance with the help of regular benchmarks and FCAT resutls. We will use both a GeForce GTX 980 Ti and radeon R9 Fury.
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ruiner13
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Posted on: 07/30/2015 07:27 PM
Thanks for the info, Hilbert. Are you seeing any of the SLI related memory problems that people have been reporting in forums? The single-card tests don't show any difference compared to Win8, but I wonder if multi-GPU setups show any different behaviors...
Thanks for the info, Hilbert. Are you seeing any of the SLI related memory problems that people have been reporting in forums? The single-card tests don't show any difference compared to Win8, but I wonder if multi-GPU setups show any different behaviors...
Asgardi
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Posted on: 07/30/2015 07:27 PM
No surprises there as its the same code running on both systems. The differences are only in the Modern app side. Its the OS itself which is way faster and better than W7. When games start using the new APIs (DX12 among others), we start seeing the benefits.
No surprises there as its the same code running on both systems. The differences are only in the Modern app side. Its the OS itself which is way faster and better than W7. When games start using the new APIs (DX12 among others), we start seeing the benefits.
scoter man1
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Posted on: 07/30/2015 07:37 PM
Maybe this is a dumb request/statement but it'd be kind of sweet to see Win 7 up in those charts too.
Maybe this is a dumb request/statement but it'd be kind of sweet to see Win 7 up in those charts too.
Bassarnis
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Posted on: 07/30/2015 07:44 PM
I didn't notice any memory issues with my sli setup apart from a wierd thing. MSI afterburner reported that during gta V gameplay, my Vram usage on my 4GB cards went up to 5.7GB (?)
Thanks for the info, Hilbert. Are you seeing any of the SLI related memory problems that people have been reporting in forums? The single-card tests don't show any difference compared to Win8, but I wonder if multi-GPU setups show any different behaviors...
I didn't notice any memory issues with my sli setup apart from a wierd thing. MSI afterburner reported that during gta V gameplay, my Vram usage on my 4GB cards went up to 5.7GB (?)
Agonist
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Posted on: 07/30/2015 07:50 PM
I havent had any issues at all myself.
No memory problems.
What memory problems are you referring too?
Honestly, SLI feels just a bit smoother on Win 10.
Games feel smoother as well.
In the AVP benchmark, I was 5 fps faster on Win 10 with no OC on the cards vs an oc on the cards in Win 8.1.
153.2 vs 148.6.
With an OC, I got 162 in Win 10. Exact same settings for both OS.
And I ran the benchmark 3 times. and there were all 1 fps within each other.
Thanks for the info, Hilbert. Are you seeing any of the SLI related memory problems that people have been reporting in forums? The single-card tests don't show any difference compared to Win8, but I wonder if multi-GPU setups show any different behaviors...
I havent had any issues at all myself.
No memory problems.
What memory problems are you referring too?
Honestly, SLI feels just a bit smoother on Win 10.
Games feel smoother as well.
In the AVP benchmark, I was 5 fps faster on Win 10 with no OC on the cards vs an oc on the cards in Win 8.1.
153.2 vs 148.6.
With an OC, I got 162 in Win 10. Exact same settings for both OS.
And I ran the benchmark 3 times. and there were all 1 fps within each other.
Evildead666
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Posted on: 07/30/2015 07:53 PM
Thanks a lot Hilbert!
This answers many questions, and I won't be rushing to Win10.
Thanks a lot Hilbert!
This answers many questions, and I won't be rushing to Win10.
red6joker
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Posted on: 07/30/2015 08:00 PM
Well I am glad I am waiting a few months to upgrade to 10. Waiting for it to mature seems like the best idea.
Well I am glad I am waiting a few months to upgrade to 10. Waiting for it to mature seems like the best idea.
ruiner13
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Posted on: 07/30/2015 08:11 PM
I havent had any issues at all myself.
No memory problems.
What memory problems are you referring too?
Honestly, SLI feels just a bit smoother on Win 10.
Games feel smoother as well.
In the AVP benchmark, I was 5 fps faster on Win 10 with no OC on the cards vs an oc on the cards in Win 8.1.
153.2 vs 148.6.
With an OC, I got 162 in Win 10. Exact same settings for both OS.
And I ran the benchmark 3 times. and there were all 1 fps within each other.
It may just be certain games, like BF4. That's why I was asking. Here's the response from ManuelG on geforce forums. Sounds like there's an acknowledgement of some sort of issue, just don't know how extensive.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/860152/geforce-drivers/official-windows-10-353-62-game-ready-display-driver-feedback-thread-7-29-15-/post/4617242/#4617242
I havent had any issues at all myself.
No memory problems.
What memory problems are you referring too?
Honestly, SLI feels just a bit smoother on Win 10.
Games feel smoother as well.
In the AVP benchmark, I was 5 fps faster on Win 10 with no OC on the cards vs an oc on the cards in Win 8.1.
153.2 vs 148.6.
With an OC, I got 162 in Win 10. Exact same settings for both OS.
And I ran the benchmark 3 times. and there were all 1 fps within each other.
It may just be certain games, like BF4. That's why I was asking. Here's the response from ManuelG on geforce forums. Sounds like there's an acknowledgement of some sort of issue, just don't know how extensive.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/860152/geforce-drivers/official-windows-10-353-62-game-ready-display-driver-feedback-thread-7-29-15-/post/4617242/#4617242
erkki82
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Posted on: 07/30/2015 08:58 PM
Would really love to see some SLI benchmarks and with some FCAT of course.
If it makes any differences to Win 7 or Win 8.1.
Would really love to see some SLI benchmarks and with some FCAT of course.
If it makes any differences to Win 7 or Win 8.1.
Chillin
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Posted on: 07/30/2015 09:01 PM
Haha wow, where are all those "Wait for Windows 10 and you'll see the AMD difference" cats at now?
But hey, keep believing in the magical driver/OS fairy.
Haha wow, where are all those "Wait for Windows 10 and you'll see the AMD difference" cats at now?
But hey, keep believing in the magical driver/OS fairy.
Loophole35
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Posted on: 07/30/2015 09:01 PM
Looks like no magic sauce for the Fury in W10. Glad that myth has been busted. Now to see if the DX12 will be magic for AMD only myth gets debunked soon.
Looks like no magic sauce for the Fury in W10. Glad that myth has been busted. Now to see if the DX12 will be magic for AMD only myth gets debunked soon.
Agonist
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Posted on: 07/30/2015 09:02 PM
It may just be certain games, like BF4. That's why I was asking. Here's the response from ManuelG on geforce forums. Sounds like there's an acknowledgement of some sort of issue, just don't know how extensive.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/860152/geforce-drivers/official-windows-10-353-62-game-ready-display-driver-feedback-thread-7-29-15-/post/4617242/#4617242
Thanks for the link. I have not experienced anything like that myself.
In fact, in Win 10, my vram ususage is 100mb less and 250mb avg less on system ram.
It may just be certain games, like BF4. That's why I was asking. Here's the response from ManuelG on geforce forums. Sounds like there's an acknowledgement of some sort of issue, just don't know how extensive.
https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/860152/geforce-drivers/official-windows-10-353-62-game-ready-display-driver-feedback-thread-7-29-15-/post/4617242/#4617242
Thanks for the link. I have not experienced anything like that myself.
In fact, in Win 10, my vram ususage is 100mb less and 250mb avg less on system ram.
ruiner13
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Posted on: 07/30/2015 09:14 PM
Thanks for the link. I have not experienced anything like that myself.
In fact, in Win 10, my vram ususage is 100mb less and 250mb avg less on system ram.
Do you happen to play BF4? Good to know it isn't affecting everyone. Still makes me nervous to update my machine with 2x780s until I see more data points
Thanks for the link. I have not experienced anything like that myself.
In fact, in Win 10, my vram ususage is 100mb less and 250mb avg less on system ram.
Do you happen to play BF4? Good to know it isn't affecting everyone. Still makes me nervous to update my machine with 2x780s until I see more data points
OnnA
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Posted on: 07/30/2015 11:24 PM
On that particular x8/16 system spec as you have there is no significant gain.
But on My system there is ;-)
I've got +7-14FPS is every game i'm playing in Win_X
In pCars i'll have solid 55-65FPS experience in Utra/High Shadows Med and Smoke Low in 1792:1344 85Hz -> in comparison on Win 8.1 MCe i was playing without Smoke and shadows on Low to get similar FPS.
So gain is Great on AMD CPU's i think
On that particular x8/16 system spec as you have there is no significant gain.
But on My system there is ;-)
I've got +7-14FPS is every game i'm playing in Win_X
In pCars i'll have solid 55-65FPS experience in Utra/High Shadows Med and Smoke Low in 1792:1344 85Hz -> in comparison on Win 8.1 MCe i was playing without Smoke and shadows on Low to get similar FPS.
So gain is Great on AMD CPU's i think
Chillin
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Posted on: 07/30/2015 11:29 PM
On that particular x8/16 system spec as you have there is no significant gain.
But on My system there is ;-)
I've got +7-14FPS is every game i'm playing in Win_X
In pCars i'll have solid 55-65FPS experience in Utra/High Shadows Med and Smoke Low in 1792:1344 85Hz -> in comparison on Win 8.1 MCe i was playing without Smoke and shadows on Low to get similar FPS.
So gain is Great on AMD CPU's i think
Clean install Win 8.1, run the benchmarks. Clean install Win10, run the benchmarks.
I'll be damned if you get something outside the margin of error then.
On that particular x8/16 system spec as you have there is no significant gain.
But on My system there is ;-)
I've got +7-14FPS is every game i'm playing in Win_X
In pCars i'll have solid 55-65FPS experience in Utra/High Shadows Med and Smoke Low in 1792:1344 85Hz -> in comparison on Win 8.1 MCe i was playing without Smoke and shadows on Low to get similar FPS.
So gain is Great on AMD CPU's i think
Clean install Win 8.1, run the benchmarks. Clean install Win10, run the benchmarks.
I'll be damned if you get something outside the margin of error then.
cyclone3d
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Posted on: 07/30/2015 11:34 PM
Unless it has changed, MSI Afterburner reports the combined VRAM usage when running in SLI or CF.
So that would mean that each card was using 2.85GB of VRAM.
I didn't notice any memory issues with my sli setup apart from a wierd thing. MSI afterburner reported that during gta V gameplay, my Vram usage on my 4GB cards went up to 5.7GB (?)
Unless it has changed, MSI Afterburner reports the combined VRAM usage when running in SLI or CF.
So that would mean that each card was using 2.85GB of VRAM.
leszy
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Posted on: 07/31/2015 01:33 AM
Deleted. Probably fake results in the link or wrong methodology. Sorry.
Deleted. Probably fake results in the link or wrong methodology. Sorry.
---TK---
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Posted on: 07/31/2015 02:23 AM
Unless it has changed, MSI Afterburner reports the combined VRAM usage when running in SLI or CF.
So that would mean that each card was using 2.85GB of VRAM.
In sli msi ab shows each cards vram usage, it's been like that for as long as I remember, likely years.
Unless it has changed, MSI Afterburner reports the combined VRAM usage when running in SLI or CF.
So that would mean that each card was using 2.85GB of VRAM.
In sli msi ab shows each cards vram usage, it's been like that for as long as I remember, likely years.
eXXon
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Posted on: 07/31/2015 03:13 AM
These results are a bit inaccurate. I think you'll see a bigger difference with an average system (i.e. an i5/8320 coupled with a mid range GPU), IMO.
These results are a bit inaccurate. I think you'll see a bigger difference with an average system (i.e. an i5/8320 coupled with a mid range GPU), IMO.
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Posted on: 07/31/2015 03:20 AM
Why would you see a difference with an "average" system?
Nice article, glad to see no performance degradation in DX11 games which at the moment is the most important thing.
Why would you see a difference with an "average" system?
Nice article, glad to see no performance degradation in DX11 games which at the moment is the most important thing.
theoneofgod
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Posted on: 07/31/2015 04:20 AM
Why?
These results are a bit inaccurate. I think you'll see a bigger difference with an average system (i.e. an i5/8320 coupled with a mid range GPU), IMO.
Why?
Loophole35
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Posted on: 07/31/2015 04:34 AM
Because it's not the results that he wanted to see.
Why?
Because it's not the results that he wanted to see.
theoneofgod
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Posted on: 07/31/2015 04:36 AM
I didn't expect DX11 improvements with WDDM 2.0, the fact that AMD made CPU overhead optimizations first on the Windows 10 driver was interesting but it wasn't limited to WDDM 2.0 but WDDM 1.3 and lower.
It's good to see they didn't make things worse
Because it's not the results that he wanted to see.
I didn't expect DX11 improvements with WDDM 2.0, the fact that AMD made CPU overhead optimizations first on the Windows 10 driver was interesting but it wasn't limited to WDDM 2.0 but WDDM 1.3 and lower.
It's good to see they didn't make things worse
iTile
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Posted on: 07/31/2015 06:58 AM
says a lot..
says a lot..
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Thanks Hilbert